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NEW Patch Stat Changes Forums [NEW TOPIC: CAPITAL SHIPS!! 1/2/10]

For Sins Version 1.19 and Entrenchment 1.05

October 29, 2009 3:11 AM from

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Hey everyone its that time again, lets compile some data!

This is a post that I will update regularly to give the DEVS a better idea of what people think should be done to stats in the next patch. This is ONLY for patches, no new ships or elaborate concepts for the next expansion. This is for dealing with peoples’ concerns about balance. If there’s a balance idea you have that’s not on here, post it and I’ll put it up for voting if it seems valid. I love the fact that ICO pays attention to the forums and what people suggest, I’d like to make it easier for them. The idea is to have all ideas posted straight forward and ranked so the DEVS don’t have to sift through pages and pages to find popular ideas. SP and MP players are both welcome to comment. Post yay or nay for any idea you like or dislike (be specific please) or say no fix needed. If you’d like I’ll also insert specific values you may come up with. Some votes will be taken from other threads.

BUGS

Since the last patches release, the main complaint I've seen on the forums are in the form of bugs, so I'm compiling a list of the known ones, and will update the list as more are discovered. Some of the early bugs were fixed in the hotfix, and perhaps (fingers crossed) the Devs will release another hotfix to address the rest, rather than a whole new patch. So here it goes:

- Nano Weapons Jammer autocast AI casts continuously

- AM Recharger autocast AI casts continuously

- Illuminator causes mystery damage between shots

- Phasic Trap research Level 2 still has no effect.

- Orkulus Phase Stabilizer does not work on stars.

- Random Map Bugs:

- Single Phase lane starts

- No connected Asteroids

- Overlapping Gravity Wells

- Backwards Dunov Icon

- Pathing Improvements (specifically dealing with stationary obstacles)

- Orkulus commands cancelled when trade ships dock

- No wave cannon sounds on Kortul

- Resource extractors on HWs produce income before they're constructed.

- PAWELOS BUG HUNTING

- Siege Militia/pirates run from turrets before construction is complete (exploit).

CAPITAL SHIPS

This will be a large section that will continue to evolve through out the life of this thread so check back often for new topics. Consensus seems to think now that carrier caps have all been buffed, many of the other caps need to be brought up to par with them.

Buff Battleship Class(Kol/Radiance/Kortul)

Increase hp/shields/armor?-

   Yay- Volt_Cruelerz(20-25%) Darvin3 Deceiver_0
   CallenExile MindsEye Swordsalmon
   Hrabandur CrazyElectron Ryat
   Arthanis Warlord Mike   Onigiri

Nay-

Increase DPS?-

   Yay- Volt_Cruelerz(20-25%) Darvin3 Deceiver_0
   MindsEye     Swordsalmon   CallenExile
   Hrabandur     CrazyElectron   Ryat
     Arthanis   Warlord Mike

Nay- Onigiri

Buff Gauss Rail Gun?-

   Yay- Volt_Cruelerz(800/1200/1600) Darvin3 Deceiver_0
   CallenExile      MindsEye    Swordsalmon
   CrazyElectron     Ryat    Arthanis
      Warlord Mike

Nay- Hrabandur Onigiri

Re-work Animosity?

   Yay- Volt_Cruelerz Darvin3 Deceiver_0
   MindsEye   Swordsalmon Ryat
   Arthanis     Warlord Mike

Nay- CallenExile Hrabandur Onigiri

No Change needed- CoBBQ

Colonizer Caps(Akkan/Progenitor/Jarrasul)

Buff Jarrasul Evacuator's colonize?

   Yay- Darvin3 Volt_Cruelerz Deceiver_0
   Swordsalmon Agent of Kharma   Hrabandur
   Ryat     Arthanis   Warlord Mike
   Onigiri

Nay- CallenExile MindsEye

No Change needed-

Carrier Class Caps(Sova/Halcyon/Skirantra)

Buff Scramble Bombers?

