I tend to agree with Mumble. I am on team C so it does hurt our team. But on the other hand we are I believe the only team with 5 players which puts us at a dissadvantage with negative points in the case of no submitted games. I still however like bonus points to go to the highest scoring team to keep it a team effort. And if we feel the teams are in any way unbalanced then we should balance them. Sorry if this is somewhat confusing.  

IMO, since 4 games were submitted, there shouldn't be a penalty for an unsubmitted game and any penalties should only apply to games that are counted.

I think the intent of the rule was to count 4 games per team, even if the letter of it might be somewhat ambiguous.

At this point I no longer really care how this case is treated. Regardless of the sparsity of responses on this issue we simply need a decision, any decision will do. This is why we have a commissioner. To turn a phrase, please strap on a pair of balls and make a decision.

I agree that this should be true for Round 1 scores, since nothing was ever stipulated otherwise. Going forward, though, as I pointed out earlier, I think it would be a good idea to penalize all nonsubmittals, regardless of number of players on a team.



Keep in mind that part of the reason for starting the league in the first place was to provide a different environment for gameplay; one that emphasizes reaching common, predefined goals rather than being a high score contest. I'm not really arguing for or against, just pointing out one of the league's goals.

About 1 point for highest combined points, Neilo made a suggestion about a 1 pnt handicap in the next round which I would also go for just to keep the scores closer, otherwise 1 team could run away from the rest, which could cause a less then enthusiastic approach from players.(Not saying it will)

Very true Mumble.

The Crusaders will not be penalized the 2 points for non submital. As it was a fifth players scenario i felt it would be unfair to the team to give the penalty, when the rules on this situation were not clearly defined as to the fifth player.

I agree with others sentiment's that non submital is perhaps the worst thing one can do in the league. If we lose interest now, we will get nowhere, fast.

From this point on, as per the set precedent, if in a fifth player situation there is a non submital that will be counted as 0 points and unless someone on that team manages a negative score, that will be the omitted game.

For continued non submital's though, there will be an extension to the above rule. If for instance Darth reappears and commits to playing round 2 and then non submits again, he will be given a -1 handicap for the following round.

This counts for anyone. After a second non submital, regardless of any fifth player situations, for the following round after 2nd non submital the player in question will have -1 handicap.

To answer your next question i am assuming guys, that if darth is a no show between now and the end of the round, we will assume he is no longer an active league player and omit him from calculations. No penalty's will be given or considered.

Hope this was understood by all, i will clarify as needed, i rarely convey my points in 1 effort

I'm not quite sure how I feel about that. Certainly the non submittal is bad and undermines the league itself. But on the other hand real life does take precedence.

I'd would like to avoid the situation of losing a player that would otherwise like to play because they became discouraged due to missing a game because of real life and they felt would be continually penalized because of it.

I personally prefer quick and immediate punishment followed by forgiveness, the kind of technique that you would use with a young puppy. Certainly, I'm not talking about someone who makes a habit of this. I would think that there's not much choice of what to do with the "habitual non submitter" besides kick them out of the league but I don't think we should hold a single non submission over someones head for the next game either.

Since it's proposed that the handicap doesn't come into play until after the 2nd non submittal then I think that's reasonable. The only point I'm trying to make is that we should try to keep people in the league as opposed to looking for reasons to throw them out. I'm also not saying that anyone is trying to do this I'm only saying that I do want to avoid it where at all possible.

For that reason I'm hopeful that Darth does return and continues in the league and submits future games and that I think that everyone should make sure it's known that he is welcomed back even though he may have missed a game.

You know on this same subject it may very well happen that not everyone will be able to play every game. We should have some kind of ability to give notice of this and thereby avoid a penalty for our team. Again this should be a matter of degree. If someone discovers they can't play every other game then perhaps we could make some other arrangement like making them a permanent "5th player" or even perhaps they should withdraw from the league. But everyone should have the ability to occasionally say "gee guys I can't play this month" without being penalized.

I'm submitting my game for this round!  

Points: 8750
Years: 5
Victory Type: Military Conquest

I think this is a normal score.

Again i didn't explain myself properly, sorry. A single non-submital would hold no penalty other than the standard -2 points. If that player commits the same crime again then i feel that on top of the -2 penalty that a -1 handicap be placed on the player. This type of behaviour is only to the detriment of the league.

In no case would i penalize someone who made it clear they would not be able to complete a round due to RL. If they gave notice then that is fine.

I would never want to discourage anyone from playing the league. If anyone thinks we are getting beyond common sense with penalties and the like, and feel they want to go else where, then we have not done our job in accomodating them.

Perhaps a the team in question should handle non-submitals themselves. Just a thought.

