There seems to be a general feeling on here that these guys are eithe all guilty of some crime that they can not be charged with because they are not criminals in the conventional sense my mind's just given way!

discuss what do we do with these killers and terrorist

My vote would be to start seperating the ones who are terrorists and killers from the ones who are not and then start dealing with them!

I agree that the situation is somewhat complex but if you are accusing someone of something then surely they are innocent or guilty, maybe not in a legal sense but surely it is something that has to be established in a moral sense

There seems to be a general feeling on here that these guys are eithe all guilty of some crime that they can not be charged with because they are not criminals in the conventional sense my mind's just given way!

You are correct. There is no law in the civilian courts to try them on since their crimes were committed in a foreign country.

They are guilty of being civilian combatants in a war zone. In other words, they backed the wrong horse. SO they are not POWs. They wore no uniform of any sovereign nation, yet they tried to kill American Soldiers. That may not be a big deal to you, but most Americans find that to be a capital offense. The only difference is that it was not carried out on the battlefield.

Can you say dead men walking?

They are guilty of being civilian combatants in a war zone

Do we know for certain that every single person being held at Gitmo is?

Do we know for certain that every single person being held at Gitmo is?

Well, lets see. Did we go into downtown Ridyah and look for them? No. Did we pick them up when we were fighting the taliban in Afganistan? Yes.

Can you connect the dots?

#50 by The Original Vune Thursday, June 16, 2005 --Sadly...IMO,those we know are definantly terrorists, I say we gas them...they,IMO, have given up there rights as humans when they helped murder others... And if you gassed them, thereby killing them, that would be a good solution how? Surely you are becoming what you are trying to fight?

So if we had killed them on the field of battle, would it then be a different story?

um lucas , watch "reality" tv and then do the complete opposite.. that's reality. lololo

--I was being sarcastic...

And if you gassed them, thereby killing them, that would be a good solution how? Surely you are becoming what you are trying to fight?

--If "becoming" what they are ends even a slight bit of there threat...then ok...IMO...

I know people will argue they are not POWs but they have to be something. If they can't be treated as criminals, and also not treated as POWs then what are they to be treated as?

They are to be treated as the terrorists as they are. Why people go out of their way to defend these "people" I just don't get. These "people" would kill you in an instant because you are an infidel. How about we take them out of Gitmo and ship them to your house so you can keep an eye on them?

They are to be treated as the terrorists as they are.

no, they are being treated a lot better.  3 hots and a flop is not bad when it costs you nothing.

Reply By: The Original VunePosted: Thursday, June 16, 2005You know maso I've asked this question before and have not got an answer yet. Just what crime would you charge them with? Found guilty? Of what? Get it right old man. War does NOT go hand in hand with the criminal justice system.But are there not international standards for how prisoners of war are to be treated?

how about ummmmmm treating them like OH TERRORIST.?

Reply By: Lucas BaileyPosted: Thursday, June 16, 2005um lucas , watch "reality" tv and then do the complete opposite.. that's reality. lololo--I was being sarcastic...

really?????????????????/ says moderateman out sarcastic lucas.

59 by Island Dog Thursday, June 16, 2005

They are to be treated as the terrorists as they are. Why people go out of their way to defend these "people" I just don't get

simple dog, because any and everything AMERICA does is wrong, justr like bush is wrong, our way of life is wrong, our people are wrong remember hating america is a way of mlife for some {most} but then I can see why, there is not a dman thing they can do but whine wring hands and complain.

57 by drmiler Thursday, June 16, 2005

So if we had killed them on the field of battle, would it then be a different story?

nope THEN someone would complain about the body count, america always wrong {till your sorry ass needs her}

60 by Dr. Guy Thursday, June 16, 2005

They are to be treated as the terrorists as they are. no, they are being treated a lot better. 3 hots and a flop is not bad when it costs you nothing

america spends more money per meal for terrorist than our own fighting men, because of their special dietary need, I say feed em pig 3 times a day, if they do not wanna eat pig let em starve.

Ok People Bottom Line here.......America Rules, We babbysit the whole fucking world, and even when we are right, EVERYTHING we do is wrong....so I dont see how come we care anymore....

Check My political Machine Site: Forums, Chat, Multiplayer Ect....

