I agree with many of your posts, except for that part. Water-boarding is torture in my book.
Well according to the President of the United States of America, the United States Congress, and the international Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners, signed by most contries including Canada, it is not torture. But, you are free to think and believe what you wish.
While I agree he motivated them into making a terrorist strike, I don't think he was the mastermind behind that strike. He just tells them: "You gotta do something, because Islam tells us X, Y and Z". The rest is up to the terrorist's imagination and capacity.
But that was not what he was doing. He is giveing the orders to do it. You should do something is different from do this now.
I doubt the technical experts in bombmaking are that common nor as easy to contact. These are the critical targets.
It is such a pity you do not read or watch the news. The NYC bomber was trained in Pakistan and sent back to the USA to await orders. When he got them from the dear sweet innocent IMAM he did what he was trained to do. His only mistake was he set the timer for 7 AM instead of 7 PM or their would be a lot of dead people. He was trying to kill people who were out on the town, sightseers, tourist. That does not make him a bad bomb maker it makes him a typical person that did not pay attention to one small part of his mission. He was suspposed to be in the air on his way home when the bomb went off. Other than that one mistake the bomb would have worked. Where the hell are you getting your news from?
But if you have managed to center on a suspect terrorist, isn't catching his playmates the key figure, so you can see exactly who are connected to the whole web?
Looking at it your way means a lot of wasted time and effort. When you monitor someone you have to check out each and every person he comes in contact with. Look he bumped into that lady on the street, was that a bump pass of information? Do a background check on her and her family. Look he bought a news paper at that stand. Check out everyone that uses that news paper stand. Do you see how time consuming that can be? It means the government has to get warrents for each and every peorson he comes in contact with the entire time he is being watched. On the other hand if you pull the mutt in and interrogate him, he will tell you the names of all the people he works with.
Don't be stupid. No one in the Intel business actually believes this.
Funny you should say that. I know at least two people at JU that are in the Intel business, They must be stupid along with everyone that works at DIA, CIA, FBI, DHS and NSA because they all beleave it. It is basic policy.
You watch him. If he procure himself explosive, you make sure he only get his hand on dummy ones, or you arrest him at the convenient time. In the meanwhile, you watch and take notes.
Now that you mentioned this, you are right they are that stupid. they watched a guy in NYC, he flew to Denver to buy and test his bomb. While watching him they did a background check on him and one of the people that we interviewed happend to be a terrorist working with him and he tipped him off to the investigation so we had to arrest him. That was in the news about a few months ago? That did not work so good and we ended up losing not gaining terrorists.
Cikomyr, you have too much common sense for your own good. You have to put it on a table and walk away to understand the idiots in charge of the US these days. Instead of doing what would seem obvious (and you stated), they would make sure it makes front page news in the Ny Crimes!
Stupid is as stupid does. And this administration is as stupid as they come.
Don't be too hard on him Doc, he really does not understand, he was brought up to think the way he does and the facts are a cold hard slap in his face.
Seriously. The people in charge of your Intel are intelligent people. And they will take the intelligent decisions. They've always had, and always will. There is little margin of available decisions anyway.
You don't climb to the top spot as a dummy.
Oh, how I wish that were true. This is the resume of the Director of Homeland Security
In 1991, while a partner with the private Phoenix law firm Lewis and Roca LLP, Napolitano served as an attorney for Anita Hill. Anita Hill testified in the U.S. Senate that then U.S. Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas had sexually harassed her ten years earlier when she was his subordinate at the federal EEOC
In 1993, Napolitano was appointed by President Bill Clinton as United States Attorney for the District of Arizona. As U.S. Attorney, she was involved in the investigation of Michael Fortier of Kingman, Arizona, in connection to the Oklahoma City bombing. She ran for and won the position of Arizona Attorney General in 1998. Her tenure focused on consumer protection issues and improving general law enforcement.
While still serving as attorney general, she spoke at the 2000 Democratic National Convention just three weeks after having a mastectomy. Napolitano recalls that the pain was so unbearable that she couldn't stand up. "Work and family helped me focus on other things while I battled the cancer," says Napolitano. "I am very grateful for all the support I had from family, friends and Arizonans."
Please show me where she had any intelligence training, My first class of over 300 classes on Counter-terrorism in the Marines makes me more qualified than she is and she is my current boss. Does she listen to people with experience? NOPE! She sets policy that we all have to follow. She sets the pace, she defines what is important. Did she serve in the military, did she work for CIA, FBI, NSA? no. She is a political appoitee who got the job because she is a woman that lost her last election to a republican. Please tell me what great accomplishments got her to the positon of Director of my nations security?
