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Open discussion, GITMO

OK NOW WHAT?

from JoeUser Forums
I have been sidelined with the flu and since I have no immune system, anything I catch lays me low.

The question I want to ask is.

OK we close gitmo, now what?

Lets try to keep politics out of this and discuss what do we do with these killers and terrorist, where do they go, home? American prisons? where, at whos expense? who is in charge of them, how do we treat them?
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Those guys would be using Tim Robbins as their BITCH within a week, and they'd be crying twice as hard for the US military to take it back over!


Nah, they'd all do a great job. After all, they're guuuards. Guuuards!
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
I say military tribunal is the way to go with them, try them sentence them and be done with it


--Sadly...IMO,those we know are definantly terrorists, I say we gas them...they,IMO, have given up there rights as humans when they helped murder others...
Sins of a Solar Empire II
Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
I say we gas them

With the gas prices these days????
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top

#29 by MasonM
Tuesday, June 14, 2005





I say we gas them

With the gas prices these days????


Heck just line up all the marines and feed them a mess o beans. The resulting gas should be "more" than sufficient.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top

#29 by MasonM
Tuesday, June 14, 2005





I say we gas them

With the gas prices these days????



Heck just line up all the marines and feed them a mess o beans. The resulting gas should be "more" than sufficient.


--*sighs and shakes his head* C'mon ya had to know what i really meant...
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Lucas BaileyPosted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005I say military tribunal is the way to go with them, try them sentence them and be done with it--Sadly...IMO,those we know are definantly terrorists, I say we gas them...they,IMO, have given up there rights as humans when they helped murder others...


gas em? death by pork farts, yeh!!!!
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Lucas BaileyPosted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005#29 by MasonM Tuesday, June 14, 2005 I say we gas them With the gas prices these days???? Heck just line up all the marines and feed them a mess o beans. The resulting gas should be "more" than sufficient. --*sighs and shakes his head* C'mon ya had to know what i really meant...


we did lucas but ya know how it is here, we just take stuff and run like crazies with it.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
we did lucas but ya know how it is here, we just take stuff and run like crazies with it


--Yeah.....I know...
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't think anyone should be locked up with out at least being charged. The very fact that citizens of other countries have been incarterated without charge, a fair trial etc contravenes every idea I have about justice. To be fair, I think the GITMO prisoners should be evaluated by a international panel and if found guilty, sent back to their own countries for trial and punishment.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top

#35 by dynamaso
Wednesday, June 15, 2005





I don't think anyone should be locked up with out at least being charged. The very fact that citizens of other countries have been incarterated without charge, a fair trial etc contravenes every idea I have about justice. To be fair, I think the GITMO prisoners should be evaluated by a international panel and if found guilty, sent back to their own countries for trial and punishment


You know maso I've asked this question before and have not got an answer yet. Just what crime would you charge them with? Found guilty? Of what? Get it right old man. War does NOT go hand in hand with the criminal justice system.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
Closed about 40 years ago.


I know, but the prison still exists. A few renovations, upgrade the security perimeter and reopen it. Still, it's probably a bad example anyway as it's probably little more than a run-down museum by now.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
#35 by dynamaso
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


don't think anyone should be locked up with out at least being charged. The very fact that citizens of other countries have been incarterated without charge, a fair trial etc contravenes every idea I have about justice. To be fair, I think the GITMO prisoners should be evaluated by a international panel and if found guilty, sent back to their own countries for trial and punishment.


nice dream maso, but not realistic.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top

#37 by latour999
Wednesday, June 15, 2005





Closed about 40 years ago.


I know, but the prison still exists. A few renovations, upgrade the security perimeter and reopen it. Still, it's probably a bad example anyway as it's probably little more than a run-down museum by now.


A few renovations? That wouldn't even begin to cover it's sorry state. Go here and view the picture. Ya gotta have quicktime installed to view.
Reply #39 from PolMach Forums Top
I say we bill France to detain them on a pig farm in switzerland..but thats just how my passive aggressive mind tics.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
but not realistic


