watertown1978

no no no! we need to "spread the wealth" "provide free health care to every child" ect ect where have you been??!

ahhh duh hes telling people what they wanted to hear. Rememeber "balancing the budget?" Yeah Remember " 5 day wait period to let people view bills before they are passed ? yeah broken too Bipatrisin? what a joke Enjoy the 9 trillion this package is gonna cost. God help us... ( and no im not religious.... but maybe its time? )

[quote who="EL-DUDERINO" reply="7" id="2054013"] So if I'm reading this right, spending money on energy efficiency, security personel, waste disposal, flood defences, fighting health epidemics, education, and fire services is all 'pork'?! In that case, give me all the pork I can eat! I haven't heard anyone claim that the money allocated in the porkulus bill isn't "needed". What people have been saying is that a lot of the items in the bill are NOT stimulus, they will do nothin

[quote who="maudlin27" reply="4" id="2053960"]So if I'm reading this right, spending money on energy efficiency, security personel, waste disposal, flood defences, fighting health epidemics, education, and fire services is all 'pork'?! In that case, give me all the pork I can eat![/quote] Ahhh yes all that will stimulate the economy! I am all for stuff like this for the most part but it does very little to get the economy back on track. In fact any kind of spending... r

[quote who="BrotherZacharias" reply="10" id="2053439"]This is all because no one teaches people how to handle money anymore. This stimulus is small in comparison to the one he will ask for in 4 years.....could it be in the trillions?????[/quote] yeah they are talking about another one and the first "stimulus" has not even passed yet. Dont worry we are on the way to becoming "US of China EAST"

[quote who="Lee1776" reply="8" id="2053365"]After listening to a few talk shows today I have heard of at least two items that will not go away: 1. Those receiving unemployment will also receive Medicare under this Bill. Do you really think that those trying to get universal health care will let that go? Heck, the resent child healthcare bill signed into law covers children upto the age of 30. At this rate, seniors at the age of 35

[quote who="Leauki" reply="12" id="2053564"] ii- Provide banks with the rest of the $700B with conditions that they resume giving credit and stop using the money for other purposes and stop the practices that got them in this mess in the first place I am all for that. But how will Obama explain to his supporters that banks should not give mortgages to poor people and minorities any more and shouldn't have done so in the first place either? <b

[quote who="Leauki" reply="13" id="2053569"] One ugly way out is this: The NECESSARY war in Afghanistan may pick-up the slack .... I'm not sure how the Afghanistan war will ever manage to achieve some sort of success as long as Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are hiding in and striking from Pakistan's tribal regions. Maybe Obama will come through with his plan to attack Pakistan? I have seen the results of the war in Iraq and it is definitely looking good

[quote who="Lee1776" reply="4" id="2053140"] So it's Obama's fault that the republicans decided to hypocritcally refuse to back a bail out that would help support the economy even when they'd previously supported one that rewarded banks for failure? You have a very short memory. The vote for the bank bail out in the Senate only had 10 out of 49 republicans and 46 out of 50 Dems. While in the House only 20 out of 199 Republicans voted for passage and 203 Dems vo

[quote who="maudlin27" reply="2" id="2052762"]So it's Obama's fault that the republicans decided to hypocritcally refuse to back a bail out that would help support the economy even when they'd previously supported one that rewarded banks for failure? Also if punctuality is the worst you can come up with, then I'd suggest that he's doing a pretty good job. No doubt even if Obama did everything perfectly, and never made a single mistake, you'd still have the standard people here ranting about h

yeah and if there were Rep appointments to positions of bush , and they "forgot" to pay taxes... can you imagine the public outrage? O man people be marching in every town to oppose bush! Now that its dems that do it... thats okay..becuase Bo can do no wrong!

[quote who="maudlin27" reply="3" id="2052467"] what happens after the stimulus runs out? To best answer this, think of what would happen if there was no stimulus - things would be bad for a couple of years, and then start to recover. So if the timing is got right, when the stimulus runs out, things will have recovered and so the market will be able to pick up where the government has left off.[/quote]well it sounds like people here are for the stimulus... so let me ask you this...

