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NEW Patch Stat Changes Forums [NEW TOPIC: CAPITAL SHIPS!! 1/2/10]

For Sins Version 1.19 and Entrenchment 1.05

October 29, 2009 3:11 AM from

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Hey everyone its that time again, lets compile some data!

This is a post that I will update regularly to give the DEVS a better idea of what people think should be done to stats in the next patch. This is ONLY for patches, no new ships or elaborate concepts for the next expansion. This is for dealing with peoples’ concerns about balance. If there’s a balance idea you have that’s not on here, post it and I’ll put it up for voting if it seems valid. I love the fact that ICO pays attention to the forums and what people suggest, I’d like to make it easier for them. The idea is to have all ideas posted straight forward and ranked so the DEVS don’t have to sift through pages and pages to find popular ideas. SP and MP players are both welcome to comment. Post yay or nay for any idea you like or dislike (be specific please) or say no fix needed. If you’d like I’ll also insert specific values you may come up with. Some votes will be taken from other threads.

BUGS

Since the last patches release, the main complaint I've seen on the forums are in the form of bugs, so I'm compiling a list of the known ones, and will update the list as more are discovered. Some of the early bugs were fixed in the hotfix, and perhaps (fingers crossed) the Devs will release another hotfix to address the rest, rather than a whole new patch. So here it goes:

- Nano Weapons Jammer autocast AI casts continuously

- AM Recharger autocast AI casts continuously

- Illuminator causes mystery damage between shots

- Phasic Trap research Level 2 still has no effect.

- Orkulus Phase Stabilizer does not work on stars.

- Random Map Bugs:

- Single Phase lane starts

- No connected Asteroids

- Overlapping Gravity Wells

- Backwards Dunov Icon

- Pathing Improvements (specifically dealing with stationary obstacles)

- Orkulus commands cancelled when trade ships dock

- No wave cannon sounds on Kortul

- Resource extractors on HWs produce income before they're constructed.

- PAWELOS BUG HUNTING

- Siege Militia/pirates run from turrets before construction is complete (exploit).

CAPITAL SHIPS

This will be a large section that will continue to evolve through out the life of this thread so check back often for new topics. Consensus seems to think now that carrier caps have all been buffed, many of the other caps need to be brought up to par with them.

Buff Battleship Class(Kol/Radiance/Kortul)

Increase hp/shields/armor?-

   Yay- Volt_Cruelerz(20-25%) Darvin3 Deceiver_0
   CallenExile MindsEye Swordsalmon
   Hrabandur CrazyElectron Ryat
   Arthanis Warlord Mike   Onigiri

Nay-

Increase DPS?-

   Yay- Volt_Cruelerz(20-25%) Darvin3 Deceiver_0
   MindsEye     Swordsalmon   CallenExile
   Hrabandur     CrazyElectron   Ryat
     Arthanis   Warlord Mike

Nay- Onigiri

Buff Gauss Rail Gun?-

   Yay- Volt_Cruelerz(800/1200/1600) Darvin3 Deceiver_0
   CallenExile      MindsEye    Swordsalmon
   CrazyElectron     Ryat    Arthanis
      Warlord Mike

Nay- Hrabandur Onigiri

Re-work Animosity?

   Yay- Volt_Cruelerz Darvin3 Deceiver_0
   MindsEye   Swordsalmon Ryat
   Arthanis     Warlord Mike

Nay- CallenExile Hrabandur Onigiri

No Change needed- CoBBQ

Colonizer Caps(Akkan/Progenitor/Jarrasul)

Buff Jarrasul Evacuator's colonize?

   Yay- Darvin3 Volt_Cruelerz Deceiver_0
   Swordsalmon Agent of Kharma   Hrabandur
   Ryat     Arthanis   Warlord Mike
   Onigiri

Nay- CallenExile MindsEye

No Change needed-

Carrier Class Caps(Sova/Halcyon/Skirantra)

Buff Scramble Bombers?

   Yay- Darvin3 Volt_Cruelerz Deceiver_0
   MindsEye   Swordsalmon Agent of Kharma
   Hrabandur   Ryat   Arthanis
   Warlord Mike

Nay- CallenExile Onigiri

Buff Replicate Forces?

Yay- Arthanis Warlord Mike Onigiri

Nay-

No Change needed-

Buff Support Class Caps(Dunov/Antorak/Rapture/Revelation)

Increase AM regen?

