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Hey everyone its that time again, lets compile some data!

This is a post that I will update regularly to give the DEVS a better idea of what people think should be done to stats in the next patch. This is ONLY for patches, no new ships or elaborate concepts for the next expansion. This is for dealing with peoples’ concerns about balance. If there’s a balance idea you have that’s not on here, post it and I’ll put it up for voting if it seems valid. I love the fact that ICO pays attention to the forums and what people suggest, I’d like to make it easier for them. The idea is to have all ideas posted straight forward and ranked so the DEVS don’t have to sift through pages and pages to find popular ideas. SP and MP players are both welcome to comment. Post yay or nay for any idea you like or dislike (be specific please) or say no fix needed. If you’d like I’ll also insert specific values you may come up with. Some votes will be taken from other threads.

BUGS

Since the last patches release, the main complaint I've seen on the forums are in the form of bugs, so I'm compiling a list of the known ones, and will update the list as more are discovered. Some of the early bugs were fixed in the hotfix, and perhaps (fingers crossed) the Devs will release another hotfix to address the rest, rather than a whole new patch. So here it goes:

- Nano Weapons Jammer autocast AI casts continuously

- AM Recharger autocast AI casts continuously

- Illuminator causes mystery damage between shots

- Phasic Trap research Level 2 still has no effect.

- Orkulus Phase Stabilizer does not work on stars.

- Random Map Bugs:

              - Single Phase lane starts

              - No connected Asteroids

              - Overlapping Gravity Wells

- Backwards Dunov Icon

- Pathing Improvements (specifically dealing with stationary obstacles)

- Orkulus commands cancelled when trade ships dock

- No wave cannon sounds on Kortul

- Resource extractors on HWs produce income before they're constructed.

- PAWELOS BUG HUNTING

- Siege Militia/pirates run from turrets before construction is complete (exploit).

 

CAPITAL SHIPS

This will be a large section that will continue to evolve through out the life of this thread so check back often for new topics. Consensus seems to think now that carrier caps have all been buffed, many of the other caps need to be brought up to par with them.

Buff Battleship Class(Kol/Radiance/Kortul)

                          Increase hp/shields/armor?-

                                     Yay-           Volt_Cruelerz(20-25%)  Darvin3                Deceiver_0
                                                      CallenExile               MindsEye                 Swordsalmon
                                                      Hrabandur                CrazyElectron           Ryat
                                                      Arthanis                   Warlord Mike           Onigiri

                                     Nay-

                          Increase DPS?-

                                     Yay-           Volt_Cruelerz(20-25%)  Darvin3                Deceiver_0
                                                      MindsEye                 Swordsalmon           CallenExile
                                                      Hrabandur               CrazyElectron           Ryat
                                                       Arthanis                 Warlord Mike

                                     Nay-           Onigiri

                          Buff Gauss Rail Gun?-

                                     Yay-           Volt_Cruelerz(800/1200/1600)  Darvin3       Deceiver_0
                                                      CallenExile              MindsEye                  Swordsalmon
                                                      CrazyElectron           Ryat                        Arthanis
                                                      Warlord Mike

                                     Nay-            Hrabandur              Onigiri

                          Re-work Animosity?

                                     Yay-           Volt_Cruelerz           Darvin3                   Deceiver_0
                                                      MindsEye                Swordsalmon            Ryat
                                                      Arthanis                 Warlord Mike

                                     Nay-           CallenExile              Hrabandur               Onigiri

         No Change needed-                    CoBBQ

Colonizer Caps(Akkan/Progenitor/Jarrasul)

                        Buff Jarrasul Evacuator's colonize?

                                    Yay-            Darvin3               Volt_Cruelerz              Deceiver_0
                                                      Swordsalmon       Agent of Kharma           Hrabandur
                                                      Ryat                   Arthanis                     Warlord Mike
                                                      Onigiri 

                                    Nay-            CallenExile           MindsEye

        No Change needed-

Carrier Class Caps(Sova/Halcyon/Skirantra)

                       Buff Scramble Bombers?

                                  Yay-              Darvin3              Volt_Cruelerz               Deceiver_0
                                                      MindsEye            Swordsalmon               Agent of Kharma
                                                      Hrabandur          Ryat                           Arthanis
                                                      Warlord Mike 

                                  Nay-              CallenExile         Onigiri

                      Buff Replicate Forces?

