[quote who="Leauki" reply="7" id="2064488"] It is so not the same thing. Coal mining is a specific business with specific risks. So is office work. But there are some risks that can be added to any business that are not required for the business to work. Smoking in the office is a risk that is added artifically and is entirely not essential for the office to function. Regulating something like th
[quote who="Leauki" reply="6" id="2064483"] O yeah? so where does it stop? When is junk food gonna be bad...afterall... you know that is cause for people getting fat which leads to other complications. I have never ever grown fatter because somebody else sat next to me and ate unhealthy food. [/quote] yeah but you opened the door. Hopw about booze. Want to play hard ball.... how many people get ki
[quote who="Tova7" reply="1" id="2064029"]There is a similar smoking ban in Ohio, so they won't be coming here. "Secondhand smoke is classified as a "known human carcinogen" (cancer-causing agent) by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the US National Toxicology Program, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a branch of the World Health Organization."-- http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_10_2X_Secondhand_Smoke-Clean_I
[quote who="taltamir" reply="20" id="2063478"]I voted for mccain. I disagreed with him on social policy, but at least he proposed sound economic policy, a spending freeze, severe spending cuts, eliminating pork, and reducing giveouts. For all we know he is full of it, and would have done exactly what BO is doing. But he at least claimed sound policy while BO promised wealth redistribution, reparations, and entitlement. If that is what american society wants to be like, i
[quote who="taltamir" reply="16" id="2062345"]that is exactly my POINT. I VOTED for sound economic policy, but in the lack of it I do not volunteer to shoulder the stupidy... This is like when hawaii passed their "free" children healthcare. Everyone got on it, even people who "could affort healthcare for their children" canceled their plans and got on the government plan, which collapsed. Its called communism, it doesn't work, and there is no "glory" or "good" in being t
Leauki you lost a ton of points from me by saying you voted for Gore....im sooo sorry [e digicons]:omg:[/e]
dude I spit out my soda cuz that was really funny! I agree!
Amen. Granted we have to sleep in the same bed too as these people that voted for this, I will not give up the way I was brought up and that is... want something work for it. Want to make more money...work for it. I have the control for the most part in life, though I dont mind having some gov in place to catch me when I fall, I should be expected to be helped up for a bit and then sent on my way. This is exactly the opposite thinking americans have now. They wa
[quote who="taltamir" reply="12" id="2062271"] Quoting CaesarsGhost, reply 5Come now comrade, let us all enjoy some cake as equals... no matter how hard we work... I'm unemployed and I refuse to take handouts until I'm starving on the street. I'm actually proud to say that. Seeing as I have a roof over my head, a computer and internet, I don't feel I've reached that point... I quit my job and took a student loan, for the first time in my LIFE I am in debt, and
see the problem I have with this is the fact once you start inacting alot of the stuff that is in the bill... its very very hard to take it away. Thats political suicide for anyone that tries to do so after its in place. So no it cant be fixed not without alot of pain and a realzation from the politicans that reverse all this stuff that their term is short lived... as long as they understand its best for the country... but really when was the last time any politican did anything that was a hu
[quote who="kingbee" reply="3" id="2058403"] a tree of peppy a what of what? (got no idea what it is and hopin i won't inadvertantly drop one myself.)[/quote] pepperoni.
[quote who="EL-DUDERINO" reply="12" id="2058009"] See I dont think I really fit into any one group when it comes to politics... I go from one side to the other on issues. I love the gov to live withen the means and not raise taxes... That makes me conservative right? But on the other hand, i dont mind giving a helping hand to honest hard working people that have had a string of bad luck. I am much the same way. I consider myself Libertarian or essentially fiscally conservative
congress will not impose bonus restrictions in bill Boom breaking out right now on the news I wonder if this is true....
[quote who="EL-DUDERINO" reply="10" id="2057914"] El... I dont have problems with her getting help with the disabled kids... because Me and the old lady get the same for our boys... but heres where we part from this wack job Perhaps I wasn't clear. I don't mind her collecting disability payments for her disabled kids, but let's call a spade a spade when you're unemployed receiving government assistance you are on some form of welfare no matter what it's actual source is.
