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"The Metaverse League" Round Results & League Ladder

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"The Metaverse League" Round Results & League Ladder

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Hello all and welcome to the Metaverse League.

If your reading about the League for the first time please have a look at the "The Metaverse League" thread and our most current round thread, MVL Round 6 to get up to speed with what the league is about.

This is the home of the League Table. One of the MVL admins will update the thread each round with the round tally and i will update the OP with the League Ladder.

Please look for each rounds challenge in the appropriate round thread, Eg Metaverse League Round 6.

Season 1 has been run and won, Congrats to the Crusader's. If you would like to see the ladder for season 1 then please follow this link. MVL Season One Table

Here is the League ladder for season 2.


Good luck all and enjoy your games.
The Commish.

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Reply #76 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Mumble's score puts mine to shame...  
Reply #77 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Whaddaya mean?


TP, i do appreciate your efforts but there are 3 errors with your calculations. I will wait till the deadline has passed just in case Darth submits a game, there is still 5ish hours to go.

I understood that once you submit a score. That is final, no double or going back, right Neilo


Once you have posted your score in here, then it becomes final. What you do until that point is up to you, submit 10 games if you like, the one you post here is the league game.


Actually perhaps 0 for defeat and leave non submission at -2. I think that posting a defeat even if it was the longest game shouldn't be as bad as not posting anything at all.


Yes i think submiting your defeat should be worth 0. You complied with the rules but didn't win, no penalty. Agreed, that to be fair this would have to start from round 2.

Also remember bonus and penalty points apply to a win in the correct manner, i believe this may have been overlooked.

Quote Mumble post 71.

Yes mate i agree it did become a bit confused as to what was going on. At the start of each round i will create a new thread with rules and teams and i will update that thread if the teams change.

As for the inclusion of the league into the Altmeta, Yes! This is a goal of ours i thought, or at least of the council, and anything we can do to encourage Kryo to do this would be great. Right now we are a mess of threads and post, and even though we are getting by, the Altmeta would clean all that up and look quite presentable. Surely one way of attracting new players too.

any submission that says the 13th or earlier is fine and any saying the 14th or later is too late, it's not even necessary to mention a time.


This is true, i guess there is no need for a time to be included. Once it is the 14th US EST then no game will be accepted. (or whatever date we are working by)

Well done guys, there was a few big scores this round, wish one them was mine. Once the deadline is up check back here and at the table at the top for the final results, plus look for the thread "MV League Round 2" for an update of the teams, any rule amdendments plus the round 2 challenge.

Be patient please i got called in to work so i'm doing all this at my desk....




Galactic Civilizations III
Reply #78 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Great Job all  . Gearing up for round two   
Reply #80 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Ok guys round 1 has ended and Darth has missed the cut. I am in a bit of delima here as with what to do with the scoring in that team. The Crusaders have 5 players, so as stated, the lowest score will be left out. Also Darth failed to submit so according to the rules it is minus 2 points for the team. But, does his failure to submit mean he is the lowest scorer for the team and then as such is not counted and then, of course there would be no penalty.

This was my initial reaction and still the way i view it. I just wanted to hear from the rest of the players as to what they feel, as what we do here will set a precedent for future rounds.

Thoughts?
Reply #81 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Well, since he never submitted a score, his should of course, be the one left out, because his score is technichally zero therefor the lowest on their team.

But they should still suffer the 2 point penalty.

I try to think of these things seperatly here.

if he did submit a score, the lowest score would still have been dropped out so that shouldn't be connected with the penalty for not submitting.
Reply #82 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Hold on, ingore what I just wrote.

Because the lowest scoring persons game will be dropped out and not give the team any bonus points, that persons game should not penaltize them either.

I think that should be the case IF they DID submit a game in a team of 5 and it was dropped out for being the lowest score.

Although, he did notsubmit so, the 2 point penalty should still count.
Reply #83 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Thanks for the input Shadow. I guess with the time zone difference i will have to wait till most of you guys wake up, but please leave your thoughts on this issue as it will have future affects too.

I will go ahead and post the round 2 settings plus a few rule tweaks. Again, if we don't like the rules we can change, it will be a matter of trial and error.

I will hold off from posting the round 1 results till we get the Darth matter cleared up.

By the way, anyone heard from Darth or know why he no showed?

The Commish.
Reply #84 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
By the way, anyone heard from Darth or know why he no showed?

No I haven't heard from him recently. He did initially seem particularly gung ho. He made a number of posts in Team C's private forum and was/is the team C captain. He hasn't been seen at the Core since Aug 6th which is actually only a week which is not a very long time to be all that concerned about other than failing to submit a game.

