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Results for Round 2


AND THE RESULTS ARE...



-CornHuskerMac

No game submitted. Prior notice given. No penalty.

-Pndrev

Score: 475
Years: 7
Race: Thalan Empire
Character: Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
Outcome: Resignation
MV League Points: 0

-Piznit

Score: 12250
Years: 4
Race: Yor Collective
Character: ArcLightning
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League Points: 4
BP category: 3rd Fastest game(+2), submission bonus(+2) = 4

-Dethadder

Score: 14500
Years: 10
Race: Thalan Empire
Character: MetaLeaguer
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League Points: 2

-Xei Win Toh

Score: 13300
Years: 4
Race: Altarian Resistance
Character: X E I
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League Points: 3
BP category: 3rd Fastest game(+1), submission bonus(+2) = 3

Total score for "The A Team" = 9



-MarshallOneil:

Score: 22750
Years: 5
Race: Altarian Resistance
Character: WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League points: 4
BP category: 2nd Highest score(+2), submission bonus(+2) = 4

-Vilgan
Score: 5250
Years: 4
Race: Drath Legion
Character: Vilgan
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League points: 1
PP category: Lowest score(-1)

-Neilo

Score: 8400
Years: 9
Race: Thalan Empire
Character: The Commishioner
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League points: 2

-The Great Emperor

No game submitted. No prior notice given.
Rules cannot be altered mid-round.
However, Team B is a 5 player team with the inclusion of vilgan
and is liable to recieve a similar concession
as Team C in the previous round.

-Ghostwes

Score: 11200
Years: 9
Race: Krynn Consulate
Character: Incitatus
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League points: 2

Total MVL score for "The Blade Runners": 9




-Mumblefratz
Score: 17000
Years: 3
Race: Yor Collective
Character: ToshiroMifune
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League points: 6
BP categories: Fastest game(+3), 3rd Highest score(+1), submission bonus(+2) = 6

-Playjeff45
Score: 15000
Years: 8
Race: Yor Collective
Character: Pike The Persecutor
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League Points: 2

-thebutterfly
Score: 14350
Years: 14
Race: Altarian Resistance
Character: Butterfly
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League points: 1
PP category: Slowest game(-1)

-FireBender
Score: 6500
Years: 7
Race: Yor Collective
Character: General Hawkins
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League points: 2

-Darth Silhouette
Still missing

Total score for "The Celestial Crusaders": 11




-ShadowWorrior:
Score: 8750
Years: 5
Race: Thalan Empire
Character: BlasterMaster
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League points: 2

-MottiKhan
Score: 24000
Years: 4
Race: Yor Collective
Character: Evil Twin
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League points: Highest score(+3), submission bonus(+2) = 5

-Elwood011

Score: 14350
Years: 7
Race: Korath Clan
Character: MulletMan
Outcome: Military Conquest
MV League points: 2

-Macmatt

Resigned from metaverse league to focus on his studies.
Would get bonus points if it were up to me.

Total score for "The Domination Of Death": 9


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1st: Celestial Crusaders
Score: 11

3 way tie for 2nd place:

The A Team
Score: 9

Blade Runners
Score: 9

The Domination Of Death:
Score: 9

I believe I was 2nd fastest and Piznit 3rd, but since we're on the same team, it doesn't matter at all.

Good job everybody, can't wait for next round.

The tie breaker for fastest game isn't when you finish a game but when you submit it to the league. This was the only area where mumble's rough list was wrong.

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Data collected and compiled by FireBender. Checked and verified by Neilo.
Results are official

Round 3 is scheduled to start today. Hopefully, there won't be any delays. Please wrap up discussion and decide.

Where and when was that changed, because I'm quite sure that meta-submission date was the tiebreaker when I league-submitted my game. I'm not complaining, since it doesn't matter and doesn't change the final team score, I just want to know.

(trying to be diplomatic here)

When you submit a game early into to the MVL, you are taking a gamble that your game wont be surpassed. This was the tie breaker of the fastest game BP category.

-Fire
Vice Commish.

When you submit a game into the league early, you are taking a gamble that your game wont be surpassed. That is the tie breaker for the fastest game category.

Either way, Piznit and you are both in the same team(as you've acknowledged). And everyone played well and had fun with settings they wouldn't have maybe even thought of trying before. I think that is what matters more.