   Yay- Darvin3   Hrabandur   CrazyElectron
   Ryat   Juletron Arthanis
   Warlord Mike   Swordsalmon

Nay- CallenExile Mindseye Onigiri

Increase maximum AM?

   Yay-   CallenExile Darvin3    Hrabandur
   Mindseye Volt_Cruelerz   CrazyElectron
   Juletron   Arthanis   Warlord Mike

Nay- Ryat Swordsalmon Onigiri

Increase Dunov EMP range?

   Yay-   CallenExile Mindseye Volt_Cruelerz
   CrazyElectron   Ryat Juletron
      Arthanis     Warlord Mike   Swordsalmon

Nay- Hrabandur Onigiri

Allow Dunov shield restore to be self targetable?

Yay- Mindseye CrazyElectron Juletron
Arthanis Deceiver_0

Nay- Ryat Volt_Cruelerz Warlord Mike
Swordsalmon Onigiri

Allow Antoraks subversion to effect SC?

Yay- Mindseye Juletron Volt_Cruelerz
Arthanis Warlord Mike Onigiri

Nay- Ryat Swordsalmon

Buff Phase out hull?

                               Yay- Mindseye Juletron   Volt_Cruelerz
      Arthanis     Warlord Mike Swordsalmon

Nay- Ryat Onigiri

No Change Needed-

DELIVERANCE ENGINE

Without a doubt the weakest of the superweapons, there is little point in seeking it. For too long its been sitting in a dusty box on the shelf, to weak to be worth its tremendous costs. Lets consider some buffs to at least make it functional as a weapon. The one buff thats been suggested that I like is an instant allegiance drop, which will aid Advent in cultural takeovers of border planets and with enough, could possibly overthrow an enemy planet (though Id say it should require many more than the fearsome novalith)

Buff Deliverance engine-

Cause an instant decrease in allegiance?

                                    Yay-           Deceiver_0 Kitkun Greyfox2
   anteachtaire Mow Mow Warlord Mike
     Hrabandur     Arthanis

Nay- Howdidudothat

No buff needed- Qu4r Darvin3 CallenExile

EMPIRE TREE

As I feel that the devs decision to put "Phase Jumping" ships at the top of the tree was purposeful and not a bug, I think most of us agree that the constant movement it creates (especially with phase monitoring!) makes the empire tree difficult to use. Move it to the bottom?

Adjust Empire Tree-

Move "Phase Jumping Ships" to the bottom of the tree?

                                    Yay-           Deceiver_0               Darvin3                  SwordSalmon
                                                     JSW_Ballz                Mindseye                Agent of Kharma
                                                     Ryat                      52500                    Mow Mow
                                                     Fuzzy Logic              EadTaes                 Warlord Mike
                                                     Hrabandur               Howdidudothat        -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician    Arthanis

Nay- CallenExile

FIGHTERS

Some are unsatisfied with fighters with regards to surviving flak. I urge everyone to read the points of debate between Mindseye and myself starting on page 10-11, to get a better understanding of why fighters should or should not be adjusted. Below are a few suggestions

Buff Fighters-

Increase armor/hp?

Yay- Mindseye Mow Mow Greyfox2
Qu4r Arthanis

                                  Nay-             Deceiver_0               Darvin3                  Ryat
                                                     Top Vasari               Warlord Mike           EadTaes
                                                     Hrabandur                Howdidudothat        -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician Agent of Kharma CallenExile
     CrazyElectron

MAPS

Raging Amish has proposed some modest changes to maps that I think we could possibly have implemented with enough support, so lets get a vote to see what people think of them. Magnetic clouds are huge wastes of space as their is nothing terribly beneficial about them. People with ability heavy fleets and caps would opt to fight you somewhere else (and can do so without much penalty). They make awful chokepoints because you can't put starbases or mines there, and they offer no economic value. I'd like to hear some ideas on how to improve them (beyond removing them completely from the game as RA has suggested). If we can come up with some good ones I'll put them up for a vote. In the meantime, I think one should at least be able to construct Starbases here, so I'll put that up as a topic. Also, all too often we see Ice and Volcanic planets (which require research to colonize) offering you only 2 resource mines for the trouble of colonizing them. Personally I don't think that PLANETS should have less resources to offer than an asteroid. What do you think?

Magnetic Clouds-

Allow starbase deployment?