Dont worry bud... the second wave of ARM's will be resetting around that time too... so you think its bad now LOL... enjoy.

Today is the sad nail ( one of them ) into the countries coffin... sad sad day for america

[quote who="stevendedalus" reply="6" id="2050095"] Strange. Every time someone tries to cut spending we are told how people will be thrown onto the streets and orphans will be starved. From your lofty perspective, I imagine it would be difficult to notice the impoverished. very little of the money is actually going to "stimulate" the econ, As usual picking out trivia to suit the argument.[/quote] what? what he states is a fact. Very little indeed is goin

[quote who="EL-DUDERINO" reply="19" id="2049270"] How can you say there is no starving? Are you in fact stating there is no such thing in the US? I'm beginning to think that taltamir lives in some sort of utopian society where the homeless are only homeless by choice and no one every goes hungry unless they choose to. What a wonderful place that must be.[/quote] No %*(% I want to move there now! Like i said though there are some th

[quote who="taltamir" reply="16" id="2048181"] A large portion of homeless people have mental disorders and can't afford their medication. I consider being CRAZY a choice. But maybe I am wrong. The medication for mental disorders are extremely primitive, based on experimentation with not clue as to HOW or WHY it works, and is typically geared towards suppressing the symptoms (chemical lobotomy) even while worsening the situation. The psychiatric industry is a sham.

OP fails here.... I think that BO knows how mad people were with the last bail out and trying to save face... but now BO is the knight in shining armor now because he did it... well duh...

[quote who="Rightwinger" reply="6" id="2044587"] Quoting JillUser, reply 3Rightwinger beat me to it! That's my fav too...and yes, I do know what that first one is...gag Quoting Dr Guy, reply 5The first one is very symbolic. Does anyone know if there's a similar Clinton sex toy product? That would be hilariously appropriate. And how 'bout them Steelers, huh?! Was that, or was that not a Super Bowl to remember? [/q

[quote who="taltamir" reply="12" id="2047027"] hey how about...we take care of our starving first and homeless first... theres an idea.... before we give a hoot about other starving people on the other side of the planet... lets fix our problems first then look out... o wait... i forgot its not popular There are no starving in the USA, all the homeless in the USA are homeless by choice (usually because they think the government is out to get them or because they ran away from home).

[quote who="taltamir" reply="10" id="2046181"]there is more than enough FOOD to feed everyone in the world many times over. MOST of the food grown in the USA is left to rot in the fields (its actually a protective deal, the government subsidizes farmers to grow more than they can sell for cases of emergency, like war or natural disasters), but to get food to everyone in the world you need to package and ship it. which means manpower (aka money), and fuel... so converting otherwise worthless f

[quote who="Daiwa" reply="4" id="2044783"] and since you're such a righteous non-paranoid, non-elitist objective thinker, you'll be able to respond by quoting all actual provisions of the obama stimulus bill which directly fund acorn. You can start with the section titled "Community Planning and Development, Community Development Fund" beginning on page 220 of H.R. 1. It's kind of long so a quote won't do it justice. Lotsa zeros in the amounts allocated there, though.&nb

[quote who="taltamir" reply="16" id="2043760"]2 trillion? *weeps*. thats about 6,666$ for every single person in the USA, and since many are dependants, like housewives and elderly and children, it is easily over 20k per taxpayer. Fuck.[/quote] and who do you think and decide what better ways to stimulate the economy? o yeah its not government either

[quote who="Draginol" reply="17" id="2043780"]Why not just lower taxes and be done with it? That'll stimulate the economy.[/quote] Duh... But no... we have to spread the wealth damn it!

[quote who="taltamir" reply="8" id="2043761"]thats to save money actually. Convert it to gas and its worth more money than it did as food.[/quote] Yeah well...and whos bright idea was that? You cant say gov didnt play a huge roll in making corn into gas. In fact the gov subsidises the corn growers