-Fire
Commish.

I have recieved a reply from Neilo on a issue I put forward. He has agreed with me and it is confirmed that Vilgan is not liable to recieve a penalty for this round.

I am extremely sorry for the miscount and hope that this can be condoned. Most of all, I apoligize to Vilgan. Further clarification on this matter will be given by Neilo.

This is the updated chart:

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1st: Celestial Crusaders
Score: 11

2nd: Blade Runners
Score: 10

2 way tie for 3rd place:

The A Team
Score: 9

The Domination Of Death:
Score: 9
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-Fire
Commish.

So where can I find round No 3?

(I love winnng, also I only am responsible for about 9% of our teams success this round)

No, you are wrong.

The tiebreaker definitely was the MV submission date and not the submission date to the league. At least that was the rule at the begining of the round. Whether tiebreakers get changed or eliminated completely for the next round is still up in the air. I'm really too tired at the moment to go chasing through all our threads to prove this plus we're going to be changing it one way or another for the next round so the point is probably moot, but you are incorrect on this point.

However, as Xei Win Toh and you both point out the score remains the same regardless of this mistake. However you do have a typo between Piznit and Xei Win Toh, certainly one must have been 2nd and the other 3rd, you have them both listed as 3rd.

The other point is that as I remember it, there was no penalty for slowest game. Certainly if you look at the summary of the round in the OP of the
MV League Round 2 it lists a lowset score penalty but no slowest game penalty. We may have added it somewhere else, I'm not totally certain about that though. However again this makes little difference in the outcome so it's not that big a deal.

I do agree with you on the Team D scoring because they don't get Macmatt's presumed 2 points for finishing a game they are in effect being penalized for Macmatt's excused absence but it's an awkward situation and I assume you got Neilo's input on how to deal with it.

I do want to thank FireBender for all of this work because I know what a pain all of this is. It's true all of the scores are in one thread but you still have to check a few profiles for some omitted information and you also have to go searching through about 5 threads for where the rules have been discussed. That's why it's so important to have all rules and settings listed in the OP of the MVL round thread.

Whether I am or not is probably at this point really isn't certain. Although it matters little(other then pride) since the players are both in the same team. In the MV League Round 2 thread Neilo mentioned that it was submission time. Whether it was to the MV or the league wasn't specified.

Although, I think that Neilo updated the rulebook in the "The Metaverse League". And by that scoring fomula I don't think there is any error.

I didn't recieve the rulebook in time so in order to keep as close to my promise of the results release I used rules I found which were outlined in the league threads as well as my own understanding of them.

The MV League 2 thread listed the changes in the scoring formula. Which is the -1 in lowest score and various other which I took into account. Correct?



Oops. I did. Sorry.



As mentioned before.


But I agree, the rules should be clearly specified in the OP of a thread in detail. I think I mentioned 4(give or take) threads to point out 3 suspected errors.
I have tried to eliminate this pointless swimming through posts by outlining what has been decided and what is in discussion in our discussion thread. However, I am now completely lost there and I think I've left out 5-6 suggestions.

I really don't mean to be arrogant(am I?) and if I am wrong at any point I am sorry and I will rectify the error.

-Fire
Vice Commish.

Agreed.

Certainly as long as you're willing to admit that there's a possibility that you're wrong then that's not arrogance.

Even though the point is beating a dead horse, I do have the following quote to prove that it was MV submission time and *not* submission to the thread that counts. This is the second time I've had to point this quote out, having already done so once in Reply #89 of the MV League Round 2 thread. Anyway specifically in Reply #120 of this thread where Neilo says towards the end of his reply.



Also while I'm in the process of quoting to prove that things I've said all along are true you can also check out Neilo's reply #21 in the MV League Round 2 thread where he agreed that this month we would try my suggestion of leaving ties as they are.




In conclusion it is a real major pain to have to weed through all of these threads to have to prove that the things that you've said are true. I'm sure FireBender is well aware of the work that this takes. Let us try and learn from this and try to keep all relevant information in each Round's thread so folks don't have to search hundred's of posts for this stuff.

Keeping things all in one place is very hard. It has been a constant pain to me the last 2 weeks as my time has been short, but i digress. I will post up the details for round 3 about this time tomorrow, it will include current team list, players who will not be penalized for non-submital and the round 3 rule structure.