                                    Yay-            Deceiver_0            Darvin3          Hrabandur
Juletron          Howdidudothat Warlord Mike
                                                      DirtySanchezz          Kitkun Qu4r
   CrazyElectron

Nay- Ryat CallenExile EadTaes
DesConnor -Ue_Carbon Chaotic Magician

Ice/Volcanic planets-

Change minimum mines to 3 (currently 2)?

                                   Yay-             Deceiver_0              Swordsalmon           Ryat
                                                    Darvin3                   Juletron                  Mindseye
                                                      Mow Mow                 EadTaes                 JSW_Ballz
                                                      Howdidudothat         Warlord Mike          Kitkun
                                                      Ovi_187                  -Ue_Carbon            Chaotic Magician
   CrazyElectron

Nay- CallenExile DesConnor DirtySanchezz
Hrabandur Agent of Kharma Qu4r

No Changes needed-

ORKULUS STARBASE

This topic is going to be heavy on the debate, and will likely be updated several times with NEW votable options throughout the life of this thread. Now, I think it's safe to say that we're beyond the point of the DEVS making a Vasari Assault cruiser and making the Orky stationary. So if thats what you think should happen thats fine, but it would be more useful for everyone if you hada second opinion on the Orky and voted on the issues below.

Nerf Orkulus-

Increase build penalty in hostile wells? (currently 2.25x unupgraded)

Yay- Greyfox2 Raging Amish(3x) Mindseye
Arthanis

                                     Nay-          Deceiver_0                 Cykur                    Howdidudothat
                                                     Top Vasari                  Swordsalmon         Ryat
                                                     anteachtaire               LordMechanoid       JSW_Ballz
                                                     Warlord Mike              Agent of Kharma    DesConnor
                                                     DirtySanchezz             Kitkun                   Qu4r
                                                     52500                        Hrabandur            -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician Qu4r CallenExile

Other-

SB constructors trigger phase monitoring alarm? ("Hostile forces are inbound")

                                    Yay-          Mindseye                    Deceiver_0            Howdidudothat
                                                    Top Vasari    Cykur                   LordMechanoid
                                                    Warlord Mike               DirtySanchezz        Kitkun
                                                    52500                         Hrabandur            -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Chaotic Magician CallenExile   CrazyElectron
      Arthanis

Nay- JSW_Ballz DesConnor Qu4r

SCOUT FRIGATES

A hotly debated topic right now on the forums, none can deny their increased presence on the MP battlefield. As the cheapest buildable unit in the game, as well as being tier 0, its utility against long ranged frigates has been thoroughly exploited. The question remains, is it balanced? This topic will be split into two sections, a general section for a blanket nerf and a more specific section for interspecies balance. The reason for this is that some think scouts need to be weaker in general, whike other think they need to be balanced on par wtih TEC scouts.

Nerf Scouts-

Decrease hp/shields?

Yay-

Nay- DirtySanchezz Cykur Arthanis

Decrease DPS?

Yay- DirtySanchezz Greyfox2 Mindseye
Arthanis

Nay- Cykur

Increase Cost/supply?

Yay- Mindseye Cykur Swordsalmon

Nay- DirtySanchezz Arthanis

No Nerf Needed-                              Deceiver_0                 Wingflier            Howdidudothat
                                                     Darvin3                      Ryat                 CallenExile
                                                     Chaotic Magician        Agent of Kharma Sivcorp
                                                     52500                       JSW_Ballz           LordMechanoid
                                                     Kitkun                       Hrabandur          -Ue_Carbon
   Qu4r CrazyElectron

Balance Scouts-

Decrease Seeker Vessels Hp/shields/armor?

                                     Yay-         Deceiver_0                 Wingflier             Mow Mow
                                                    Swordsalmon              Darvin3               Ryat
                                                    Greyfox2                    52500                 JSW_Ballz
                                                    Cykur                        Top Vasari           LordMechanoid
                                                    Kitkun                        Hrabandur          -Ue_Carbon
   Qu4r CrazyElectron   Arthanis

Nay- DirtySanchezz Howdidudothat CallenExile

Decrease Seeker Vessels DPS?

Yay- Swordsalmon DirtySanchezz Howdidudothat
Greyfox2 Hrabandur Qu4r

                                     Nay-         Wingflier                    Darvin3               Ryat
                                                     CallenExile                52500                 JSW_Ballz
                                                   Cykur                       LordMechanoid     Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon   CrazyElectron   Arthanis

Decrease Jikara Navigator cost/supply?

