Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Monday, March 21, 2005Someone isn't "choosing to die", an abandoned spouse is being starved to death on the word of the husband that abandoned her ten years ago. She's being torn away from a family more than willing to take care of her, by someone who has "moved on".I really don't care what you think of me Sandy, and I'll put my articles right up against yours in terms of which is more knee-jerk and "party line".

quite RIGHT.../ on the money the punk ass motherfucker has nothing to do with terry anyways, why is he allowed to kill her? painfully, slowly.

Reply By: azdruid(Anonymous User)Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005Well, there's a quite a lot of hostility floating around here. Why not just establish the fact that everyone has their own opinion and let it go...blah blah blah. Moderateman, IMO suggesting liberals die in the title of your article is just ASKING for a flame war. You wanted this conflict. Congratulations, you've succeeded. No? Just trying to express your opinion? Nonviolent motives are probably a better idea in the future.It's not my place to dictate how you write your articles, but I would appreciate a little respect. Understandably, JU is a bit more right-wing and I have to put up with that, but at least try to picture the other side of the point. The best way to make your case is to find out what your opponent has against you, and counter it.So you support keeping Terry alive. Please consider this: She's a vegetable. I do not support the murder of a conscious human being. However, Terry has slipped past that point, to which it would be a kindness to end her life. Starvation? Bad idea. I would support lethal injection, so to make sure that she suffered a quick and painless death. Alive, however, she is simply using resources that could be used to help a person with A CHANCE of getting better. She is serving no real purpose alive except to provoke debates such as this. Grow up.

I see, you think you know me??? and what I do. last time I checked america is still a free country, that allows me to express myself anyway I want... I will bet you think ward churchill is some kind of hero because of the way he speaks up huh? btw I am grown, pay my bills, own my home,yes own , not the bank, me and wife, have 3 grandkids I put money into their accounts for there future. YOU grow up... moron, yes I said moron

You are like an 8 year old child. Starve a Liberal!!!! !!!! hahaha he said starve a liberal!!! You know what? I hope that when I am brain dead, someone does starve me to death.

You keep talking about what you'd do in the situation, but you're forgetting something: that woman's not you.

By the way, I'd want to die if I was mentally ill or disabled. Does that mean that I could euthanize the mentally ill/disabled since they live demeaning lives and I'd want to die if I were in that position, and it'd be selfish to make anybody suffer such an existence? Remember, I'd want to die in a similar position, so that means that everybody would want to die in such a position.

Seriously though, I feel it is a constitutional right for osmeonbe to be able to choose to die. We are allowed to die for our country, but not allowed to die for our dignity?

What's funny is that nobody knows what she wants. It's all hearsay and speculation, yet you act as if you personally know what she wants. Why is that? Are you God?

I consider myself pretty consistently pro-death on most issues.

However, on this one, this should be common sense. The husband has clearly moved on. The parents want to take care of her. Why are liberals so quick to want her to die? Are liberals only concerned about killing innocent people? They seem to go to great lengths to defend the lives of convicted murderers. But an innocent woman being kept alive because her family wishes it?

"She's a vegetable. I do not support the murder of a conscious human being."

Oh, then by all means, lets execute the unconcious by lethal injection. Thousands of families caring for mentally disabled people would CRINGE at those words. Barbarians.

gee I wonder if the liberals thought this was a real article based on starving them.... if so DUH!!!

---Modman

Modman, you of all people should realize by now that the true liberals on here (Myrrander exempted...he's an annoying leftie, yes, but at least he can be funny) have no sense of humor or of irony. Such things just blow right on by them and set them all aflame with righteous, if misplaced, anger.

Though I agree in principal with letting Ms. Schaivo go in peace, I do agree that the starvation method is not the way to go.

Reply By: DraginolPosted: Monday, March 21, 2005I consider myself pretty consistently pro-death on most issues.However, on this one, this should be common sense. The husband has clearly moved on. The parents want to take care of her. Why are liberals so quick to want her to die? Are liberals only concerned about killing innocent people? They seem to go to great lengths to defend the lives of convicted murderers. But an innocent woman being kept alive because her family wishes it?

has anyone even noticed I have not said one way or the other how I think if she should live or die? I fugure that just ain't my job.

Reply By: messybuuPosted: Monday, March 21, 2005You are like an 8 year old child. Starve a Liberal!!!! !!!! hahaha he said starve a liberal!!! You know what? I hope that when I am brain dead, someone does starve me to death.You keep talking about what you'd do in the situation, but you're forgetting something: that woman's not you.By the way, I'd want to die if I was mentally ill or disabled. Does that mean that I could euthanize the mentally ill/disabled since they live demeaning lives and I'd want to die if I were in that position, and it'd be selfish to make anybody suffer such an existence? Remember, I'd want to die in a similar position, so that means that everybody would want to die in such a position.Seriously though, I feel it is a constitutional right for osmeonbe to be able to choose to die. We are allowed to die for our country, but not allowed to die for our dignity?What's funny is that nobody knows what she wants. It's all hearsay and speculation, yet you act as if you personally know what she wants. Why is that? Are you God?

good points all messybu.. I do not even begin to assume what she might HAVE wanted, it's just the way they are killing her. starvation is just to damn cruel.

