[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="4" id="1851349"]It is possible that Robert C. Byrd (D. Sen. WV) may function as president temporarily since he is the president pro-tem (or whatever that term is).That would be the crowning irony! Instead of demonstrating to the world that we have overcome our racism, we would be putting a racist in the whitehouse! [/quote] I am a sucker for irony.
[quote]I am truly starting to believe this woman is really a nut case. And I don't mean as an insult but as truly losing her mind. Our planet is not in any danger, if anything it's going thru it's normal cycles and the only reason our civilization would be in danger is because it's part of that cycle. Sure, we should try to save ourselves but not the way this woman describes it. Obama is not a God and they need to stop protraying him in that fashion.[/quote] While I agree with you thi
[quote]Change. It will work. Bush will not be president in 5 months.[/quote] Very true. But neither Obama nor McCain are guarnteed to be president at the end of January next year. I have a bad feeling that this election will be much like 2000 where the results in multiple states are contested and we don't have a clear winner for quite some time. It is possible that Robert C. Byrd (D. Sen. WV) may function as president temporarily since he is the president pro-te
[quote]In-vitro fertilization is the baby (or fetus if you will) surviving outside the womb before implantation.[/quote] It isn't a fetus until a few days to after implantation in the uterin wall. It is a zygote up until that point and a zygote can survive for a short time outside the womb, because it needs to as it awaits implantation during the normal process following natural conception. [quote]Funny the one thing the pro-choice side ridicules is the choice for abstin
[quote]Abortion isn't having the woman's best interest at heart. Again, it's just the reverse...It's been proven that women who abort suffer serious, not only physical damage, but life long psychological damage. And don't forget that men too carry scars of abortions. [/quote] It hasn't been proven that an abortion causes women to have life long physical and psychological damage. If so show me the studies that have done so. There may be studies, commisioned by pro-life
[quote]10 years ago it was 26 weeks. 10 years from now? It has not been proven. The only thing that has been proven is that we dont know squat yet. [/quote] It has been proven as I said based on todays technology. With todays technology a fetus with less than 22 weeks gestation has no chance for survival. And as I have said numerous times when I am talking about abortion for the most part I am talking about the first trimester abortions which are done between weeks 0 and 1
[quote] Abortion is an intrinsic evil and is never necessary in the case of rape or incest. The murder of the innocent to relieve the suffering of another is never justified.[/quote] Try telling that to someone who has been raped. Try telling them that you are forcing them to carry around a reminder of a horrific event for 9 months. Sure that might be somewhat emotional, but it doesn't make it invalid. A rape is traumatic enough but adding to that with a pregnancy an
[quote]If life doesn't begin at conception then will someone PLEASE tell me what's the point of birthcontrol pills condoms, diaphragms, etc????[/quote] They are used to prevent conception. What does that have to do with defining when life begins? If we didn't have contraceptives then abortion would be one of a very select few methods of birth control (tube tieing, vasectomy, the rythm method). [quote who="Cedarbird" reply="10" id="1850407"]Okay, I see your point, D
[quote]In the case of abortion you are dealing with a fetus that is NOT self aware and is unable to live outside the womb (with or without life support systems). Neither has been proven (and indeed evidence exists to support the opposite claim). PBA is a birth, followed by a killing. Others have been aborted just to live, even if for a short time.[/quote] I will agree that the fetus not being self aware hasn't been "proven" but I ask how can anything without a developed brain be
[quote]why outlaw murder[/quote] Because in the case of murder your are dealing with at least two self aware, already born humans. In the case of abortion you are dealing with a fetus that is NOT self aware and is unable to live outside the womb (with or without life support systems). It isn't the same. [quote]If you see the child as a living human being (after all, even a post partum child is totally dependant upon others), and you support abortion, then you
[quote]Think about this. You're advocating killing hundreds,thousands or millions of babies legally just to save "at least one life?" Does that make sense? [/quote] Don't misconstrue what is being said here. CB, and I, are NOT advocating killing hundreds, thousands, millions of babies to save "at least one life". From CB's comments, and I, are advocating saving hundreds, thousands, millions of women's lives (people already living their lives) by aborting fetuses (not
[quote]But I know that people will do it whether or not it is legal, so might as well save at least one life by doing it the legal way.[/quote] This is all most pro-choicer's want as well, you are pro-choice. You think that abortion is murder and a sin therefore you are personally pro-life, but you also recognize that abortions are going to happen whether it is legal or not and so it is better to have them be safe and legal, like it or not that's pro-choice.