   Yay- Darvin3 Volt_Cruelerz Deceiver_0
   MindsEye   Swordsalmon Agent of Kharma
   Hrabandur   Ryat   Arthanis
   Warlord Mike

Nay- CallenExile Onigiri

Buff Replicate Forces?

Yay- Arthanis Warlord Mike Onigiri

Nay-

No Change needed-

Buff Support Class Caps(Dunov/Antorak/Rapture/Revelation)

Increase AM regen?

   Yay- Darvin3   Hrabandur   CrazyElectron
   Ryat   Juletron Arthanis
   Warlord Mike   Swordsalmon

Nay- CallenExile Mindseye Onigiri

Increase maximum AM?

   Yay-   CallenExile Darvin3    Hrabandur
   Mindseye Volt_Cruelerz   CrazyElectron
   Juletron   Arthanis   Warlord Mike

Nay- Ryat Swordsalmon Onigiri

Increase Dunov EMP range?

   Yay-   CallenExile Mindseye Volt_Cruelerz
   CrazyElectron   Ryat Juletron
      Arthanis     Warlord Mike   Swordsalmon

Nay- Hrabandur Onigiri

Allow Dunov shield restore to be self targetable?

Yay- Mindseye CrazyElectron Juletron
Arthanis Deceiver_0

Nay- Ryat Volt_Cruelerz Warlord Mike
Swordsalmon Onigiri

Allow Antoraks subversion to effect SC?

Yay- Mindseye Juletron Volt_Cruelerz
Arthanis Warlord Mike Onigiri

Nay- Ryat Swordsalmon

Buff Phase out hull?

                               Yay- Mindseye Juletron   Volt_Cruelerz
      Arthanis     Warlord Mike Swordsalmon

Nay- Ryat Onigiri

No Change Needed-

DELIVERANCE ENGINE

Without a doubt the weakest of the superweapons, there is little point in seeking it. For too long its been sitting in a dusty box on the shelf, to weak to be worth its tremendous costs. Lets consider some buffs to at least make it functional as a weapon. The one buff thats been suggested that I like is an instant allegiance drop, which will aid Advent in cultural takeovers of border planets and with enough, could possibly overthrow an enemy planet (though Id say it should require many more than the fearsome novalith)

Buff Deliverance engine-

Cause an instant decrease in allegiance?

                                    Yay-           Deceiver_0 Kitkun Greyfox2
   anteachtaire Mow Mow Warlord Mike
     Hrabandur     Arthanis

Nay- Howdidudothat

No buff needed- Qu4r Darvin3 CallenExile

EMPIRE TREE

As I feel that the devs decision to put "Phase Jumping" ships at the top of the tree was purposeful and not a bug, I think most of us agree that the constant movement it creates (especially with phase monitoring!) makes the empire tree difficult to use. Move it to the bottom?

Adjust Empire Tree-

Move "Phase Jumping Ships" to the bottom of the tree?

                                    Yay-           Deceiver_0               Darvin3                  SwordSalmon
                                                     JSW_Ballz                Mindseye                Agent of Kharma
                                                     Ryat                      52500                    Mow Mow
                                                     Fuzzy Logic              EadTaes                 Warlord Mike
                                                     Hrabandur               Howdidudothat        -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician    Arthanis

Nay- CallenExile

FIGHTERS

Some are unsatisfied with fighters with regards to surviving flak. I urge everyone to read the points of debate between Mindseye and myself starting on page 10-11, to get a better understanding of why fighters should or should not be adjusted. Below are a few suggestions

Buff Fighters-

Increase armor/hp?