                                     Yay-         Deceiver_0               Wingflier              Howdidudothat
                                                    CallenExile                 52500                  LordMechanoid
                                                    Hrabandur Qu4r

                                     Nay-         Swordsalmon              DirtySanchezz       Darvin3
                                                    Ryat                          Chaotic Magician   JSW_Ballz
                                                    Cykur                        Greyfox2 Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon CrazyElectron Arthanis

Increase Jikara Navigator DPS?

                                     Yay-         Mow Mow                   Swordsalmon         Howdidudothat
                                                    Ryat                         Chaotic Magician     52500
                                                    JSW_Ballz        Hrabandur      -Ue_Carbon
   Qu4r   CrazyElectron    Arthanis

                                     Nay-         Wingflier                   DirtySanchezz        Darvin3
                                                    CallenExile                Cykur                   Greyfox2
                                                    LordMechanoid           Kitkun

Increase Jikara Navigator hp/shields?

                                     Yay-         Mow Mow                  Darvin3                  Ryat
                                                    Chaotic Magician   Sivcorp                   Top Vasari
                                                    Kitkun                      Hrabandur              -Ue_Carbon
   Qu4r CrazyElectron   Arthanis

Nay- CallenExile JSW_Ballz Cykur
LordMechanoid

No Balance Needed- Agent of Kharma EadTaes DesConnor

RAVASTRA SKIRMISHERS

While the most expensive light frigate in both resources and supply, these ships have the worst DPS per supply. With the recent buff to all light frigs, Cobalts and Disciples are now delivering on the tasks they're meant to, yet skirmishers are still struggling. So what should be done?

Buff Skirmishers-

                            Increase DPS?

                                      Yay-        Deceiver_0        Darvin3 52500
                                                    Cykur                       Chaotic Magician   Top Vasari
                                                    Howdidudothat           Wingflier              Swordsalmon
                                                    Juletron                     Ryat                   Sivcorp
                                                    DirtySanchezz             GreyFox2    Raging Amish
CallenExile Mindseye            JSW_Ballz
                                                    Warlord Mike              lbgsloan             Mow Mow
                                                    EadTaes                    DesConnor          Kitkun
                                                    Agent of Kharma        Hrabandur           -Ue_Carbon
   Qu4r   CrazyElectron    Arthanis

Nay- LordMechanoid

Decrease Supply cost?

Yay- Raging Amish LordMechanoid Hrabandur
Qu4r

                                      Nay-        Deceiver_0                Darvin3               52500
                                                    Cykur                       Chaotic Magician   Top Vasari
                                                    Howdidudothat           Wingflier             Swordsalmon
                                                    Juletron                    Ryat                    CallenExile
                                                    Mindseye    JSW_Ballz            Warlord Mike
                                                    lbgsloan                   Mow Mow              Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon   CrazyElectron    Arthanis

Decrease Resource cost?

Yay- 52500 Warlord Mike

                                      Nay-        Darvin3                     Cykur                Chaotic Magician
                                                    Top Vasari                 Howdidudothat    Wingflier
                                                    Swordsalmon             Juletron              Ryat
                                                    DirtySanchezz             Raging Amish     CallenExile
Mindseye                   JSW_Ballz           LordMechanoid
                                                    lbgsloan                    Kitkun                Hrabandur
                                                    -Ue_Carbon   Qu4r     Arthanis

Adjust Reintegration autocast AI to activate earlier?

                                      Yay-        Deceiver_0               Darvin3           52500
                                                    Chaotic Magician    Top Vasari           Howdidudothat
                                                    Wingflier                  Swordsalmon       Juletron
                                                    Ryat                        Sivcorp               Runesia
                                                    DirtySanchezz           GreyFox2    Raging Amish
                                                    CallenExile Mindseye            JSW_Ballz
                                                    Warlord Mike            lbgsloan             Mow Mow
                                                    EadTaes                  Kitkun                 Agent of Kharma
                                                    Hrabandur               -Ue_Carbon Qu4r
   CrazyElectron      Arthanis

Nay- LordMechanoid

No Change Needed-

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Reply #51 November 5, 2009 3:16 PM from

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I'm not sure this is a bug or not. But whenever I tell my fleet to make a phase jump as a group some of my ships dont start to jump unti,l after all the others have left the gravity well.