My thoughts on not submitting a game are that this is about the worst thing you can do. Posting a defeat is far better, even a defeat that is also the slowest game is better in my opinion. I think that the no show penalty should probably count against the team even if it's a 5 player situation where the lowest score is dropped.

Also as far as tweaks, I think we should change a defeat from minus 1 to zero but leave the no submission at minus 2 because I think that the 12 year defeat that Macmatt submitted deserves more credit than a no show.

Also in regard to tweaks, in the other thread MottiKahn brought up a request to change the bonus related to game speed. While I don't totally agree with his suggestion I do think that his suggestion has some merit and deserves consideration and discussion.
Reply #85 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I like the "first game submitted here overrides all others" rule. It makes it more interesting.


Yes, then each player would constantly unsubmit and re-submit games based on another players performance. I agree with this rule.

I think that the no show penalty should probably count against the team even if it's a 5 player situation where the lowest score is dropped


Darth had a game in our private forums at the core but he mentioned he wanted to increase the score by military starbases, bigger population and a few more planets.

He didnt submit it though. But I think because the odd number team rule applies here, darth's no show would mean not counted. Each team has the compiled effort of 4 players. I dont see how a 5 player team should have to suffer a penalty. The games of 4 players in a 5 player team count. Why should a 5 player team suffer a penalty when originally only 4 players efforts count. Each other team has 4 players submittions count because they have 4 players, and a 5 player team submittion are a temporary solution until another team can be formed so only 4 player's submittions count. I dont see why Darth's no show cant be condoned as it was in a 5 player team.



Reply #86 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
WAIT, I JUST SPOTTED A CRITICAL ERROR IN THE RESULTS!

Here is the correct version:

Ok,
Since I already know the results of the characters so I'll take a sneak peek into who won.

AND THE RESULTS ARE...



-CornHuskerMac: Bastard
Tech Victory: 4 Years
Score: 8120
MV League Score: 2

-Pndrev: Prestetnic Vogon Jeltz
Defeat: 6 Years
Score: 625
MV League Score: -1

-Piznit: Arc_Lightning
Tech Victory: 3 Years
Score: 7540
MV League Score: 2+1 bonus= 3

-DethAdder: MetaLeaguer
Tech Victory: 6 Years
Score: 8000
MV League Score: 2

Total Score for "The A Team": 6

___________________________________________________________________




-MarshallOneil: WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
Tech Victory: 5 years
Score: 9750
MV League Score: 2

-Ghostwes: Incitatus
Tech Victory: 5 Years
Score: 7395
MV League Score: 2

-Neilo: The Commissioner
Tech Victory: 8 years
Score: 5510
MV League Score: 2

-The Great Emperor: The Sandwich maker
Tech Victory: 7 Years
Score: 4785
MV League Score: 2

Total score for "The Blade Runners": 8

___________________________________________________________________



-MumbleFratz: Toshiro Mifune
Tech Victory: 8 Years
Score: 28875
MV League Score: 2+3 bonus=5 (OH YEAH)

-PlayJeff45: Pike The Persicutor
Tech Victory: 6 years
Score: 10295
MV League Score: 2

-Darth Silhouette: Darth Silhouette
No Game Submitted
(Commissioner's Judgement applies here)

-TP Scot: General Hawkins
Tech Victory: 10 years
Score: 4125
MV League Score: 2

-The Butter Fly: Something with butter on it
Tech Victory: 5 Years
Score: 6000
MV League Score: 2

Total Score for "The Celestial Crusaders": 11

___________________________________________________________________



-Macmatt: Prostentic Vogon Jeltz
Defeat: 12 Years
Score: 475
MV League Score: -1-1 penalty= -2

-MottiKhan: Evil Twin
Tech Victory: 6 Years
Score: 22875
MV League Score: 2+2 bonus= 4 (cool)

-JeremyG: (Unknown)
No character specified. No penalty

-Shadow Warrior: BlasterMaster
Tech Victory: 9 Years
Score: 3875
MV League Score: 2

-Elwood011: Mulletman
Tech Victory: 5 Years
Score: 13485
MV League Score: 2+1 bonus=3

Total Score for "The Domination Of Death": 7

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1st: Celestial Crusaders
Score: 11

2nd: The Blade Runners
Score: 8

3rd: The Domination Of Death
Score: 7

4th: The A Team
Score: 6

I hope you dont mind me doing this Neilo.