Yay- Mindseye Mow Mow Greyfox2
Qu4r Arthanis

                                  Nay-             Deceiver_0               Darvin3                  Ryat
                                                     Top Vasari               Warlord Mike           EadTaes
                                                     Hrabandur                Howdidudothat        -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician Agent of Kharma CallenExile
     CrazyElectron

MAPS

Raging Amish has proposed some modest changes to maps that I think we could possibly have implemented with enough support, so lets get a vote to see what people think of them. Magnetic clouds are huge wastes of space as their is nothing terribly beneficial about them. People with ability heavy fleets and caps would opt to fight you somewhere else (and can do so without much penalty). They make awful chokepoints because you can't put starbases or mines there, and they offer no economic value. I'd like to hear some ideas on how to improve them (beyond removing them completely from the game as RA has suggested). If we can come up with some good ones I'll put them up for a vote. In the meantime, I think one should at least be able to construct Starbases here, so I'll put that up as a topic. Also, all too often we see Ice and Volcanic planets (which require research to colonize) offering you only 2 resource mines for the trouble of colonizing them. Personally I don't think that PLANETS should have less resources to offer than an asteroid. What do you think?

Magnetic Clouds-

Allow starbase deployment?

                                    Yay-            Deceiver_0            Darvin3          Hrabandur
Juletron          Howdidudothat Warlord Mike
                                                      DirtySanchezz          Kitkun Qu4r
   CrazyElectron

Nay- Ryat CallenExile EadTaes
DesConnor -Ue_Carbon Chaotic Magician

Ice/Volcanic planets-

Change minimum mines to 3 (currently 2)?

                                   Yay-             Deceiver_0              Swordsalmon           Ryat
                                                    Darvin3                   Juletron                  Mindseye
                                                      Mow Mow                 EadTaes                 JSW_Ballz
                                                      Howdidudothat         Warlord Mike          Kitkun
                                                      Ovi_187                  -Ue_Carbon            Chaotic Magician
   CrazyElectron

Nay- CallenExile DesConnor DirtySanchezz
Hrabandur Agent of Kharma Qu4r

No Changes needed-

ORKULUS STARBASE

This topic is going to be heavy on the debate, and will likely be updated several times with NEW votable options throughout the life of this thread. Now, I think it's safe to say that we're beyond the point of the DEVS making a Vasari Assault cruiser and making the Orky stationary. So if thats what you think should happen thats fine, but it would be more useful for everyone if you hada second opinion on the Orky and voted on the issues below.

Nerf Orkulus-

Increase build penalty in hostile wells? (currently 2.25x unupgraded)

Yay- Greyfox2 Raging Amish(3x) Mindseye
Arthanis

                                     Nay-          Deceiver_0                 Cykur                    Howdidudothat
                                                     Top Vasari                  Swordsalmon         Ryat
                                                     anteachtaire               LordMechanoid       JSW_Ballz
                                                     Warlord Mike              Agent of Kharma    DesConnor
                                                     DirtySanchezz             Kitkun                   Qu4r
                                                     52500                        Hrabandur            -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician Qu4r CallenExile

Other-

SB constructors trigger phase monitoring alarm? ("Hostile forces are inbound")

                                    Yay-          Mindseye                    Deceiver_0            Howdidudothat
                                                    Top Vasari    Cykur                   LordMechanoid
                                                    Warlord Mike               DirtySanchezz        Kitkun
                                                    52500                         Hrabandur            -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Chaotic Magician CallenExile   CrazyElectron
      Arthanis

Nay- JSW_Ballz DesConnor Qu4r

SCOUT FRIGATES

A hotly debated topic right now on the forums, none can deny their increased presence on the MP battlefield. As the cheapest buildable unit in the game, as well as being tier 0, its utility against long ranged frigates has been thoroughly exploited. The question remains, is it balanced? This topic will be split into two sections, a general section for a blanket nerf and a more specific section for interspecies balance. The reason for this is that some think scouts need to be weaker in general, whike other think they need to be balanced on par wtih TEC scouts.

Nerf Scouts-

Decrease hp/shields?

Yay-

Nay- DirtySanchezz Cykur Arthanis

Decrease DPS?

Yay- DirtySanchezz Greyfox2 Mindseye
Arthanis

Nay- Cykur

Increase Cost/supply?

