Honestly UB should be banned outright. Extremely overpowered and poorly designed demigod, never weak at any point in the game, highest speed, highest armor, best stun in game, a free dps ability that also reduces aa by a ridiculous amount. Unlike some demigods who might be powerful in small battles and weak in large battles or vice versa, or weak early game and strong late game, UB is always OP, be it 2v2, 5v5, early game or late.

Sedna too because she's extremely overpowered in small battles like 2v2, the heal is way too strong in these situations and not only until the extreme lategame (which 99% of games don't get to) does it become weak. Add in the insane regen, priest heals, and high speed (not to mention possibly a cloak of night), it becomes retarded.

I can guarantee 99% of teams will have either ub or sedna on their team every game.

I'd take Oak and Erebus over UB and Sedna in a 2v2 any day.

I lol'd

Hahaha, is Reg still overpowered busdue?

Late game speed stack sedna w pounce can take outplays ub in 2v2

I'll admit that Queen + UB is probably the strongest combination out there, but it isn't that much stronger than TB + Occ and I see TB + Occulus being just as competitive through the vast majority of the game, especially when you consider that Uberfix is being used so Occulus' Brain Storm cures Spit and Ground Spikes.

The weakness of both these teams is that they lack multiple interrupts (with the except of a TB with Frost Nova and Deep Freeze) and UB's is a melee interrupt which limits its effectiveness to a certain degree (if you stand back all the way on a flag you can safely lock it if you start when you see him come out of fog of war. Unless he has Wand of Speed or something). 

If I were to rate the current teams, as I see them:

1- Queen + UB

2- TB + Occulus

3- Queen + Rook

4- Sedna + TB

5- Oak + Reg

6- Erebus + DA

I don't think my team will.  So, your guarantee is crap.  At most it could be 96% in our tourney now.   

My 2 favs from hedgie's list are oak + reg and erb + da though.  The ganking potential on erb + da is gross and they have 2 interrupts. 

I'm not looking forward to speed stack sed + tb though... so annoying, but good for 2v2 sometimes. 

You guys and your talk, and speculations

indeed.  Time will tell.

I've almost finished coding the magical "bracket" and then I'll randomly assign team positions.  Hopefully I can finish that off tomorrow.

We haven't officially picked a starting date at this point either.  We should...uh... probably do that.

or actually -  i just did the brackets now.  stay tuned.

forums go boom.... 2nd attempt:

So - here is what we agreed upon using for the brackets (eg bracket layout, not teams):

And here is what I generated AT RANDOM using exactly 1 attempt:

I'll update the op once the forums are playing nice...

OK - so the OP update worked this time.  So, we need to discuss scheduling.  When will our tourney start?  Please keep in mind that I have no intention, whatsoever, to schedule any matches in round 1 outside of my team.  I will be opening up another thread (and will link to it here) that will cover round 1 results and replays.  I figure I'll keep that thread updated with the current standings as results come in. 

So, if you look at the bracket, you'll see that round 1 is more or less broken up into 2 parts.  I'm thinking we could set a window of time for everyone to get their games in for the first part of round 1, and then to the same for the second part of round 1.  We could try to make the windows of time pretty generous, like say 1 week.  Then, it would be on the players to schedule their own matches (using this thread, voice chat, or pm) to book a time.  Once we get down to the semi finals and finals, then we'll schedule a specific time for those games (in case we magically end up live broadcasting or anything fancy like that).  The downside of forcing the players to schedule their own time windows is determining what to do with the teams that either can't get a game in over 1 week (which I'd think should be possible). 

We also need to have a few people that would be impartial judges in the event of a crash/invalid game state and someone wants a review.  I can handle that in most circumstances, but I shouldn't be the judge for any of my games if that occurs.  Anyone willing to volunteer that feels like that have a good grasp on whether or not a "come back" is possible?

^I'll do it, since I can do it at 5am in the morning while I'm multitasking. I'm also the alternate for Janook, considering he's part of the lovely GM.

You know I love you pacov (at least I hope you do), but I don't think the brackets will jive with many people.

I think it makes more sense to split the top tier teams among the 8 colours.

We have 8 teams with Tier 1 players (Although there are a few other strong pairs in there):

McShane & Orcun

King_of_Thorns & Zen_God

pacov & trousersnake

Kalel & RAWRRR

cow & jaws

janook & magnus

hedgie & thunder

mith & renz

It's probably the best to split them among the 8 colours, just so we don't lose any of the good teams from the beginning. I'd hope for the matches to get better and better as each round passes.