[quote who="EL-DUDERINO" reply="5" id="2057603"]I have been following this story since it broke and the more I learn about it the more annoyed I get. This woman obviously has some major mental problems, how they were missed when she worked in a mental hospital is beyond me. There are so many things to "love" about this story: 1) She claims that she doesn't consider herself on welfare. She is on social programs that are out there that because of her three disabled
[quote who="Nitro Cruiser" reply="2" id="2057582"]RW, I heard it was 6 embryos implanted (two split) that still don't make it right, just a clarification. I think the doctor that performed it should be held liable too. He is responsible for consultation with the patient and should have refused based on her current litter of kids at home. Even if she only wanted one, it should have raised flags. I know some will scream about the womans rights, but when the burden shifts to the government, "wan
[quote who="Adventure-Dude" reply="25" id="2056574"] Personally I think it would've been better if the government didn't have a bail out in the first place though - let the greedy execs lose their jobs, it's the very least that they deserve. What, I agree with Maudlin!? [/quote] Heckk\at my job if I drop a tree of peppy that is worth around 400 bucks i get fired.
[quote who="Island Dog" reply="6" id="2056513"] All in all, Obama has been handed a big plate of shit and people are going to blame him if his breath smells like shit 4 years from now--a plate that good ole G.W. Bush and D. Cheney (and Alan Greenspan if you want to get realistic) created and handed to him. Bush and Cheney did not create this problem. They certainly didn't help, but lets look at how people like Dodd and Frank pushed companies to give credit to people who obviou
[quote who="Nitro Cruiser" reply="19" id="2056506"] what happens after the stimulus runs out? Hyper-inflation.[/quote] O heck that wont even happen when it runs out... that will happen shortly after the bail out money starts making its way into the system
[quote who="Nitro Cruiser" reply="10" id="2056451"] donno if you were complementing me or what...should I be flattered? Ilm lost lol "Ilk" must be liberal speak for fiscal conservative WT, so it appears to be a compliment. Though i do agree we need to get back to manufacturing our own stuff for the most part. As soon as Obama can get the wages adjusted so your making the same as a 12 year old Indonesian worker, there will be plenty of manufacturing jobs in the
[quote who="stevendedalus" reply="5" id="2055545"]Thanks, Think Aloud. As you probably know I don't get much praise around here. In fact Watertown and ilk reign. [/quote] i donno if you were complementing me or what...should I be flattered? Ilm lost lol Anways I do not support a jump in Minimum wage. We need the market to dictate what people get paid. if the market needs workers and can not fill them, then the market will adjust to a hig
[quote who="EL-DUDERINO" reply="25" id="2055315"] Yes you are. Most (possibly even all - I cant be bothered to check all the minute details) democrats that supported the first bail out supported the second. None of the republicans that supported the first bail out supported the second. Given that the second had more (economic) justification than the first, that means that when it comes to hypocracy the republicans are the worst offenders in this case. I wouldn't expect you to see that th
[quote who="little-whip" reply="1" id="2056072"] You know the one where those that voted for the bailout realized the err of their ways with how that bill hasn't done anything that it promised to do. How does learning from past mistakes make them hypocrits? Precisely. Those billions have disappeared into thin air, NO ONE knows (or will admit to) where they were spent, and they didn't have the intended consequences. Why make the same mistake twice? If this
[quote who="Nitro Cruiser" reply="21" id="2055127"]Now since I only saw bits of the time Bush spent at his ranch/ or Camp David on TV, Some of those periods of time I noticed he had VIPs and foreign leaders there. So I am going to step out on a limb and say he was possibly doing some work there from time to time. Of course you seem to know exactly what went on at these locations (perhaps you held the dog for him ), so who am I to tell you different right? So lets be
SOME REP supported it??? WHAT? at best those were moderate conservatives AT BEST. Belive me there was not a whole heck of alot of support from teh Rep on that... first bail out... but you know once the numbers are shown to back up that a majority of REP didnt support it and in fact it was almost sweeping support from the Dems... the tone changed to... : well well some supported it!" Bo nut riders crack me up. In fact I know of another one who thinks that more taxes are