Yay- Mindseye Cykur Swordsalmon

Nay- DirtySanchezz Arthanis

No Nerf Needed-                              Deceiver_0                 Wingflier            Howdidudothat
                                                     Darvin3                      Ryat                 CallenExile
                                                     Chaotic Magician        Agent of Kharma Sivcorp
                                                     52500                       JSW_Ballz           LordMechanoid
                                                     Kitkun                       Hrabandur          -Ue_Carbon
   Qu4r CrazyElectron

Balance Scouts-

Decrease Seeker Vessels Hp/shields/armor?

                                     Yay-         Deceiver_0                 Wingflier             Mow Mow
                                                    Swordsalmon              Darvin3               Ryat
                                                    Greyfox2                    52500                 JSW_Ballz
                                                    Cykur                        Top Vasari           LordMechanoid
                                                    Kitkun                        Hrabandur          -Ue_Carbon
   Qu4r CrazyElectron   Arthanis

Nay- DirtySanchezz Howdidudothat CallenExile

Decrease Seeker Vessels DPS?

Yay- Swordsalmon DirtySanchezz Howdidudothat
Greyfox2 Hrabandur Qu4r

                                     Nay-         Wingflier                    Darvin3               Ryat
                                                     CallenExile                52500                 JSW_Ballz
                                                   Cykur                       LordMechanoid     Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon   CrazyElectron   Arthanis

Decrease Jikara Navigator cost/supply?

                                     Yay-         Deceiver_0               Wingflier              Howdidudothat
                                                    CallenExile                 52500                  LordMechanoid
                                                    Hrabandur Qu4r

                                     Nay-         Swordsalmon              DirtySanchezz       Darvin3
                                                    Ryat                          Chaotic Magician   JSW_Ballz
                                                    Cykur                        Greyfox2 Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon CrazyElectron Arthanis

Increase Jikara Navigator DPS?

                                     Yay-         Mow Mow                   Swordsalmon         Howdidudothat
                                                    Ryat                         Chaotic Magician     52500
                                                    JSW_Ballz        Hrabandur      -Ue_Carbon
   Qu4r   CrazyElectron    Arthanis

                                     Nay-         Wingflier                   DirtySanchezz        Darvin3
                                                    CallenExile                Cykur                   Greyfox2
                                                    LordMechanoid           Kitkun

Increase Jikara Navigator hp/shields?

                                     Yay-         Mow Mow                  Darvin3                  Ryat
                                                    Chaotic Magician   Sivcorp                   Top Vasari
                                                    Kitkun                      Hrabandur              -Ue_Carbon
   Qu4r CrazyElectron   Arthanis

Nay- CallenExile JSW_Ballz Cykur
LordMechanoid

No Balance Needed- Agent of Kharma EadTaes DesConnor

RAVASTRA SKIRMISHERS

While the most expensive light frigate in both resources and supply, these ships have the worst DPS per supply. With the recent buff to all light frigs, Cobalts and Disciples are now delivering on the tasks they're meant to, yet skirmishers are still struggling. So what should be done?

Buff Skirmishers-

                            Increase DPS?

                                      Yay-        Deceiver_0        Darvin3 52500
                                                    Cykur                       Chaotic Magician   Top Vasari
                                                    Howdidudothat           Wingflier              Swordsalmon
                                                    Juletron                     Ryat                   Sivcorp
                                                    DirtySanchezz             GreyFox2    Raging Amish
CallenExile Mindseye            JSW_Ballz
                                                    Warlord Mike              lbgsloan             Mow Mow
                                                    EadTaes                    DesConnor          Kitkun
                                                    Agent of Kharma        Hrabandur           -Ue_Carbon
   Qu4r   CrazyElectron    Arthanis

Nay- LordMechanoid

Decrease Supply cost?