I really think we have a good thing going here with the league and if we can iron out our scoring system i think we will be in good shape for the months to come.

Good job Fire, your work is not unnoticed.

Anyone heard from TGE? Has he been seen around here or the core, i believe he has studies that take alot of his spare time ATM but just wondered if anyone had spoke to him.

Please be patient guys, round 3 is just around the corner.

The Commish.

No it really isn't hard. You can always edit the OP of a thread so when you post the details of round 3 the first order of business is to make sure that all the relevant details are in that OP. If they aren't I will be sure to point out what is missing and you can simply add it. I do think everything has basically been discussed and resolved except for the issue of how a non-submittal is treated in the teams base score (not bonus points) for teams of 4 players versus 5 players. This has been discussed in the discussion thread and definitely needs to be addressed prior to the start of round 3. What is lacking is your comment on the issue.

The results shall be out in a few moments...
Just doing the final check.

Anxiously awaiting the outcome, with my red pencil firmly in hand.

Actually, I think it's a good idea for everyone to do this one their own as well. For one thing that would certainly be enough checking to ensure the correct results. Secondly, I think it would give everyone a true appreciation as to how much effort this takes.

BTW I did a complete re-verify of my own post and found one minor issue that did not affect scoring other than the one that KzintiPatriarch pointed out that did affect the final outcome. I will be looking to compare your results to mine.

NOTE: Please do not reply immediatly after the results are posted. I might need to make a last minute correction if the need arises. I can't edit if someone has replied to the thread.

Thanks.

Round 3 Results:



-Pndrev
Score: 4595
Race: Krynn Consulate
Outcome: Political Victory
Years: 4
Character: Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
MVL score: 0 (“Dropped” game)

-Piznit
Score: 32200
Race: Torian Confederation
Outcome: Military Conquest
Years: 4
Character: ArcLightning
MVL score: 2

-DethAdder
Score: 8700
Race: Altarian Resistance
Outcome: Beyond Mortality
Years: 3
Character: MetaLeaguer
MVL score: 3
BP category: Highest score in victory type(+1) : 3

-Xei Win Toh
Score: 9600
Race: Krynn Consulate
Outcome: Cultural Conquest
Years: 3
Character: X E I
MVL score: 2

-Ferrel
Score: 31150
Race: Krynn Consulate
Outcome: Military Conquest
Years: 5
Character: 4 20
MVL score: 2

-Dystopic
Score: 18200
Race: Krynn Consulate
Outcome: Military Conquest
Years: 2
Character: The Blind Bandito
MVL score: 2

The “A Team” combined score: 11
Time average: 3.5 (+1 BP for 2nd fastest speed average)
Score average: 17406.66




-Neilo
Score: 14000
Race: Krynn Consulate
Outcome: Military Conquest
Years: 4
Character: The Comishioner
MVL score: 2

-The GreatEmperor
Score: 6800
Race: Thalan Empire
Outcome: Cultural Conquest
Years: 6
Character: The Sandwitch Maker
MVL score: 2

-Ghostwes
Score: 12000
Race: Yor Colective
Outcome: Military Conquest
Years: 5
Character: Incitatus
MVL score: 2

-MarshallOneil
Score: 10950
Race: Terran Alliance
Outcome: Political Victory
Years: 5
Character: WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
MVL score: 3
BP category: Highest Score in victory type(+1) = 3

-Vilgan
Score: 5750
Race: Altarian Republic
Outcome: Beyond Mortality
Years: 2
Character: Vilgan
MVL score: 1 (“Dropped” game)
BP category: Fastest game in victory type(+1)= 1

-Noctilucus
Score: 7000
Race: Custom
Outcome: Cultural Conquest
Years: 3
Character: Noctilucus
MVL score: 2

The “Blade Runners” combined score: 12
Time Average: 4.16 years
Score average: 9416.66




-TheButterFly
Score: 8925
Race: Torian Confederation
Outcome: Influence victory
Years: 1
Character: The_butter_flies
MVL score: 3
BP category: Fastest game in victory type(+1) = 3

-SilverBeacher
Score: 15400
Race: Altarian Resistance
Outcome: Military Conquest
Years: 1
Character: BoilerMaker
MVL score: 3
BP category: Fastest game in victory type(+1) = 3

