It is so easy for anyone who is on the outside to sit and judge this man and what he's trying to do for his wife. No one but him and God, (yes, I'm bringing God into it) knows what his wife said to him. People, the nurses, the parents, strangers, will sit and speculate and accuse but they don't really know having not lived day to day, or minute to minute in their home. People will always be quick to jump on whatever band wagon they believe in, that's their right.

First off she was/is a catholic and as such what they are doing to her would be considered suicide by the RC church (that she supposedly wanted done). And that's a MAJOR sin and a BIG no-no!

Would I want the government to take this right away from me? No! Should they become involved? No! Now that I live in Florida, what the President has done will take away my rights.

The government has taken NOTHING from you! What they passed was a one time shot for Terri only. BTW GW has taken NOTHING from you. He signed what congress put in front of him. You don't like that? Then talk to your senators and your representatives.

How can you say she does not deserve to live?????? I said I agreed with you..............Terri has a RIGHT to live.........

Reply By: Iconoclast™Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005Modman, you of all people should realize by now that the true liberals on here (Myrrander exempted...he's an annoying leftie, yes, but at least he can be funny) have no sense of humor or of irony. Such things just blow right on by them and set them all aflame with righteous, if misplaced, anger.When you don't know someone, it's hard to know when they're being sarcastic, especially on the computer.

aamen, thats why I jump on people that think they KNOW me from my postings.

Reply By: Iconoclast™Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005not even close icon.... now that the sentence is in and terry dies slowly, I can say yes she is better off dead, but starvation!!! please. We would not let an animal die like that let alone a human being, and she is human, damaged and all.I thought this was about opinions.

that it is, opinions, and my opinion is she is damaged and should die, but starvation is just to damn cruel.

"t is so easy for anyone who is on the outside to sit and judge this man and what he's trying to do for his wife. "

which wife, the one he has now or the one he "manages" like a peice of property?

"But if you have never been in the position that Terry is in, a vegetative state, lying there, not knowing anything, how can she, she's literally dead."

Nope, nor would I be "suffering" or "demeaned" if I were "literally dead". Nor would my heart be beating, nor would I be ingesting food and living without any help but nourishment.

"Would you want to be in that position to have to decide that it's time for your spouse to die, time to pull the plug and not try anymore because there's no hope?"

No, but it the point is there is no plug. She's been denied food and water for days and she is still alive.

"But she has a husband, and therefore they should respect her wishes to not remain that way."

Her wishes aren't known. Abandoned spouses shouldn't be starved to death based on hearsay statements. She never let her real "family" know what her wishes were.

"My friend is right at this moment in the same situation in NY wherein her mom is in a coma and dying and she has to make the decision that is best for her family. It's not an easy decision to make and it doesn't make the pain of it go away."

But your friend's mom has the benefit of having her family make the decision. In this case the family is being denied the ability to make the decision by someone who has "moved on" and whose only "management" of the situation is his tireless efforts to have her starved to death.

"Would I want the government to take this right away from me? No! Should they become involved? No! Now that I live in Florida, what the President has done will take away my rights."

No one is telling anyone what they can do. You can write out a living will. You can share your feelings with your family. You can ensure that this doesn't happen by leaving your directions in irrefutable ways. You are basing your ideas about what someone else would want on your feelings for what YOU would want. You can't make that assumption.

AND the "state", should not, ever, never do such a thing. To do so would be basically sentencing everyone in this condition to death by default unless they provide directions otherwise. Why not just go a step further and assume they want their organs harvested? How would that play out over time when anyone who can die, must die?

So, do you want the rule to be "starve them unless they specify otherwise", or would you like to make sure people who don't specify are given the benefit of the doubt, and not discarded like so much garbage...

If her husband has moved on and her parents want to care for her, why not let them? However, I think her parents are being selfish. Do they want to prolong her life for her sake or theirs? I am betting the latter.