Yay- Raging Amish LordMechanoid Hrabandur
Qu4r

                                      Nay-        Deceiver_0                Darvin3               52500
                                                    Cykur                       Chaotic Magician   Top Vasari
                                                    Howdidudothat           Wingflier             Swordsalmon
                                                    Juletron                    Ryat                    CallenExile
                                                    Mindseye    JSW_Ballz            Warlord Mike
                                                    lbgsloan                   Mow Mow              Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon   CrazyElectron    Arthanis

Decrease Resource cost?

Yay- 52500 Warlord Mike

                                      Nay-        Darvin3                     Cykur                Chaotic Magician
                                                    Top Vasari                 Howdidudothat    Wingflier
                                                    Swordsalmon             Juletron              Ryat
                                                    DirtySanchezz             Raging Amish     CallenExile
Mindseye                   JSW_Ballz           LordMechanoid
                                                    lbgsloan                    Kitkun                Hrabandur
                                                    -Ue_Carbon   Qu4r     Arthanis

Adjust Reintegration autocast AI to activate earlier?

                                      Yay-        Deceiver_0               Darvin3           52500
                                                    Chaotic Magician    Top Vasari           Howdidudothat
                                                    Wingflier                  Swordsalmon       Juletron
                                                    Ryat                        Sivcorp               Runesia
                                                    DirtySanchezz           GreyFox2    Raging Amish
                                                    CallenExile Mindseye            JSW_Ballz
                                                    Warlord Mike            lbgsloan             Mow Mow
                                                    EadTaes                  Kitkun                 Agent of Kharma
                                                    Hrabandur               -Ue_Carbon Qu4r
   CrazyElectron      Arthanis

Nay- LordMechanoid

No Change Needed-

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Reply #101 November 11, 2009 6:30 PM from

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Magnetic clouds are good places to have strikecraft heavy fleets try and make a stand against ability heavy fleets. I've seen em used as such a couple times. They are graveyards for capitals which live and die by their abilities.

I think the problem with lava / ice isn't that they have only 2 extractors, I think the problem is asteroids shouldn't ever have 3...they should only have 1 or 2. A string of asteroids at the beginning of a match can give one person a huge advantage.

Reply #102 November 11, 2009 6:41 PM from

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On the nerf Scouts section: Put me down for no nerf needed.

On the nerf Advent/buff Vas Scouts section:

Reply #103 November 11, 2009 7:30 PM from

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I'd put in my opinion into

- Decreasing Seeker HP/Shields

- Increasing Navigator DPS

I'd also like to *slightly* increase Navigator HP/Shield in relation to the other two scouts, but its not on there so

Reply #104 November 11, 2009 7:30 PM from

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Scout Balance

Decrease Seeker HP/Shields?

Yay (If Disciple isn't nerfed)

Decrease Seeker DPS?

Yay

Decrease Jikara's supply/cost?

Nay

Increase Jikara's DPS?

Yay

If a decision to nerf the Disciple Vessel gains a majority, please remove my vote to decrease Seeker's HP/Shields. Currently, Advent has both the best LF and Scout, so one or the other has to be weakened.

Reply #105 November 11, 2009 8:15 PM from

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Nerf Scouts-

Decrease hp/shields? Nay

Decrease DPS? Yay

Increase Cost/supply? Nay

Balance Scouts-

Decrease Seeker Vessels Hp/shields? Nay

Decrease Seeker Vessels DPS? Yay if other scouts' DPS is similarly decreased, otherwise Nay.

Decrease Jikara Navigator cost/supply? Nay

Increase Jikara Navigator DPS? Nay

Reply #106 November 11, 2009 8:44 PM from

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Nerf Scouts-

No Nerf Needed-

Balance Scouts-

Decrease Seeker Vessels Hp/shields?

Nay-

Decrease Seeker Vessels DPS?

Yay-

Decrease Jikara Navigator cost/supply?

Yay-

Increase Jikara Navigator DPS?