Reply #52 November 5, 2009 3:59 PM from

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the only thing that should be changed with the skirm. is the autocast; with that fixed those other changes may very well not be needed. When I modded the ability to cut in earlier it seemed that it helped out the balance tremendously.

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Reply #53 November 5, 2009 4:13 PM from

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Quoting 52500, reply 38

What about the random map generator that attaches one GW to another with a phase lane the goes stright up from the middle. Nothing can make that jump so whatever is trying just keeps ping ponging back and forth in the GW.

you can travel, you just need to use the z-axis function. Most ppl. don't even know about it.

Reply #54 November 5, 2009 4:16 PM from

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for the skirmisher

yay

nay

yay

Reply #55 November 5, 2009 4:40 PM from

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you can travel, you just need to use the z-axis function. Most ppl. don't even know about it.

I have mine set up, and no. it still didnt work.

Reply #56 November 5, 2009 4:43 PM from

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Yes to all the skirmisher changes- I already had that, a couple of lines before the turret comments?

On turrets, I wouldn't like to encourage their use in MP as they are. If they were at most half the cost, then they might have a limited role to play in the very early game- against the problematic scout/light frigate rush. However, isn't this what T1 defence should be for? It's okay for them to be overwhelmed later, as long as they perform their function when they should. As there are a few stages of the tech tree devoted to them, it's annoying for them to be so overpriced- they can't move at all, even in space. Phase engine costs should be a large % of the cost of ships.

Also, like other changes, if units are not being used, it doesn't harm the game to drop the cost. The very early rush is a deterrent to players who might otherwise play online. I know that currently new players don't get what they expect from their starting fixed defences- but if experience with other RTS games has led them to believe that a higher level of early defence is what they should get, then I would say that is justified, and that it is the idiosyncrasy of the game that has let them down.

Reply #57 November 5, 2009 6:30 PM from

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Skirms

Reply #58 November 5, 2009 8:34 PM from

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Skirms:

DPS: Yay

Supply: Nay

Resources: Nay

Adjust Reintegration: Yay

Also I think you should have a vote in there to buff reintegration, though activating it early would help, it still seems pretty weak to me in most situations.

Reply #59 November 5, 2009 8:59 PM from

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Quoting 52500, reply 55

you can travel, you just need to use the z-axis function. Most ppl. don't even know about it.
I have mine set up, and no. it still didnt work.

then idk, I guess it just doesn't like you, bummers.

Reply #60 November 5, 2009 11:12 PM from

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Skirmisher:

DPS Increase: Yay

Supply Decrease: Nay

Resource Decrease: Nay

Reintegration AI: Yay

Reply #61 November 6, 2009 4:36 AM from

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Skirmisher

Yay for DPS increase and better reintegration AI. Nay for the rest.

Siege frigates are still useless. If they were buffed to be as good as they were in patch v1.02 (the uber SF of doom) they would be much better but since people use scouts so much, their strength may not be an issue. I might be completely and totally wrong, but any feedback on this idea?

Reply #62 November 6, 2009 5:03 AM from

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Siege frigates are used more commonly for cleanup now. As I said before, they're the same old unit. They still die much too quickly to be used in a real combat situation, but they are more effective as a clean-up squad due to their higher damage.

Reply #63 November 6, 2009 7:36 AM from

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So people actually use SFs now. Interesting. I haven't seen this yet, but I suspect that I might.

Reply #64 November 6, 2009 8:40 AM from

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I found another bug: Vasari SB with trade ports forget its commands (like move orders) when trade ships dock to SB.

And if to improve reintegration AI on skirmishers also improve it on skurwases because its usless on auto.

Reply #65 November 6, 2009 8:57 AM from

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skirmishers

ya for damage increase

na for cost decrease

na for supply decrease

ya for Reintergation ability

Reply #66 November 6, 2009 3:37 PM from

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As for balancing skirmishers, could you add an option for "make other adjustments so as to balance skirmishers 'by race,' not 'by unit'?"

As for siege frigs, I do not support any more buffs to this unit. I don't know why a minimum number of pro-ish types insist on ruining the game for the majority of players. Does this make good business sense, or any other type of sense?

Reply #67 November 6, 2009 3:51 PM from

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Skirmishers -

Yeh for for DPS increase

Yeh for Reintergation trigger early (and for HC too!)