I think for now, Ninki, it's simple. We need to get this thing underway. I think for future tournies, doing a double-elimination format (possibly with seeds since this gives us a good idea for seeding placement) will be better/easier. I do see the bottom half of the brackets as being a little bit weaker than the top half (only cow + jaws, pacov + trouser, mith + renz).

That said, there are plenty of room for surprises and upsets, especially with Demigod and it's crashing ways. Also, a lot of the "top" players are used to playing Oak, Erebus, Beast, Rook. Not so much the others. This may give weaker players an advantage because they might be much more familiar with their demigod selection. 

Not that I'm trying to be cocky or anything. .-. I'm lined up against Orcun for his second game so that'll be a bit of a challenge ^^;

To be blunt, the bottom half is not going to get exciting until the semi-finals, which is a long way from now.

If you really want to stick with these brackets, I think you'll have to randomize it in Round 2 too.

PS. HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY HEDGIE!!!

Hey pacov. I'm letting you know that Ba294's partner, Kiamori, won't be making it to the tourny. He said he's out. Also, my partner synnworld said he'e can't make it neither. So me and Ba294 decided to team up and we  already started training. Thats what i was trying to tell you in the lobby earlier. Since we'r going up against each others team, I think we should just advanced to next around or use a 24 team chart, which ever you like. That would solve our problem, Thanks!

I've created randomly assigned teams so players that wanted to participate and couldn't find a partner could do so.  I created a bracket based on feedback and the request of players.  And I randomly assigned positions in the bracket so that everyone would have a fair shake of where they would be. 

I'm fine with entertaining additional ideas, but I think your approach might be missing a few angles.  I created the tier 1/2 thread and openly admit its biased.  Its based on who I feel are the best players based on exposure and many happen to agree.  That's not to say its correct.  So, I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think a change is necessarily fair or appropriate.

Take a look at the brackets exactly as they are now.  By the time we reach the 2nd part of round 1, out of all of the teams that you listed, only either rawrrrr+kalel or janook+magnus would be out (if all the other tier 1 teams win) because of randomly facing off against each other in the first part of round 1.  Then, in the 2nd part of round 2, most of those teams would be fighting it out.  So, we are really talking about a 1 round difference.  And at least this way, its random, which is probably the most fair way to do it, in my opinion. 

All of that said, if you want to take the time to do a mock up of what you are proposing, please do so and we can discuss.

If that's the case, then I'm ok with that Atma.  I'll have to look at things to figure out what to do.  I can tell you I'd rather not create a 24 man bracket after building this one... annoying stuff.

I like the way where all pros will eliminate each other in first 2 rounds while u will be fighting the easiest group out there. Clever thinking mate

rawrrrr+kalel or janook+magnus would have to figth teeser+ke5trel to get to new round while u only need to face random people who never played together before. Not to mention Csonti66 have only 6 loses so far and 420 favor points.

Now tell me hows that fair??

I would disagree that it's a 1 round difference.

I don't know how to make brackets with pretty colours So here's my proposed bracket:

1. Sebacoyl & Maxsteel32 vs. Passfail & Prozombe (with RAWRRRR & KalelSmX with the freebie)

2. Atma44x & Ba294 vs. Bad_Wong & AsTheRuinsFall (with Zen_God & KoT with the freebie)

3. Kollecktir & Naur vs. FutileEmotion & Tshuges (with Orcun & Shane with the freebie)

4. howboutnooo & grahf666 vs. McGreg & Busdude (with hedgie & thunder with the freebie)

5. Teseer & Ke5trel vs. brandon_Varn & taco (with Cow & Jaws with the freebie)

6. haxthias & achilles vs. csonti & smoking (with Mithrandar & Renz with the freebie)

7. shred & aborn vs. Jorune & Ouch (with pacov & Trouser with the freebie)

8. baddaddy & Chiefy vs. jon & macc (with janook & magnus with the freebie)

We talked it over with a couple of people to make sure it's fair for the most part.

I would agree with Ninki's idea.  Just looks like it makes better round 3 / 4 / 5 games to make the tournament more exciting as it goes along.  Also I would say Ninki is slightly more impartial in this lol.  Regardless of whether you did it random or not, it realllly was in your favor with a straight shot to the semifinals.

Hey Pacov, if brandon can't pay the full amount or whatever, I'll pay the remaining to at least up the winning to $100. I don't want to bump it up too much because I want to double the winning for my GM kids