Perhaps i should read posts more carefully. It has been a long day.



Yes, of course. It should never be held against a player that they failed to submit. It is a game after all. I do hope to see Darth back again.

So the results are official,

Celestial Crusaders 10 points,

Mumble 2 +3 for highest score
Playjeff 2
Butterfly 2
TP Scott 2 -1 for longest game under the winning criteria
Darth Sillouette 0 non submition ( no penalty, 5th player rule.)

Blade Runners 8 points,

Marshall Oneill 2
Ghostwes 2
Neilo 2
TGE 2

Domination of Death 8 points

MottiKahn 2 + 2 2nd highest score
Elwood 2+ 1 3rd highest score
Shadow worrior 2
Macmatt -1 defeat

The A-Team 6 points

Cornhuskermac 2
Dethadder 2
Piznit 2 + 1 fastest game
Pndrev -1 defeat

So congrats to the Celestial Crusaders, and to also to everyone else for getting through round 1. As we iron out the bugs i think everything should role along more smoothly.

See the updated table in the OP.

The Commish.

Awww, man. Now I'm    and my morale has   .   

Doh. Winning criteria. Sorry, forgot that when making the results. As I said before, I was kinda confused since I had to do most of it manually searching through useful and less useful information.

It doesnt change anything but I thought I'd say, I played that game on tech rate:Very Slow instead of just slow cuz I read the game settings wrong or clicked one too many times on tech rate.

-Baaaaaddd player
Scot

Don't feel so bad mate. My fist efforts were far slower than yours, only with a monster effort did i get it down.

I'd actually like to thank TP Scot and Mumblefratz for their help in compiling the round 1 scores. Both of your efforts saved me considerable time in doing the final tally.

Thanks guys!!

This has gone too far, how about this. -2 point penalty for a non-submittal NO MATTER WHAT, unless they inform us that they will not be able to submit.

That is the simplest, best way to do it.

A win to report for the Blade Runners: 11200 on 8/19/2007 6:53:03 AM for character Incitatus.

Could you please repost this to the MV League Round 2 thread? It does save some time for folks compiling the data if you include win type and reported years as well. Also for others to note it's great that you included the submitted date time and character name. Thanks.

Neilo, this is correct isn't it? We do want Round 2 results posted to the Round 2 thread right?

Also ShadowWorrior reported for the 2nd round in post 109 of this thread and it should be reposted to the round 2 thread as well (shouldn't it?). Please add submittal datetime and character.

Please maintain clarity in your game reports. It makes it easy for us when we compile the results or character rosters. And all game submittions FOR ROUND 2 should go into the Round 2 thread.

One thing I'd like to say under advisement:
Once you announce your game into the league, you cannot update another one. Atleast, that is what I think is in the rule book. Correct me if I'm wrong.

-Scot

This is my understanding as well. However, you're free to post as many different games as you'd like to your MV character and just pick one towards the end of the time period to submit as this rounds game.

The 5 pieces of information that are useful in these reports are

Score:
Years:
Victory Type:
Character Name:
Submission datetime: (Note this is when the game is posted to the MV not necessarily when submitted for league play)

Yes, it is true that people listed their characters elsewhere but it's a pain to go searching other threads for this info. Also in a lot of cases the game in question is obvious but if you add the datetime of the game it can often help us out.

One thing I am assuming is that the tie break criteria for game speed is post date to the MV and *not* the date that you submit the game in the Round 2 (or whichever round) thread. For example you could win in 3 years and post the game to the MV on Aug 20th but wait until Sept. 10th to decide to "submit" the game for League play. If someone else posted a 3 year game to the MV on Aug 21st and submitted it the same day for
league play the tie breaker goes to the MV posting date. Clarification by the Commissioner is desired for this.

Yes. Posting results in the round 2 thread would be far easier. I'm not too concerned if Ghost and Shadow do not repost, but if the rest of the guys can leave their results post in the round 2 thread that would be great.





Yep, right on guys. Submit as many as you like to the MV. Once notified in the League thread though then it counts. No re-submit's allowed.





Good point Mumble. You are right of course. The date of submittion is the MV date not the League aubmittion date. I for one waited at least two weeks after completing my round 1 game till i submitted it.

Looks like i have two official Vice Commissioner's. Anyone disagree with Mumblefratz and TP Scot being declared official.

If Mumble does not have time, then just TP is good with me. Seems to want to help and does help.   

Whats the pay?   

Triple what we're paying you now.

So your saying if I get a job you'll pay me 3 times my salary?
My monthly income is 1 million dollers. Cash please.

No, no, triple what we're paying you now. Which is nothing, btw.