Hmm, I think it is more realistic than

I say we gas them


for instance. This comment rankled me as it indicates an assumption of guilt without a trial, something I'm sure the American Administration would not tolerate if the shoe were on the other foot.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
The issue isn't that simple modman. Not at all. First we have to see and understand that the men and children at Gitmo have for the most part been swept up by something way beyond their control. Don't misunderstand the situations that ended with them sitting in Cuba. The naive think there was a firefight with some 'insurgents' somewhere and the enemy prisoners of war from those battles were taken for interrogation. The reality is that the US paid warlords, greedy warlords, for each 'suspect' they brought in which of course resulted in huge nets of people whether militant or civilian. I shudder to think of the horrific torture that goes on there. AbuGraib would look like a fun resort in comparison solely because there is no chance of outside influences taking advantage of the reality that occurs there. The solution, or a solution, could be to open the doors to the public in some form. Of course that would never happen but if it did, the people would find out a CHR of what goes on in the torture chambers. It's kind of ironic. Sadaam's jails became US jails. Sadaam's torture rooms became the US's torture rooms. Sadaam's evil guards became the US's evil guards. Sadaam's abuse became the US's abuse. Don't think people there don't understand that reality. They're not stupid. They see the duplicity close up.
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
for instance. This comment rankled me as it indicates an assumption of guilt without a trial, something I'm sure the American Administration would not tolerate if the shoe were on the other foot


--dynamaso, Read the entire comment...as followed

--Sadly...IMO,those we know are definantly terrorists, I say we gas them...they,IMO, have given up there rights as humans when they helped murder others...
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
children


--Could you show a link that proves there are children there...

Don't misunderstand the situations that ended with them sitting in Cuba. The naive think there was a firefight with some 'insurgents' somewhere and the enemy prisoners of war from those battles were taken for interrogation. The reality is that the US paid warlords, greedy warlords, for each 'suspect' they brought in which of course resulted in huge nets of people whether militant or civilian.


--Not all of them were the latter...there were those that were taken during firefights...
Don't think people there don't understand that reality



--Reality?...Exactly what is that these days...
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top

I know, but the prison still exists. A few renovations, upgrade the security perimeter and reopen it. Still, it's probably a bad example anyway as it's probably little more than a run-down museum by now.

It does have possibilities.  being in San fran and all, the hotbed of liberalism.

But you are correct, it is a poorly maintained museum.

Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: dynamasoPosted: Thursday, June 16, 2005but not realisticHmm, I think it is more realistic than I say we gas them


I agree, wholesale gassing is NOT on my agenda, I do not like murdering anyone anymore no matter what excuse. ok?
Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Reiki-HousePosted: Thursday, June 16, 2005The issue isn't that simple modman. Not at all. First we have to see and understand that the men and children at Gitmo have for the most part been swept up by something way beyond their control. Don't misunderstand the situations that ended with them sitting in Cuba. The naive think there was a firefight with some 'insurgents' somewhere and the enemy prisoners of war from those battles were taken for interrogation. The reality is that the US paid warlords, greedy warlords, for each 'suspect' they brought in which of course resulted in huge nets of people whether militant or civilian. I shudder to think of the horrific torture that goes on there. AbuGraib would look like a fun resort in comparison solely because there is no chance of outside influences taking advantage of the reality that occurs there. The solution, or a solution, could be to open the doors to the public in some form. Of course that would never happen but if it did, the people would find out a CHR of what goes on in the torture chambers. It's kind of ironic. Sadaam's jails became US jails. Sadaam's torture rooms became the US's torture rooms. Sadaam's evil guards became the US's evil guards. Sadaam's abuse became the US's abuse. Don't think people there don't understand that reality. They're not stupid. They see the duplicity close up.


reiki? sit down ok?

ready?

I agree, america has made many bad choices, supporting the wrong player for the wrong reasons.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Thursday, June 16, 2005I know, but the prison still exists. A few renovations, upgrade the security perimeter and reopen it. Still, it's probably a bad example anyway as it's probably little more than a run-down museum by now.It does have possibilities. being in San fran and all, the hotbed of liberalism.But you are correct, it is a poorly maintained museum.


um no thank you sanfran is 55 miles away and that is just to close for me.
Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
--Reality?...Exactly what is that these days...


um lucas , watch "reality" tv and then do the complete opposite.. that's reality. lololo
Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
--Sadly...IMO,those we know are definantly terrorists, I say we gas them...they,IMO, have given up there rights as humans when they helped murder others...


And if you gassed them, thereby killing them, that would be a good solution how? Surely you are becoming what you are trying to fight?
Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top
You know maso I've asked this question before and have not got an answer yet. Just what crime would you charge them with? Found guilty? Of what? Get it right old man. War does NOT go hand in hand with the criminal justice system.


But are there not international standards for how prisoners of war are to be treated?

I know people will argue they are not POWs but they have to be something. If they can't be treated as criminals, and also not treated as POWs then what are they to be treated as?