-Playjeff
Score: 8120
Race: Altarian Resistance
Outcome: Beyond Mortality
Years: 3
Character: Pike the Persicutor
MVL score: 2

-MumbleFratz
Score: 85250
Race: Drath Legion
Outcome: Military Conquest
Years: 9
Character: Toshiro Mifune
MVL score: 3
BP category: Highest score in victory type(+1) = 3

-FireBender
Score: 6630
Race: Yor Collective
Outcome: Political Victory
Years: 3
Character: General Hawkins
MVL score: 1 (“Dropped” game)
BP category: Fastest game in victory type(+1) = 1 [Tied with Elwood011)

The “Celestial Crusaders” combined score: 12

Time average: 3.2 years (+2 lowest average time)
Score average: 24865 (+2 highest average score)



-Brezelius
Score: 3200
Race: Korx Consortium
Outcome: Cultural Conquest
Years: 8 years
Character: Berzelius
MVL score: 0 (“Dropped” game)

-MottiKhan
Score: 84250
Race: Drengin Empire
Outcome: Military Conquest
Years: 9
Character: Evil Twin
MVL score: 2

-ShadowWorrior
Score: 4500
Race: Korx Consortium
Outcome: Beyond Mortality
Years: 6
Character: BlasterMaster
MVL score: 2

-Elwood011
Score: 7820
Race: Terran Alliance
Outcome: Political Victory
Years: 3
Character: Mulletman
MVL score: 3
BP category: Fastest game in victory type(+1) = 3 [Tied with FireBender]


-KzintiPatriarch
Score: 13000
Race: Custom
Outcome: Cultural Conquest
Years: 8
Character: DevilCat
MVL score: 3
BP category: Highest Score in victory type(+1) = 3


“The Domination of Death” combined score: 10
Time average: 6.8 years
Score average: 22554 (+1 BP for 2nd highest score)

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1st: Celestial Crusaders
Total Score: 16

Two-way tie for 2nd place:

Blade Runners
Total Score: 12

The A-Team
Total Score: 12

3rd: The Domination of Death
Total score: 11

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Congratulations to yet another round well played by all.

Data collected and compiled by Firebender. Checked and verified by Neilo.
Special thanks to Mumblefratz.

Results are official.

On the previous comments from me about Team C being replaced as the champions this round: Puff... as if.

Some people will believe anything.

-Fire

No, they aren't.


Damn it FireBender. This is messed up, checked and verified by Neilo notwithstanding.    Also, misleading comments as to pending results are really not helpful in situations that are confusing to begin with.

Only four games count towards base score. You've dropped one game from both 6 and 5 man teams. This is incorrect. Base score was 4 men at the start of the round and remained unchanged. 6 man teams drop 2 scores from base score and 5 man teams drop one.

My initial posting was correct with the exception of assigning the Cultural Conquest score bonus to Xei Win Toh instead of KzintiPatriarch. Correcting this gives the following results. The only other issue with my post was a switch between Neilo's and Ghostwes' scores of 14000 and 12000 respectively which had no effect on the scoring.

The actual results are:

Team C 16
Team D 11
Team A 10
Team B 10

The above listed point is rather major.

On a more minor point KzintiPatriarch posted a 7 year game in reply #157 of the MVL Round 3 thread. Therefore the average speed of Team D is the 6.6 years that I listed in my post and not 6.8 years, although this doesn't matter in the slightest to soring.

Also technically in a round of all four victory conditions you can't drop a required victory condition game leaving one of the game requirements unfilled. For example you listed Pndrev's Political Victory as a "dropped" score when by doing so Team A would have no Political Victory. Again this doesn't matter because Team A really drops 2 of the 3 military conquest score for base score for a base score total of 8 points THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER TEAM.

As I said in my response in the MVL Round 3 thread I have no wish to criticize you and also have no wish to stifle the natural exuberance of youth but these are definitely errors that you're pronouncing with the weight of "official" results.

Lets not get rialed about a few simple points.

I think this round was successful, results none withstanding, we gained quite a few new members. And thats what matters.

that, and retaining us.

Always a plus

I concur Mumble....this is what my calculations show too.

Sentient species taste better...