#74 by dynamaso Thursday, June 16, 2005 Just what crime would you charge them with? Found guilty? Of what? I'm sure there are international laws, therefore international crimes they could be charged with. But locking people up without charge or trial is not the way to go, IMO.

Nope! Can you name one? Betcha can't!

But I will always jump on arrogance when I see it and would expect the same treatment should I be so arrogant myself

--Ironically, Arrogance is one of the major qualities that helped most nations in the world survive, with arrogance comes confidence,comes,________,etc...(at least thats what i've heard...probably wrong...but hell,its been one hell of a week...)










R.I.P.
Justin Gentry
1976-2005

"May your wings carry you to the sweetist regions of heaven, so that you may taste eternal happiness." --Unknown

But I will always jump on arrogance when I see it and would expect the same treatment should I be so arrogant myself

--Ironically, Arrogance is one of the major qualities that helped most nations in the world survive, with arrogance comes confidence,comes,________,etc...(at least thats what i've heard...probably wrong...but hell,its been one hell of a week...)











R.I.P.
Justin Gentry
1976-2005

"May your wings carry you to the sweetist regions of heaven, so that you may taste eternal happiness." --Unknown

Lucas,

Arrogance is one of the major qualities that helped most nations in the world survive

To a degree, I understand what you are saying, but I don't support this view. Overt arrogance is just an invitation for someone else to shoot you down (I mean this in a purely rhetorical sense, of course).

Pardon my ignorance, but who is Justin Gentry?

Drmiler,

Can you name one? Betcha can't!

Yeah, okay, I didn't say I KNEW there were any applicable charges, but surely, after the years pursing war criminals of all sorts, there would have to be some charge that would fit the bill. I would be very surprised if there isn't, to be quite honest.

To a degree, I understand what you are saying, but I don't support this view. Overt arrogance is just an invitation for someone else to shoot you down (I mean this in a purely rhetorical sense, of course). Pardon my ignorance, but who is Justin Gentry?

--Thinking about it, i don't think arrogance is the right word..oh and Justin Gentry was a close friend of mine who died Sunday of Diabetes...it was quite a shock... (here is the link to a thread i posted about him : http://lucasbailey.joeuser.com/index.asp?aid=78515 )

Drmiler, Can you name one? Betcha can't! Yeah, okay, I didn't say I KNEW there were any applicable charges, but surely, after the years pursing war criminals of all sorts, there would have to be some charge that would fit the bill. I would be very surprised if there isn't, to be quite honest.

"I" can't find any. See terrorism is a relatively new term. Think about this for a moment. When were the last "war crime tribunals"? WW2? They had no definition back then. Hell the Geneva accords haven't even caught up to terrorist acts yet.

I could respond to a lot of points that were raised in this discussion, but I will respect the original post and not get political (as I'm sure it would, as any questioning of America/Bush is immediately jumped on and it soon resorts to attacks, rather than discussion)

Some Americans really do scare me from reading around the Joe User sites for the last couple of months!

Arrogance and doing whatever you want to do is not admirable in either a person or a nation but frequently the said person or nation are the ones who find this the hardest to see

Think about this for a moment. When were the last "war crime tribunals"?

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will) but was Milosevic not tried for war crimes recently, due to the conflict in the former Yugoslavia?

#84 by The Original Vune Friday, June 17, 2005 Think about this for a moment. When were the last "war crime tribunals"? Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will) but was Milosevic not tried for war crimes recently, due to the conflict in the former Yugoslavia?

I went and looked and your correct. But I was unable to find any convictions on him after 30 min of googling. Also what he was being tried for could not be considered "terrorist" acts. So be that as it may, they still haven't come up to speed on terrorism as a war crime.

Also what he was being tried for could not be considered "terrorist" acts. So be that as it may, they still haven't come up to speed on terrorism as a war crime.

I think this is where the problem may come from, that this sort of global terrorism, that is being blurred with war, seems a new situation for which the international community is not legally prepared. Therefore the grey areas allow for the justification of things such as Gitmo, when there is a lack of a better alternative, even when it appears to be wrong.

