Open discussion, GITMO

OK NOW WHAT?

from JoeUser Forums
I have been sidelined with the flu and since I have no immune system, anything I catch lays me low.

The question I want to ask is.

OK we close gitmo, now what?

Lets try to keep politics out of this and discuss what do we do with these killers and terrorist, where do they go, home? American prisons? where, at whos expense? who is in charge of them, how do we treat them?
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
bump a lumpa, lumpa. boob a looma.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Transfer them to Ossining Maximum security prison.  See how long their precious Koran lasts then.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
#2 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, June 14, 2005


Transfer them to Ossining Maximum security prison. See how long their precious Koran lasts then.


while that is a good idea, sing sing would eat the terrorist alive and the left would complain{some the right too} while sing sing is not to cruel for americans I am sure it would cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

hmm how about reopening alcatraz?
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
what do we do with these killers and terrorists?

That's my problem right there. We don't know they are terrorists. They were picked up in Afgan ir Iraq and sent here. The governemt says they have evidence they are terrorists, but no one has seen it. I say put them before a court, give them representation, present what you have on them and then let someone impartial decide if they are a threat.

Now, I am not saying give them full legal rights as a US citizen. Maybe most people trust what the government tells them, but as we now know, intelligence can be wrong. If they are dangerous try them and lock them up. If you made a mistake and Mr. Abu was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Admit it and move on.

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Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

Now, I am not saying give them full legal rights as a US citizen. Maybe most people trust what the government tells them, but as we now know, intelligence can be wrong. If they are dangerous try them and lock them up. If you made a mistake and Mr. Abu was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Admit it and move on.


On what charges are you going to try them? Most of them have not committed an outright crime.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
My vote is an undisclosed location on Baffin Island or on Antarctica...secure, remote, and hell for anyone used to 120 degree heat.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
while that is a good idea, sing sing would eat the terrorist alive and the left would complain{some the right too} while sing sing is not to cruel for americans I am sure it would cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth.


Let them wail and moan. They asked for it. Let them reap what they sow.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
#4 by InfoGeek
Tuesday, June 14, 2005


That's my problem right there. We don't know they are terrorists


and conversly we do not know they are NOT terrorist either, most of these "gentlemen" were picked up in the afgan confict, fighting OUT OF UNIFORM which is against the much heralded geneva convention.

I say military tribunal is the way to go with them, try them sentence them and be done with it.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
5 by drmiler
Tuesday, June 14, 2005


On what charges are you going to try them? Most of them have not committed an outright crime.


how about simply trying them for fighting with no uniform on?
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
#7 by Helix the II
Tuesday, June 14, 2005


The problem is who's guilty, who's innocent, and how do we determin this well enough to ensure our safety? Imagine, a person from the prison is allowed to leave.. comes to the US.. and blows up the Great Mall of America on Independence Day, killing thousands.. and what would everybody be shouting? "Why didn't you do something about this!?" or "He should have never been let out" by the very people who demanded he go free. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation..


and there in lies the crux of the problem, while some from the left and right too want to close gitmo, if one of these monsters did what you suggest the administaration would be dragged over the dung heap for not protecting americans, damned if they do, damned if they do not. exactly.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
We should make them all promise to behave and send them home. I'm sure we could trust them to keep their word.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
12 by MasonM
Tuesday, June 14, 2005


We should make them all promise to behave and send them home. I'm sure we could trust them to keep their word.


yep I am sure they would all be happy to "swear" on a stack of bibles to behave"
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
My vote is an undisclosed location on Baffin Island or on Antarctica...secure, remote, and hell for anyone used to 120 degree heat.


I don't know if these would work. You waould have to get cooperation from the CAnadian government to open a prison on their territory. And Antarctica is also international territory. Alcatraz might be better as it is an island which is unarguably on US soil.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
You waould have to get cooperation from the CAnadian government to open a prison on their territory. And Antarctica is also international territory. Alcatraz might be better as it is an island which is unarguably on US soil.


That was actually part of my point. Location on a more international site would be better for security as well as potential international opinion. I believe (although I am not sure) we have a base on Baffin Island, which is why I mentioned it; as for Antarctica, I KNOW we have bases there. But that being said, it really was somewhat tongue in cheek.

Alcatraz? BAD idea! Located next to a large city, the potential for terrorist activities by sympathetic Muslims is FAR too great. If you're going to go with a location that is unarguably American, the Aleutians would be a better choice.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
#14 by latour999
Tuesday, June 14, 2005


I don't know if these would work. You waould have to get cooperation from the CAnadian government to open a prison on their territory. And Antarctica is also international territory. Alcatraz might be better as it is an island which is unarguably on US soil.


umm gitmo is u.s. soil just like an embassy.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
#15 by Gideon MacLeish
Tuesday, June 14, 2005




Alcatraz? BAD idea! Located next to a large city, the potential for terrorist activities by sympathetic Muslims is FAR too great. If you're going to go with a location that is unarguably American, the Aleutians would be a better choice.


but no one is adressing my other questions gid, who is in charge of them? How do we define treatemts so we do not have a bunch of unrealistic bleeding hearts crying?
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Easy. Let Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins and their other Hollywood buddies run Gitmo...it would be a way of showing support for the US. The only rules are, they couldn't RELEASE the prisoners.

Those guys would be using Tim Robbins as their BITCH within a week, and they'd be crying twice as hard for the US military to take it back over!
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Alcatraz? BAD idea! Located next to a large city, the potential for terrorist activities by sympathetic Muslims is FAR too great. If you're going to go with a location that is unarguably American, the Aleutians would be a better choice.


Yeah, probably. I was just thinking Alcatraz because they have a prison there already.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
18 by Gideon MacLeish
Tuesday, June 14, 2005


Easy. Let Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins and their other Hollywood buddies run Gitmo...it would be a way of showing support for the US. The only rules are, they couldn't RELEASE the prisoners.

Those guys would be using Tim Robbins as their BITCH within a week, and they'd be crying twice as hard for the US military to take it back


yeh great idea, get some land in hollywood and put them there, have the stars support them, great idea gid.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yeah, probably. I was just thinking Alcatraz because they have a prison there already.


well latour the rock is just a pile of ruins now, been that way for years and years, we would have to build a new super prison there , maybe charge Canada for it? lol
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
22 by stutefish
Tuesday, June 14, 2005


Nice forum post, Moderateman! It got me thinking


I read it just now and agree completely, without reservation, sighhhhhhhhh i wish i had better command of english {the written part}
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

I was just thinking Alcatraz because they have a prison there already.

Closed about 40 years ago.

Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
why not lock 'em in a building and fly a plane into it? They're into that kinda thing ya know...
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
#25 by Shovelheat
Tuesday, June 14, 2005


why not lock 'em in a building and fly a plane into it? They're into that kinda thing ya know...


good idea ,but who is going to pay for plane? fuel> pilot?