Yay-

Reply #107 November 11, 2009 8:56 PM from

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Nerf Scouts:

no change needed

Balance Scouts:

yay to decrease seeker hp/shield
nay to decrease seeker dps
nay to decrease navigator supply
nay to increase navigator dps
yay to increase navigator hp/shield (please add this; I think many people will agree)

You also may want to add as an option "decrease seeker armour". It should be noted that for some reason the seeker his higher armour than other scout types (TEC=1, Vas=1.5, Adv=2). I personally find the Vasari scout's dps is within reason, the problem is that they're too fragile for their cost.

Reply #108 November 11, 2009 9:55 PM from

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Scouts in general need no nerf

as for Balance

yes to decrease Seeker hp/shield

nay to decrease of seeker dps

nay to decrease navigator supply

yes to increase of navigator dps

yes to increase of navigator hp/shields

Reply #109 November 11, 2009 10:14 PM from

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Decrease Navigator Supply to match the other 2. Or at least tell us why all vasari ships take so much supply in the 1st place?

Nay to other scout topics.

Side note:Has anyone ever had a ship try to leave a gravity well without going to phase space? I had a Kol do it once a coupe years ago, and today, a Cobalt turned its nose straight down from my capitol planet and just went for it. (I concequentially scuttled it, desertion is after all a capitol offense.)

Reply #110 November 11, 2009 10:35 PM from

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Scout nerfing: Nay

Balancing scouts:

*I will pass judgement on the seeker for now, as I haven't played Advent in a while*

-Nay to decrease of navigator supply

+Yay to increase of navigator dps (though not a large increase)

+Yay to increase of navigator hp/shields (personally, I think that this may be the issue with the Vas scout, rather than the dps)

Reply #111 November 12, 2009 12:31 AM from

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Scout nerfing: NO NERF NEEDED.

Balancing scouts: NO BALANCING NEEDED.

Reply #112 November 12, 2009 10:36 AM from

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Scout nerf: NAY

Scout Balance:

NEEDS ADDED - Re-balance scout armor: YAY

increase navigator HP/shields: YAY

Scout armor should be as follows - Tec 1.5, Vas 2, Advent 1

DO NOT decrease the hp/shields of any of the scouts!!!!

They need to survive when doing their job. (scouting)

Reply #113 November 12, 2009 10:43 AM from

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As to scouts, I say DPS nerf all around although navigator does not as much need it. I believe in general they should keep their health for what should be their main function(scouting to those that didn't know) but the seeker in particular could use a hp nerf if the dps is not decreased. I would not be in favor of a navigator dps or supply buff. Navigators are useful enough as is with neutrals. The cost and supply does not need changed. DPS decrease is needed rather than health in my opinion.

[_]-Greyfox

Reply #114 November 12, 2009 10:48 AM from

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I either agree with grey or say supply increase.This would keep scouts good for early early lrf rush as a counter but hamper making fleets of them and make mil much more enticing.

Reply #115 November 12, 2009 10:59 AM from

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Nerf Scouts

No Nerf Needed

Balance Scouts

Decrease Seeker Vessels Hp/shields?

Decrease Seeker Vessels DPS?

Decrease Jikara Navigator cost/supply

Increase Jikara Navigator DPS?

Reply #116 November 13, 2009 3:58 PM from

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These are my opinions on the matters at hand. Take them as you will.

Nerf Scouts:
Yay - No Nerf Needed

Balance Scouts:
Yay - Decrease Seeker Vessels Hp/shields/armor?
Nay - Decrease Seeker Vessels DPS?
Nay - Decrease Jikara Navigator cost/supply?
Yay - Increase Jikara Navigator DPS?
Nay - Invrease Jikara Navigator hp/shields?

Buff Skirmishers:
Yay - Increase DPS?
Nay - Decrease Supply cost?
Nay - Decrease Resource cost?
Yay - Adjust Reintegration autocast AI to activate earlier?
(This last one sounds more like a bug fix than a balance, but I definetly want it to happen.)

Reply #117 November 13, 2009 4:38 PM from

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for scouts yay to decreasing seekers hp/sheilds and armour. y

and yay to increase jikara Navigators dps.