These guys can't be in some "legal limbo" they have to belong somewhere to be tried/convicted etc. (whatever you want to call it)

#86 by The Original Vune Friday, June 17, 2005 Also what he was being tried for could not be considered "terrorist" acts. So be that as it may, they still haven't come up to speed on terrorism as a war crime. I think this is where the problem may come from, that this sort of global terrorism, that is being blurred with war, seems a new situation for which the international community is not legally prepared. Therefore the grey areas allow for the justification of things such as Gitmo, when there is a lack of a better alternative, even when it appears to be wrong. These guys can't be in some "legal limbo" they have to belong somewhere to be tried/convicted etc. (whatever you want to call it)

And I agree 100%! However, until someone changes the rules or writes new definitions for war crimes so that we can try them....they need to stay right where they're at.

went and looked and your correct. But I was unable to find any convictions on him after 30 min of googling. Also what he was being tried for could not be considered "terrorist" acts. So be that as it may, they still haven't come up to speed on terrorism as a war crime.

--And thats the international crime court for ya...the man ordered the murdering of thousands and yet they can't convit him....

--And thats the international crime court for ya...the man ordered the murdering of thousands and yet they can't convit him....

It is Europeans trying him after all..........

It is Europeans trying him after all..........

And people say that Americans are arrogant and xenophobic......

78 by Lucas Bailey Thursday, June 16, 2005

but hell,its been one hell of a week...) R.I.P. Justin Gentry 1976-2005

I know this will not help much, lucas, but death is the final destination of us all, and the older one gets the more they experence the death of loved ones and friends.

"I" can't find any. See terrorism is a relatively new term. Think about this for a moment. When were the last "war crime tribunals"? WW2? They had no definition back then. Hell the Geneva accords haven't even caught up to terrorist acts yet.

the germans in ww2 were tried for crimes against humanity, war crimes, but they were all p.o.w.'s not terrorist fighting in civies.

84 by The Original Vune Friday, June 17, 2005

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will) but was Milosevic not tried for war crimes recently, due to the conflict in the former Yugoslavia?

been 4 years and milosevic is still on trial. 4 years!

89 by Dr. Guy Friday, June 17, 2005

--And thats the international crime court for ya...the man ordered the murdering of thousands and yet they can't convit him.... It is Europeans trying him after all..........

ah yes the world court... what a bunch of incompatents.

90 by The Original Vune Friday, June 17, 2005

It is Europeans trying him after all.......... And people say that Americans are arrogant and xenophobic......

no more so than the rest of the worlds countries, but since it is the united states behaving like the rset of the world I am sure the charges against the states are much more impactful and real, right?

Lucas????? I am sorry for your loss.

I know this will not help much, lucas, but death is the final destination of us all, and the older one gets the more they experence the death of loved ones and friends

--I know, but he wasn't even thirty,and was engaged...it sucks...

ah yes the world court... what a bunch of incompatents

--No doubt about that...

4 years and milosevic is still on trial. 4 years!

--Anyone wanna bet on 8 years until he's convited,thats if he is...

It is Europeans trying him after all..........

--Yep, and we know what they're good for....liebrating... (Just Kidding)

no more so than the rest of the worlds countries, but since it is the united states behaving like the rset of the world I am sure the charges against the states are much more impactful and real, right

--

Charge 1: Liberating a despoticly ruled country

Charge 2: Bringing down a tyrant (kinda similar to #1)

Charge 3: Bringing freedom to a repressed country (also kinda similar to #1,and #2)

--yep pretty impactfull (JUST KIDDING, being sarcastic)

Charge 1: Liberating a despoticly ruled country Charge 2: Bringing down a tyrant (kinda similar to #1) Charge 3: Bringing freedom to a repressed country (also kinda similar to #1,and #2)

4: Invading the country despite international law

5: Invading on false pretences

6: Not having a seeming plan for short-term stability, thereby creating a greatly unstable society

7: Creating a hot bed for international terrorism

99 by The Original Vune Saturday, June 18, 2005

4: Invading the country despite international law

how many resolutions telling saddam to disarm? and the int. com. did nothing.

5: Invading on false pretences, the admiistration did NOT know the intell was bad. get a grip.

6: Not having a seeming plan for short-term stability, thereby creating a greatly unstable society

agreed. bad planning.

7: Creating a hot bed for international terrorism

pleaseeeeeeee that so called hot bed was already there, saddams support to homicide bombers, the camp america destroyed in Iraq that was teaching terror tactics.

And people say that Americans are arrogant and xenophobic......

NOt everyone can be so blessed.