[quote]So I can decide for myself to abort or not abort. Ok good, that's true. But what about our daughters? Right now they can get an abortion at say....12 or 13 or 14 or 15 and we have no say as their parents? What about the say of the unborn? Doesn't the constitution apply to them as well? Where is their decision on this? [/quote] It depends on what state you live in. Some states require parental notification, some even require parental consent for a girl at 12-15 to get an a
[quote]Last thing. whether or not the next President is pro-life, I don't really think Roe vs. Wade will be reversed. I don't really think it ever will. And though I strongly disagree with it on moral grounds, at least legalizing it prevents "back alley" abortions that could kill not only the unborn but the mother as well. In this case, I'd prefer the lesser of two evils.[/quote] Guess what. You're socially pro-choice, personally pro-life as you would not get an abortion but you
[quote who="stevendedalus" reply="15" id="1847167"]Are we ALL hooked on Boston Legal? [/quote] Boston Legal is an awesome show. You just can't script the chemistry between Spader and Shatner.
[quote]Okay, but the rookies will soon forget. Power moves in mysterious ways.[/quote] And if they do then the following election they will need to go. They will only forget if we allow them the time to foget.
[quote]and that is the crux of the whole matter. Until we know for sure the murder should stop.[/quote] To you it is murder, it isn't to me. The question of when life begins is a philosophical one not one that will satisfactorily be answered by science for you which is why I am attempting to avoid the whole discussion. [quote]We wouldn't bury a dead person until we KNOW FOR A FACT he's dead right? So why kill an unborn baby if we don't know for sure when life begins
[quote]Marriage is religious[/quote] Unfortunately no it's not. I got married in a court house because neither my wife nor I are religious and we didn't want a big wedding. Our marriage is still valid though. Marriage is a legal contract which is part of the reason why divorces can be so messy, they can be caused by breaches in that contract. [quote]That's what pedophiles say...[/quote] In a pedophiles case the love is NOT mutual.
[quote]If only America had the BALLS TO DO THAT![/quote] Don't worry about whether America has the balls to do it, start by convincing individuals to do it. I have a couple of bumper stickers on my car related to this issue hopefully someone will get the message. Just try to get one person at a time to see the light and maybe one of these days people will realize that there are more than two choices in any election.
[quote]All along I don't usually like to do this (and never have), because I know he's a spoiler but when you feel like you don't have a choice, it's a way to voice it I suppose. [/quote] If you are voting for the person you most want to see in office then that candidate is NOT a spoiler. The notion that the third party candidates "steal" votes from the major parties is insane. The third party candidates fill a void that has been left by the divisivness of the two major pa
[quote]As a result. increasing numbers of our citizens do NOT VOTE! WE keep forgetting ultimate power lies with us.. the common people, we need desperately to vote OUT these lifetime politicians and keep lawyers from ruining our country.[/quote] I could not agree more. As I have said numerous times here and elsewhere, and I will continue to say, VOTE AGAINST INCUMBENTS! No one in any elected office should be re-elected in this upcoming election. We need to send a ver
[quote]It wasn't until the 1973 US Supreme Court decided to make the barbarism of "abortion on demand", anytime, for anyone, for any reason, the law of the land. Now, it's so prevalent, it's birth control.[/quote] I have been trying to stay out of the abortion debate as it is a rather touchy subject for me but I can't any longer, I will however try to hold back a little. Abortion is a necessary evil. Yes abortion is not pleasent and anyone who thinks it is an easy decisi
[quote]Finally a McCain/Lieberman ticket would truly unite Republicans and Democrats, that is moderates of each side.[/quote] I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I don't think a McCain/Lieberman ticket would do anything but divide people. For one thing if he chose Lieberman he would alienate his base more than he as a politician already does. The conservative base is already on shaky ground when it comes to McCain, picking a "Democrat" would send them runni
[quote]I agree with your encouragement to go and vote, El-Duderino. I'll vote for a third party only if he's pro-life though. I'm a one issue voter. I'll go to the polls becasue there are usually other elections and referendum questions on the ballot.[/quote] The two big third party candidates that are pro-life are Bob Barr (libertarian) and Chuck Baldwin (constitution?). The hard part is getting them on your states ballot. Bob Barr didn't get enough signatures to get onto
[quote who="chadwbaker" reply="6" id="1844078"]How bout we just seperate them by blue red county? California has only few blue counties, just their population is huge.[/quote] But again where does that leave people like me who are socially liberal (pro gay marriage, pro choice, etc) but fiscally conservative (lower taxes, small and limited government, etc.)? By only allowing blue or red areas I wouldn't have anywhere to live.