Reply #118 November 13, 2009 7:06 PM from

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Nerf Scouts-

Decrease hp/shields?

Nay-

Decrease DPS?

Nay-

Increase Cost/supply?

Yay- The problem is not that scouts do too much damage...the problem is that they are too cheap. All scouts should cost about 250cr and take 3 supply. You still want scouts to be able to fight a bit or shoot down mines, but you don't want the cost / efficiency ratio to be so low that you reward players for spamming a level 0 unit.

Balance Scouts-

Decrease Seeker Vessels Hp/shields/armor?

Yay- Seekers are out of line health wise...they could stand to lose about 150 hp/shields.

Decrease Seeker Vessels DPS?

Nay-

Decrease Jikara Navigator cost/supply?

Nay- All scouts should cost about this much, there is no reason to make Vasari scouts just as spammable as the other races....you want to make the other races scouts less spammable.

Increase Jikara Navigator DPS?

Nay- It already does more damage.

Invrease Jikara Navigator hp/shields?

Nay-

To explain my reasoning, I think the current problem with scouts is not that they are too tough, it is that they are too cheap. They should all cost roughly 250cr and take 3 supply. Because scouts are so cheap and fast building, it is no big deal for an Advent / TEC player to keep 50 of them in their fleet for LRF suppression and to use as a general meat shield for more valuable ships.

I don't think you should nerf the fighting stats of all the scouts because they still need to fill their role of fighting over neutrals, hunting down things like colonizers, and sweeping minefields. A cost/supplyl increase doesn't really noticeably affect people who don't spam tons of scouts. And you don't need to make the Vasari scout tougher, then you get Vasari spamming scouts more than any other ship because all of the other Vasari ships have bad cost efficiencies. Instead, just bring the cost of other races scouts in line with what the Vasari scout costs.

If the cost was a bit higher and scouts all took 3 supply, they would still be viable to make as an emergency counter, but they would be less desirable as an optimized spam strategy. The whole point is to reward people for teching up to more powerful ships, not rewarding them for building tons of the weakest ship in the game.

Reply #119 November 14, 2009 6:41 PM from

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An error is that on the Sova infocard, it says that it does 3 laser damage, and then below that it says that it does 30 laser damage. I don't know you consider typos to be bugs, but it is confusing.

Reply #120 November 14, 2009 7:20 PM from

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I think the sova does different laser damage from different laser batteries. At least, that's what i've always assumed since it does have 2 facing forward. I think those are the different ones. (Don't know if the side-mounted ones do the larger damage, though. If i'm even right.)

Reply #121 November 14, 2009 8:39 PM from

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Scouts - Balance OR Nerf: I ain't touching that one.

Skirmishers:

Increase DPS? Not just yes, but HELL yes. Horribly, horribly underpowered...
Decrease Supply Cost? Hmm...nah. If you're going to, though, it should only be decreased by 1 - and the Assailant MUST follow suit, as well.
Decrease Resource Cost? Maybe just a tad - not by much, though (lower credit limit = 350, ideally 400; lower metal limit = 50, ideally 60).
Adjust Reintegration? As it stands, I never see much point in getting it (because I don't notice it working well enough). If this happened, I might reconsider, so yes.

Reply #122 November 15, 2009 10:36 PM from

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I would like to have my vote changed a bit.

Nerf Scouts

Increase cost/supply-Yay

Reply #123 November 16, 2009 4:41 PM from

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To clarify, I also vote nay on any navigator buff and yay on a seeker dps nerf.

[_]-Greyfox

Reply #124 November 16, 2009 10:51 PM from

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Bug: Strike craft freezing up (unresponsive to move and attack orders) for undetermined amount of time in enemy grav-wells (have not seen it happen on home court). Occurs in single player and multi player, usually late game.

Reply #125 November 16, 2009 11:50 PM from

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I haven't had that happen. Which race were you fighting? I think Advent have an ability that keeps them in place, but i'm not sure, and i know Vasari can stop their weapons from firing, but not stop the squadrons from moving.

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