-Scot


Reply #87 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
TP you are still wrong, might be best if you just wait......
Reply #88 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
WAIT, I JUST SPOTTED ANOTHER CRITICAL ERROR IN THE RESULTS!

In actuality, Team D won.

Here is the correct version:

Ok,
Since I already know the results of the characters so I'll take a sneak peek into who won.

AND THE RESULTS ARE...



-CornHuskerMac: Bastard
Tech Victory: 4 Years
Score: 8120
MV League Score: 2

-Pndrev: Prestetnic Vogon Jeltz
Defeat: 6 Years
Score: 625
MV League Score: -1

-Piznit: Arc_Lightning
Tech Victory: 3 Years
Score: 7540
MV League Score: 2+1 bonus= 3

-DethAdder: MetaLeaguer
Tech Victory: 6 Years
Score: 8000
MV League Score: 2

Total Score for "The A Team": 6

___________________________________________________________________




-MarshallOneil: WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
Tech Victory: 5 years
Score: 9750
MV League Score: 2

-Ghostwes: Incitatus
Tech Victory: 5 Years
Score: 7395
MV League Score: 2

-Neilo: The Commissioner
Tech Victory: 8 years
Score: 5510
MV League Score: 2

-The Great Emperor: The Sandwich maker
Tech Victory: 7 Years
Score: 4785
MV League Score: 2

Total score for "The Blade Runners": 8

___________________________________________________________________



-MumbleFratz: Toshiro Mifune
Tech Victory: 8 Years
Score: 28875
MV League Score: 2+3 bonus=5 (OH YEAH)

-PlayJeff45: Pike The Persicutor
Tech Victory: 6 years
Score: 10295
MV League Score: 2

-Darth Silhouette: Darth Silhouette
No Game Submitted
(Commissioner's Judgement applies here)

-TP Scot: General Hawkins
Tech Victory: 10 years
Score: 4125
MV League Score: 2

-The Butter Fly: Something with butter on it
Tech Victory: 5 Years
Score: 6000
MV League Score: 2

Total Score for "The Celestial Crusaders": 11

___________________________________________________________________



-Macmatt: Prostentic Vogon Jeltz
Defeat: 12 Years
Score: 475
MV League Score: -1-1 penalty= -2

-MottiKhan: Evil Twin
Tech Victory: 6 Years
Score: 22875
MV League Score: 2+2 bonus= 4 (cool)

-JeremyG: (Unknown)
No character specified. No penalty

-Shadow Warrior: BlasterMaster
Tech Victory: 9 Years
Score: 3875
MV League Score: 2

-Elwood011: Mulletman
Tech Victory: 5 Years
Score: 13485
MV League Score: 2+1 bonus=3

Total Score for "The Domination Of Death": 7

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1st: Celestial Crusaders
Score: 11

2nd: The Blade Runners
Score: 8

3rd: The Domination Of Death
Score: 7

4th: The A Team
Score: 6

I hope you dont mind me doing this Neilo.

-Scot


Sorry guys. I got a bit confused while making it and checking each character manually. And checking mumble's list for those which were hard to find or confusing. Sorry for the inconvenineince.

-Scot

P.S. I'm sure Motti fell for the second line in this post. HAHA, gotcha!
Sorry it was just a little joke.

Neilo I read your post and I think I'll just wait, but it wouldnt let me edit my original post so I made a new one to play a little joke. Hope thats ok.
Reply #89 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Mate, go for your life, it might amuse you to know i just re-checked everything to see how in the hell Team D won!!!!

You got me!!

Then i read the rest of the post
Reply #90 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Mate, go for your life, it might amuse you to know i just re-checked everything to see how in the hell Team D won!!!!


I found it. You forgot to add in the 20 bonus points for Team D being the most evil team in the Metaverse!   



cough cough
Reply #91 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Actually this is confusing enough without the "jokes". So could we "ixna on the okesja"?

As far as whether or not Darth's no submit counts or not I think it comes down to opinion. I understand the argument that the 5th score should be dropped and I agree that this arguement has merit. However on the other hand the biggest threat to the continuation of the League is non submittal's. I think we should try our best to discourage them at all costs. I would think at the very least someone could submit a weak win or even a resignation. That's why I believe that everyone should know that the worst they can do is to not submit and that if they don't submit a game it will always hurt the team.

In any case this is just my opinion and I'm willing to accept the commissioners decision whatever it may be. I'd also as soon wait for something official from Neilo about the final results.
Reply #92 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
on the other hand the biggest threat to the continuation of the League is non submittals. I think we should try our best to discourage them at all costs. I would think at the very least someone could submit a weak win or even a resignation. That's why I believe that everyone should know that the worst they can do is to not submit and that if they don't submit a game it will always hurt the team.