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america spends more money per meal for terrorist than our own fighting men, because of their special dietary need, I say feed em pig 3 times a day, if they do not wanna eat pig let em starve.

Coming from you, that is torture!

Reply By: Crashdude220Posted: Thursday, June 16, 2005Ok People Bottom Line here.......America Rules, We babbysit the whole fucking world, and even when we are right, EVERYTHING we do is wrong....so I dont see how come we care anymore....Check My political Machine Site: Forums, Chat, Multiplayer Ect....ww.thepoliticalmachine.cjb.net

you are right on the money, but if your going to advertize start a blog here, wade right in.

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Thursday, June 16, 2005america spends more money per meal for terrorist than our own fighting men, because of their special dietary need, I say feed em pig 3 times a day, if they do not wanna eat pig let em starve.Coming from you, that is torture!

let me see eat pig or die, I would eat pig, but then I am not a religious nutjob that wants to destroy the world.

let me see eat pig or die, I would eat pig, but then I am not a religious nutjob that wants to destroy the world.

No, you are a good man.  let them eat pig!

70 by Dr. Guy Thursday, June 16, 2005

No, you are a good man. let them eat pig!

3 times a day too, btw it burns my ass we spend more money per meal for these murdering pigs than our troops.

Being on the Political Machine I thought it was funny when the original post asked for this to be a practical discussion, but held my laughs until reaching the end where it has become nothing more than sniping.

On the question of whether Gitmo should be shut down: yes, it should. If you care about our troops you have to recognize that Gitmo has become more of an asset to Iraqi insurgent/terrorist recruiting than it serves as a benefit to American security.

What to do? Put them on trial.

Try them for what? If we have grounds to hold them, we have grounds to try them. The administration has shown itself to be very creative, I'm sure they can come up with something. After all they used their creativity to create the situation at Gitmo that's biting us in the a$$ right now.

If you don't like the fact they are being fed better than our troops contribute to the discussion of how to get them out of there.

And no, killing them would only serve as further proof to the fundamentalists that our country is as evil as they say it is.

Holding them indefinitely is not an option, period.

72 by 1tomot1 Thursday, June 16, 2005

Being on the Political Machine I thought it was funny when the original post asked for this to be a practical discussion, but held my laughs until reaching the end where it has become nothing more than sniping. On the question of whether Gitmo should be shut down: yes, it should. If you care about our troops you have to recognize that Gitmo has become more of an asset to Iraqi insurgent/terrorist recruiting than it serves as a benefit to American security. What to do? Put them on trial. Try them for what? If we have grounds to hold them, we have grounds to try them. The administration has shown itself to be very creative, I'm sure they can come up with something. After all they used their creativity to create the situation at Gitmo that's biting us in the a$$ right now. If you don't like the fact they are being fed better than our troops contribute to the discussion of how to get them out of there. And no, killing them would only serve as further proof to the fundamentalists that our country is as evil as they say it is. Holding them indefinitely is not an option, period.

Finally someone with a couple well thought out ideas, articulatly put forth, sir I salute you>

Just what crime would you charge them with? Found guilty? Of what?

I'm sure there are international laws, therefore international crimes they could be charged with. But locking people up without charge or trial is not the way to go, IMO.

War does NOT go hand in hand with the criminal justice system

If this is the case, then why are there nazi war criminalsstill being pursued by various organisations around the globe?

Lucas, I apologise for not reading your post fully and getting upset because I didn't. Just goes to show what can happen when one goes off half-cocked, right? (This sarcasm is directed solely at me)

Ok People Bottom Line here.......America Rules

Yeah, right. And its this sort of sentiment that sets the rest of the world's teeth on edge. I don't have a problem with being proud of who you are and where you're from but overt egotistical statements like this don't do you any favours.

Ok People Bottom Line here.......America Rules Yeah, right. And its this sort of sentiment that sets the rest of the world's teeth on edge. I don't have a problem with being proud of who you are and where you're from but overt egotistical statements like this don't do you any favours.

I know maso, but after reading bash after bash of my country It just kinda gets to me and I lash back. Not saying it's right or wrong to do, just is.

Modman,

Thanks mate. I appreciate your stance, believe me. And I don't blame you one bit for wanting to 'lash back'. I would do the same. But I will always jump on arrogance when I see it and would expect the same treatment should I be so arrogant myself.