I'd also like to see a DPS increase in Vas Scouts....

Reply #68 November 6, 2009 4:20 PM from

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I'd also like to see a DPS increase in Vas Scouts....

I'm sure the topic of scouts will come up.

Reply #69 November 6, 2009 10:00 PM from

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As for siege frigs, I do not support any more buffs to this unit.

I haven't seen this unit used online yet, so I thought that it may have been still useless. Apparently is isn't so my concern was addressed.

To balance skirms by race, the Vasari should get superior flak or something. This would mean that Vasari destroy enemy SC faster, but destroy the carriers themselves more slowly.

Reply #70 November 7, 2009 1:55 AM from

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Quoting JuleTron, reply 69

I haven't seen this unit used online yet, so I thought that it may have been still useless. Apparently is isn't so my concern was addressed.

Hi JuleTron, my comment wasn't targetted at you specifically, just the crowd in general who want a return to uber siege frigs of doom. My point has always been - sure, they will be happy if that happens, but what about everyone else? It doesn't make much sense to please a small crowd while driving everyone else away from the game.

As to whether the unit is useless or not, it depends on who you ask, and what you are looking for. People who want uber siege frigs of doom will consider the unit useless until it returns to back that state. Others (like me) find it useful even weaker than it was before it was just buffed. "How can that be?" you ask. Because we view the role of the siege frig as a unit which comes into a grav well AFTER ENEMIES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED, and bombs the planet down. The other side views it as an attacking unit, able to charge into a grav well with enemy ships all around, and withstand a pounding while it bombs the planet into oblivion.

A difference in philosophy, if you will, but I guess its a topic for another thread.

Reply #71 November 7, 2009 12:33 PM from

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So the Skirmisher might need buffing. But why, and does it solve a problem? IMO, the new problem is: Advent scout & Disciple rushing (no labs required). And Illums remaining overpowered.

In 1.18, all of the LFs got buffed (by about 5.8%). But Advent Disciples cost much less, in both fleet & $'s (4 fleet), than the Vasari Skirmisher (7). So the Disciple recieved a proportionally much bigger buff (almost twice as much)!

I'm not convinced that buffing Skirmisher's DPS will solve anything. Fixing Reintergration might help the HC vs Illum issues, but it won't help repelling an early game scout rush. I would favor a command decrease, but that is such a major change that I hesitate to recommend it.

So yeah, the Skirmisher should have been buffed on par with other LFs. But I doubt that it is the solution to anything!

Reply #72 November 7, 2009 1:08 PM from

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While the illuminators remain bugged I refuse to take Advent- I'm surprised that the Disciples were already only 4 supply, thanks Sage. It seems low enough for a light frigate, though I'd reduce the Cobalt to 4 and the Skirmisher to 6- if not 5. Also, isn't it very odd to have one light frigate nearly twice the supply of another..? Drone hosts are only 50% more supply with their extra squadron.

A buff to turrets would help stop the very early T1 rush, as it is the reason the rush can't be stopped is because turrets aren't properly priced, so they aren't playing their role. The lack of range wouldn't be as important if you could afford twice as many, and it would hardly affect the game much beyond the early stages.

Reply #73 November 9, 2009 11:11 AM from

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Correct me if i am wrong but Kortul wave guns dont play any sound when firing. Maybe it is just me or maybe it is a bug, but i dont hear any sound when Kortul fires its waves.

In regular Sins wave sound on kortul works, but not on Entrenchment.

Reply #74 November 9, 2009 11:15 AM from

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Yes to increasing the damage

No to decreasing the cost

No to decreasing the supply

Yes for improving the AI's Reintigration casting

Reply #75 November 9, 2009 4:22 PM from

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well i would like to comment on ilum causing mystery dmg between shot based on a calculator dmg of my own which is very different from any dps chart most ppl using.

basically, ilum's beam is classified as long range weapon that equals 5x the numeric dmg listed on the infocard on each shot.and towers is classified as equals 6x the numeric dmg on the infocard.my guess for the mysterious dmg on ilums is that there's a bug/mechanics failure in ilum's beam where it was considered the same as Advent's Beam Platform's beam thus explains the ghostly extra dmg for x5 being shot as x6

for skirms, i just wanna improve AI's timing for Reintegration it should start that damned Reintegration as soon skirms hull entered 65%

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