Jill,

The parents feel that Mr. Schiavo had something to do with her condition. Whether that is true or not, I do not know, but the parents have hope that Terri can be helped through rehabilitation that has been denied her by Mr. Schiavo consistently through the years. While their hope may be overly optimistic, it is a hope they should be allowed to see come to fruition.

There's a subtle concern I have here as well over the fact that Mr. Schiavo wants Terri's remains cremated. Remember, Mr. Schiavo is Catholic, Terri is Catholic, her parents are Catholic...last time I checked, cremation to a Catholic was a VERY bad thing (which is one reason the medieval Catholic church burned the bones of heretics). If anything can establish Mr. Schiavo's mindset, I believe this goes a long way.

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005"t is so easy for anyone who is on the outside to sit and judge this man and what he's trying to do for his wife. "which wife, the one he has now or the one he "manages" like a peice of property?"But if you have never been in the position that Terry is in, a vegetative state, lying there, not knowing anything, how can she, she's literally dead."Nope, nor would I be "suffering" or "demeaned" if I were "literally dead". Nor would my heart be beating, nor would I be ingesting food and living without any help but nourishment."Would you want to be in that position to have to decide that it's time for your spouse to die, time to pull the plug and not try anymore because there's no hope?"No, but it the point is there is no plug. She's been denied food and water for days and she is still alive."But she has a husband, and therefore they should respect her wishes to not remain that way."Her wishes aren't known. Abandoned spouses shouldn't be starved to death based on hearsay statements. She never let her real "family" know what her wishes were."My friend is right at this moment in the same situation in NY wherein her mom is in a coma and dying and she has to make the decision that is best for her family. It's not an easy decision to make and it doesn't make the pain of it go away."But your friend's mom has the benefit of having her family make the decision. In this case the family is being denied the ability to make the decision by someone who has "moved on" and whose only "management" of the situation is his tireless efforts to have her starved to death."Would I want the government to take this right away from me? No! Should they become involved? No! Now that I live in Florida, what the President has done will take away my rights."No one is telling anyone what they can do. You can write out a living will. You can share your feelings with your family. You can ensure that this doesn't happen by leaving your directions in irrefutable ways. You are basing your ideas about what someone else would want on your feelings for what YOU would want. You can't make that assumption.AND the "state", should not, ever, never do such a thing. To do so would be basically sentencing everyone in this condition to death by default unless they provide directions otherwise. Why not just go a step further and assume they want their organs harvested? How would that play out over time when anyone who can die, must die?So, do you want the rule to be "starve them unless they specify otherwise", or would you like to make sure people who don't specify are given the benefit of the doubt, and not discarded like so much garbage...Bonus Rating: Trolling Insightful

damn you are good at expressing yourself.. can I borrow your talent for lets say ummmmmmmmm forever? lol

There's a subtle concern I have here as well over the fact that Mr. Schiavo wants Terri's remains cremated. Remember, Mr. Schiavo is Catholic, Terri is Catholic, her parents are Catholic...last time I checked, cremation to a Catholic was a VERY bad thing (which is one reason the medieval Catholic church burned the bones of heretics). If anything can establish Mr. Schiavo's mindset, I believe this goes a long way.

I think we can ALL AGREE her "husband is a peice of shit"

It is now 2:45 P.M. EST. A woman who was apparantely a former nurse of Terri's was just on CNN. She said that she and other nurses would give Terri physical therapy and Terri was able to move her limbs afterwards. The nurse heard Terri speak. Then Michael would come in and say, "Stop that. It's therapy." He would also say things like, "When is that bitch going to die?" And "Isn't she dead yet?" Michael would void the therapy orders. The nurse says she believes that with just a little more therapy, Terri could recover. She said Terri is brain dead. She is not PVS. The nurse said she was fired for not giving Terri correct care.

I think I might have misunderstood you, moderateman, but it's your fault. IF instead of "how" you meant "that".