Reply By: RightwingerPosted: Monday, March 21, 2005gee I wonder if the liberals thought this was a real article based on starving them.... if so DUH!!!---ModmanModman, you of all people should realize by now that the true liberals on here (Myrrander exempted...he's an annoying leftie, yes, but at least he can be funny) have no sense of humor or of irony. Such things just blow right on by them and set them all aflame with righteous, if misplaced, anger.Though I agree in principal with letting Ms. Schaivo go in peace, I do agree that the starvation method is not the way to go.

sourmyrr is my friend... and I like the crazies here lefties all. I just love tweaking their noses alla time. I could get behind a fast overdose of drugs, but starvation makes me kind of queasy.

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Monday, March 21, 2005"She's a vegetable. I do not support the murder of a conscious human being."Oh, then by all means, lets execute the unconcious by lethal injection. Thousands of families caring for mentally disabled people would CRINGE at those words. Barbarians.

I have a nephew that was condemned to be slow..retarded if you must say the word.... he is slow, yet thru patience he has made a sucess of his life, owns a home in lynbrook long island , 2 vibrant alert kids and a loving wife that he snagged I do not know how.. the thought of putting someone slow or brain dead down like some kind of peice of rotten meat enraGES ME.

I have a nephew that was condemned to be slow..retarded if you must say the word.... he is slow, yet thru patience he has made a sucess of his life, owns a home in lynbrook long island , 2 vibrant alert kids and a loving wife that he snagged I do not know how.. the thought of putting someone slow or brain dead down like some kind of peice of rotten meat enraGES ME

But your nephew is different....he functions, and is able to make a way for himself in the world. God bless him for it. Terri Schiavo is not able...she'll need round the clock care forever and ever amen. She will never again be able to function in the world as she once did. That, to me, is not life.

I have a nephew that was condemned to be slow..retarded if you must say the word.... he is slow, yet thru patience he has made a sucess of his life, owns a home in lynbrook long island , 2 vibrant alert kids and a loving wife that he snagged I do not know how.. the thought of putting someone slow or brain dead down like some kind of peice of rotten meat enraGES ME But your nephew is different....he functions, and is able to make a way for himself in the world. God bless him for it. Terri Schiavo is not able...she'll need round the clock care forever and ever amen. She will never again be able to function in the world as she once did. That, to me, is not life.

So you would tell her parents tough poop what you want...we're going to kill you daughter by starvation? What if someone told you that about one of *your* children?

Too many comments to read them all so if I repeat what has already been said, I apologize.  Here are my mixed feelings about the case:

If she did indeed say that she wouldn't want to go on that way, I think it is a crime to prolong her in that state, however, if she never put that desire in writing and only her husband who moved on pretty quickly is the source of that info, it becomes questionable.

If her husband has moved on and her parents want to care for her, why not let them?  However, I think her parents are being selfish.  Do they want to prolong her life for her sake or theirs?  I am betting the latter.

I am a quality of life person.  I personally would not want to go on like that.  If she is aware at all, I would think that would be hell to be trapped in your own body like that.  If the doctors give her pain meds to ease her pain until she passes, I personally think that is the most humane thing that can be done for her.

I don't see this as a conservative vs liberal issue at all and am saddened that the political divide has reduced things to the point of people seeing it that way.

That which we do the least of our citizens is the mark by which the society will be judged.

Wow Dr. Guy that’s a very liberal statement. What’s next advocating social programs and financial assistance for lesser among us?

To starve any living animal to death is cruel and unusual punishment. If you want to kill her, do so. Do not make her suffer to salve your conscious. if they would just over dose her I could let this go... it is the slow starvation that is driving me up a wall.

Just to clarify, according to her Doctors starvation for someone in her condition would actually be a very peaceful way to go.

So you would tell her parents tough poop what you want...we're going to kill you daughter by starvation? What if someone told you that about one of *your* children?

Well, I already said somewhere on one of these threads that, though I agreed in principle with letting her go, I didn't approve of the method they were using.
If they're going to do it, do it with drugs and finish it quickly.
I mean shit, we inject our Death Row prisoners with drugs to stop their heart and get it done and over with. Why should murderers have it better than this poor woman? Give her an overdose of morphine or something.

But doc, what about *your* kids? Would want one of them to lay there, forever, until they got old and died, maybe knowing something and maybe not, maybe reacting, maybe not? Or even worse, just "there", like a piece of furniture? No memories, warm or otherwise, of the past and no real hope for a future?
Or, would *you* want to lay there like that and let your family suffer the emotional stress of seeing the person they loved so much just....exist.....?