This is a very good point. It would help to encourage every player to submit a game, even if four of their teammates have already done so.

Here's a point I don't think has been brought up yet, though - one reason a player may not want to submit a 5th+ game for his/her team would be to avoid the racking up additional penalties beyond the non-submittal score. Would it be fair to stipulate that bonus and penalty points only apply to games whose score is counted for the round?


Reply #93 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Yey! you fell for it!
Reply #94 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Would it be fair to stipulate that bonus and penalty points only apply to games whose score is counted for the round?


That's a good point. Actually I think that it's true that bonus points can only be earned by folks that win the game in the approved manner. By analogy I think most penalties should only apply to games that have won in the approved manner as well. This would apply to slowest game. I think perhaps it might be best to drop the slowest game penalty and have the only negative penalty be the non submittal. This would eliminate the concern that Marshall points out.

However, if people want to keep the slowest game penalty then we should probably introduce a lowest scoring game penalty as well. All in all I'd just as soon not have slowest game/lowest score as penalties at all. No reason to add to someone feeling bad about their game. They already feel bad enough, but at least they did submit something.

I personally like the idea that non submittal is the only negative penalty and it always applies whether or not it's the 5th game. Of course a non submittal could always cound as the dropped score so that it's only the -2 penalty that applies.
Reply #95 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Would it be fair to stipulate that bonus and penalty points only apply to games whose score is counted for the round?


That's a good point. Actually I think that it's true that bonus points can only be earned by folks that win the game in the approved manner. By analogy I think most penalties should only apply to games that have won in the approved manner as well. This would apply to slowest game. I think perhaps it might be best to drop the slowest game penalty and have the only negative penalty be the non submittal. This would eliminate the concern that Marshall points out.

However, if people want to keep the slowest game penalty then we should probably introduce a lowest scoring game penalty as well. All in all I'd just as soon not have slowest game/lowest score as penalties at all. No reason to add to someone feeling bad about their game. They already feel bad enough, but at least they did submit something.

I personally like the idea that non submittal is the only negative penalty and it always applies whether or not it's the 5th game. Of course a non submittal could always cound as the dropped score so that it's only the -2 penalty that applies.
Reply #96 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
So could we "ixna on the okesja"?


Huh?
Reply #97 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Pig Latin? Three stooges? ixna on the okesja = Nix on the Jokes.

I guess you had to be there.
Reply #98 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Would it be fair to stipulate that bonus and penalty points only apply to games whose score is counted for the round?


Yes i'd agree with this. It goes hand in hand with,

Actually I think that it's true that bonus points can only be earned by folks that win the game in the approved manner. By analogy I think most penalties should only apply to games that have won in the approved manner as well.


Which is already the case. Bonus and penalty points are only for games that are won in the correct manner.

I am all for dropping penalty's for the lowest scoring game, but i do like the one for longest game. If it wasn't in place we might see many a game being stretched out to get that big score and go for a bonus point.

I think the -1 for longest game retards that way of thinking a little.

Keep coming with the thoughts on Team C situation please, we have alot of players who are mute on the topic at the moment.

Reply #99 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I see points to both sides of the Team C debate. If I was you Neilo, I would just make a decision and stand on it with the authority of the commisioners office.
Reply #100 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
In response to the negative scoring questions: I have heard people mention not adding more insult to people who already might feel bad enough about the score they gave, which I can agree with, but I also agree we need something to discourage loooong games for high score or non-submittals.

One thing we could do if we remove negative point modifiers is consider making up more ways to just earn bonus points. As it is, we only have fastest game played ( big pat on my back for round 1, just kidding    ), highest score, and I think thats it? I KNEW in my game I wouldnt get the highest score because I dont know all the little tricks and things to do, so I said "Screw it, lets go for speed in a research win, and do it in style with the... Arceans!"

Maybe when the parameters are set, Neilo could award bonuses if you win with a certain race, like a diplo win with Yor or any win with the Iconians! Maybe an uber bonus if you play with a custom race that has excellent repair bonuses and creativity/luck or something and nothing else. Or maybe bonus points for the FIRST game submitted that equals a certain score or higher, although that would suck for someone who couldnt play or was gone for a weekend. How about just bonus points for anyone that makes a certain benchmark in either time or score, and then keep the same bonus for the fastest and the highest score as well.

These are just ideas, thought I would throw them out.