Better to starve the cheating husband along with the liberals who think they know all....let them starve and feel what it is like.

strange that the much publicised system of government all over the world is trying to end human life. there is serious defect in such a system. anyway all man made systems have flaws and the sooner we understand this the better.

Reply By: riazlongi(Anonymous User)Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005strange that the much publicised system of government all over the world is trying to end human life. there is serious defect in such a system. anyway all man made systems have flaws and the sooner we understand this the better

agreed, but far as I can tell there is no better place to live and be free than the good old U.S.A. no offense other countries {except france}

Reply By: Iconoclast™Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005It is now 2:45 P.M. EST. A woman who was apparantely a former nurse of Terri's was just on CNN. She said that she and other nurses would give Terri physical therapy and Terri was able to move her limbs afterwards. The nurse heard Terri speak. Then Michael would come in and say, "Stop that. It's therapy." He would also say things like, "When is that bitch going to die?" And "Isn't she dead yet?" Michael would void the therapy orders. The nurse says she believes that with just a little more therapy, Terri could recover. She said Terri is brain dead. She is not PVS. The nurse said she was fired for not giving Terri correct care.

and there it is, scumbag hubby wants terry out of the way... not care, not concern, just out of the way, fucking prick,

When you don't know someone, it's hard to know when they're being sarcastic, especially on the computer.

True. Oftentimes, though, it's obvious when a joke is being made, but the lib just plows right past it and gets pissed off over the comment because they didn't get it for whatever reason. It happens more with libs than it does with cons, because libs in general have, honestly, less of a sense of humor about the issues than we do. Many of you debate from a much more serious perspective than the cons, and everything you say and do during the debate is colored by that.

Hey im-moder-rant, looks like you want to starve 60-70 percent of America. They disagree with you.

Poll: Most want Congress off Schiavo case WASHINGTON - About seven in 10 Americans say Congress inappropriately intervened in the case of a brain-damaged woman whose relatives disagree over whether she should be allowed to die, according to a new poll. About six in 10 said they agreed with the decision by a Florida judge to remove the feeding tube from 41-year-old Terri Schiavo, according to two polls out Monday.

As your hate-filled posts make clear, you are neither libertarian nor moderate.

Bon appetite!

Reply By: RightwingerPosted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005When you don't know someone, it's hard to know when they're being sarcastic, especially on the computer. True. Oftentimes, though, it's obvious when a joke is being made, but the lib just plows right past it and gets pissed off over the comment because they didn't get it for whatever reason. It happens more with libs than it does with cons, because libs in general have, honestly, less of a sense of humor about the issues than we do. Many of you debate from a much more serious perspective than the cons, and everything you say and do during the debate is colored by that

amen. see the above post from REGRESSIVE USA

Reply By: ProgressiveUSAPosted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005Hey im-moder-rant, looks like you want to starve 60-70 percent of America. They disagree with you. Poll: Most want Congress off Schiavo caseWASHINGTON - About seven in 10 Americans say Congress inappropriately intervened in the case of a brain-damaged woman whose relatives disagree over whether she should be allowed to die, according to a new poll.About six in 10 said they agreed with the decision by a Florida judge to remove the feeding tube from 41-year-old Terri Schiavo, according to two polls out Monday.As your hate-filled posts make clear, you are neither libertarian nor moderate.Bon appetite!

hey you finally show your face my old friend REGRESSIVE USA. at large... but I never commented one way or the other if congress should get involved, I just said death by starvation is cruel, But I am sure you think it's a fitting punishemnt of a brain dead woman, huh? and you comming in herew with nothing to offer but accusations about my behavior is LIBERAL HOW?

Look in the mirror and see what hate looks like..

I never commented one way or the other if congress should get involved, I just said death by starvation is cruel

Uh huh. And then you say "STARVE A LIBERAL" over & over. Advocating something you yourself deem cruel sounds pretty hateful to me. And not very moderate.