Reply By: RightwingerPosted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005I have a nephew that was condemned to be slow..retarded if you must say the word.... he is slow, yet thru patience he has made a sucess of his life, owns a home in lynbrook long island , 2 vibrant alert kids and a loving wife that he snagged I do not know how.. the thought of putting someone slow or brain dead down like some kind of peice of rotten meat enraGES MEBut your nephew is different....he functions, and is able to make a way for himself in the world. God bless him for it. Terri Schiavo is not able...she'll need round the clock care forever and ever amen. She will never again be able to function in the world as she once did. That, to me, is not life.

agreed about my nephew and about terry too, but it should not be the cheating husbands call anymore, not after having kids with another woman he waited a whole 2 months to start up with.{after terry was damaged}

Reply By: JillUserPosted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005Too many comments to read them all so if I repeat what has already been said, I apologize. Here are my mixed feelings about the case:If she did indeed say that she wouldn't want to go on that way, I think it is a crime to prolong her in that state, however, if she never put that desire in writing and only her husband who moved on pretty quickly is the source of that info, it becomes questionable.If her husband has moved on and her parents want to care for her, why not let them? However, I think her parents are being selfish. Do they want to prolong her life for her sake or theirs? I am betting the latter.I am a quality of life person. I personally would not want to go on like that. If she is aware at all, I would think that would be hell to be trapped in your own body like that. If the doctors give her pain meds to ease her pain until she passes, I personally think that is the most humane thing that can be done for her.I don't see this as a conservative vs liberal issue at all and am saddened that the political divide has reduced things to the point of people seeing it that way.

agreed jill and it is not a right vrs left issue {altho I do love tweaking the lefts nose} it a humane vrs inhumane issue.

Reply By: stubbyfingerPosted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005That which we do the least of our citizens is the mark by which the society will be judged.Wow Dr. Guy that’s a very liberal statement. What’s next advocating social programs and financial assistance for lesser among us?

nope not a liberal statement a HUMANE STATEMENT.

Modman, you of all people should realize by now that the true liberals on here (Myrrander exempted...he's an annoying leftie, yes, but at least he can be funny) have no sense of humor or of irony. Such things just blow right on by them and set them all aflame with righteous, if misplaced, anger.

When you don't know someone, it's hard to know when they're being sarcastic, especially on the computer.

has anyone even noticed I have not said one way or the other how I think if she should live or die? I fugure that just ain't my job.

But you have said how you think she shouldn't die. It's the same thing in reverse.

Reply By: Iconoclast™Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005has anyone even noticed I have not said one way or the other how I think if she should live or die? I fugure that just ain't my job.But you have said how you think she shouldn't die. It's the same thing in reverse

not even close icon.... now that the sentence is in and terry dies slowly, I can say yes she is better off dead, but starvation!!! please. We would not let an animal die like that let alone a human being, and she is human, damaged and all.

not even close icon.... now that the sentence is in and terry dies slowly, I can say yes she is better off dead, but starvation!!! please. We would not let an animal die like that let alone a human being, and she is human, damaged and all.

I thought this was about opinions.

It is so easy for anyone who is on the outside to sit and judge this man and what he's trying to do for his wife. No one but him and God, (yes, I'm bringing God into it) knows what his wife said to him. People, the nurses, the parents, strangers, will sit and speculate and accuse but they don't really know having not lived day to day, or minute to minute in their home. People will always be quick to jump on whatever band wagon they believe in, that's their right.

But if you have never been in the position that Terry is in, a vegetative state, lying there, not knowing anything, how can she, she's literally dead. Her husband, despite whatever accusations are being thrown at him, is still that, her husband. He loves her, had a relationship with her and knew her while she was up and "kicking". Would you want to be in that position to have to decide that it's time for your spouse to die, time to pull the plug and not try anymore because there's no hope? Because everyday that she's kept alive, she's in pain and the detail of what they have to do to keep her alive, have not been disclosed for the public to know what her body is being put through (I might be wrong here, but I have yet to see).

Regardless of what your opinions are, whatever the public may think, this is this family's pain. It should not have come to this, the parents are trying to hold on to her because she's their child and you can't blame them for this. But she has a husband, and therefore they should respect her wishes to not remain that way.

Having been in this situation before my mom passed on last year, I know how hard this is for these people, and I know especially how hard it is for Terry. My friend is right at this moment in the same situation in NY wherein her mom is in a coma and dying and she has to make the decision that is best for her family. It's not an easy decision to make and it doesn't make the pain of it go away.

Would I want the government to take this right away from me? No! Should they become involved? No! Now that I live in Florida, what the President has done will take away my rights.

Now that I live in Florida, what the President has done will take away my rights.

And isn't it interesting that the Governor of Florida is President Bush's brother?

First of all, if I missed this in the replies, I apologize for reposting it. I didn't have the time to read them all. Someone asked so you decide who lives and who dies? and that is an interesting question.. My point is this.. aren't we play God by keeping her alive in the first place? I'm not expressing my opinion on the subject, that isn't relevant.. but to let her die is playing God? Maybe I'm confused but we're intervening and preventing the natural course of things..(Yes, it happens every day for millions of people, I'm not against it one bit).. Isn't that playing God?

What you missed is they're *not letting* her die. By forcing the removal of the feeding tube they are *forcing* her to die. Now you want to talk about playing God? Then what would you call this? Also if giving her food and water is playing God, then you must play God daily.