But I am sure you think it's a fitting punishemnt of a brain dead woman, huh?

You're 'sure,' but as usual, you are also wrong. If you think it's being handed down as 'punishment,' that's your hate talking, not the judges.

BTW, I posted my views (post #10) on terpfan's blog. You can read it here: Link

and you comming in herew with nothing to offer but accusations about my behavior is LIBERAL HOW?

Accusation? That you made a hate-filled statement? That you're neither libertarian nor moderate? That's not an accusation. The Framers would call that self-evident.

The police investigated the nurse's allegations and found them to be baseless.

This poor woman died a long time ago. Her family just keep killing her over and over, prolonging the torture. I believe that Congress had no business meddling in the court's affairs. I think her parents are selfish assholes for prolonging this. I think her husband tried all he could for the first number of years to get her properly rehab'd. Her parents tried to take care of her, but returned her to institutional care, because they couldn't. I think her husband is doing the right thing trying to let her die in peace. Removing the feeding tube and letting her die is not like letting starving children in a third world county die. She would just pass quietly, as her organs quietly shut down. At the end of life, people die from organ failure routinely as a result of lack of nutrition. This "starvation" thing is bullshit hype.

It's amazing to me that these same jerks who profess the sanctity of life, ie the dubya dummy, had no reservations putting retarded people to death in Texas. Just a bunch of pandering jerks trying to politicize a tragedy.

Just let the poor woman die already. Fer cryin' out loud........

Just realized I posted this to minisculeman's article. But, my sentiments are the same regarding Shiavo. And, they're the same regarding minisculeman and his continual inflammatory and insulting posts.

Dabe, do you have a living will? If so, could you do us all a favor and set it up to kick in at something around the level of "A Light Nap"...

If she is dead, then so were kids I worked with as a teen. It disgusts me to think that we are now equating mentally handicapped with "dead"...

Reply By: foreverserenityPosted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005It is so easy for anyone who is on the outside to sit and judge this man and what he's trying to do for his wife. No one but him and God, (yes, I'm bringing God into it) knows what his wife said to him. People, the nurses, the parents, strangers, will sit and speculate and accuse but they don't really know having not lived day to day, or minute to minute in their home. People will always be quick to jump on whatever band wagon they believe in, that's their right. But if you have never been in the position that Terry is in, a vegetative state, lying there, not knowing anything, how can she, she's literally dead. Her husband, despite whatever accusations are being thrown at him, is still that, her husband. He loves her, had a relationship with her and knew her while she was up and "kicking". Would you want to be in that position to have to decide that it's time for your spouse to die, time to pull the plug and not try anymore because there's no hope? Because everyday that she's kept alive, she's in pain and the detail of what they have to do to keep her alive, have not been disclosed for the public to know what her body is being put through (I might be wrong here, but I have yet to see).Regardless of what your opinions are, whatever the public may think, this is this family's pain. It should not have come to this, the parents are trying to hold on to her because she's their child and you can't blame them for this. But she has a husband, and therefore they should respect her wishes to not remain that way.Having been in this situation before my mom passed on last year, I know how hard this is for these people, and I know especially how hard it is for Terry. My friend is right at this moment in the same situation in NY wherein her mom is in a coma and dying and she has to make the decision that is best for her family. It's not an easy decision to make and it doesn't make the pain of it go away.Would I want the government to take this right away from me? No! Should they become involved? No! Now that I live in Florida, what the President has done will take away my rights.

hello serenity nice to see you, all I am advocating is NOT to starve her to death...nothing else.

Reply By: dabePosted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005Just realized I posted this to minisculeman's article. But, my sentiments are the same regarding Shiavo. And, they're the same regarding minisculeman and his continual inflammatory and insulting posts.

yep inflamed you are, try a nice suppository dabe,....and further more I do not think that letting someone starve to death is right, of course in dabe land it must be right because dabe says so.