                                  Yay-               Arthanis            Warlord Mike                 Onigiri

                                  Nay-

        No Change needed-

Buff Support Class Caps(Dunov/Antorak/Rapture/Revelation)

                      Increase AM regen?

                                 Yay-               Darvin3               Hrabandur               CrazyElectron
                                                      Ryat                   Juletron                  Arthanis
                                                      Warlord Mike        Swordsalmon

                                 Nay-               CallenExile           Mindseye                 Onigiri

                     Increase maximum AM?

                                 Yay-               CallenExile          Darvin3                    Hrabandur
                                                      Mindseye            Volt_Cruelerz             CrazyElectron
                                                      Juletron              Arthanis                   Warlord Mike

                                 Nay-               Ryat                  Swordsalmon            Onigiri

                     Increase Dunov EMP range?

                                 Yay-               CallenExile          Mindseye                  Volt_Cruelerz
                                                      CrazyElectron      Ryat                        Juletron
                                                      Arthanis             Warlord Mike             Swordsalmon

                                 Nay-               Hrabandur          Onigiri

                     Allow Dunov shield restore to be self targetable?

                                Yay-                Mindseye           CrazyElectron             Juletron
                                                      Arthanis            Deceiver_0

                                Nay-                Ryat                 Volt_Cruelerz            Warlord Mike
                                                      Swordsalmon      Onigiri

                     Allow Antoraks subversion to effect SC?

                               Yay-                 Mindseye           Juletron                    Volt_Cruelerz
                                                      Arthanis            Warlord Mike             Onigiri

                               Nay-                 Ryat                Swordsalmon

                     Buff Phase out hull?

                               Yay-                 Mindseye            Juletron                   Volt_Cruelerz
                                                      Arthanis             Warlord Mike            Swordsalmon
                                                       

                               Nay-                 Ryat                 Onigiri

         No Change Needed-

 

 

DELIVERANCE ENGINE

Without a doubt the weakest of the superweapons, there is little point in seeking it. For too long its been sitting in a dusty box on the shelf, to weak to be worth its tremendous costs. Lets consider some buffs to at least make it functional as a weapon. The one buff thats been suggested that I like is an instant allegiance drop, which will aid Advent in cultural takeovers of border planets and with enough, could possibly overthrow an enemy planet (though Id say it should require many more than the fearsome novalith)

Buff Deliverance engine-

                         Cause an instant decrease in allegiance?

                                    Yay-           Deceiver_0                Kitkun                    Greyfox2
                                                     anteachtaire              Mow Mow                Warlord Mike
                                                     Hrabandur                 Arthanis

                                    Nay-           Howdidudothat

No buff needed-                                Qu4r                        Darvin3                  CallenExile        

 

 

EMPIRE TREE

As I feel that the devs decision to put "Phase Jumping" ships at the top of the tree was purposeful and not a bug, I think most of us agree that the constant movement it creates (especially with phase monitoring!) makes the empire tree difficult to use. Move it to the bottom?

Adjust Empire Tree-

                         Move "Phase Jumping Ships" to the bottom of the tree?

                                    Yay-           Deceiver_0               Darvin3                  SwordSalmon
                                                     JSW_Ballz                Mindseye                Agent of Kharma
                                                     Ryat                        52500                    Mow Mow
                                                     Fuzzy Logic              EadTaes                 Warlord Mike
                                                     Hrabandur               Howdidudothat        -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician        Arthanis

                                    Nay-           CallenExile

 

FIGHTERS

Some are unsatisfied with fighters with regards to surviving flak. I urge everyone to read the points of debate between Mindseye and myself starting on page 10-11, to get a better understanding of why fighters should or should not be adjusted. Below are a few suggestions

Buff Fighters-

                        Increase armor/hp?

                                  Yay-             Mindseye                 Mow Mow                Greyfox2
                                                     Qu4r                       Arthanis          

                                  Nay-             Deceiver_0               Darvin3                  Ryat
                                                     Top Vasari               Warlord Mike           EadTaes
                                                     Hrabandur                Howdidudothat        -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician       Agent of Kharma      CallenExile
                                                     CrazyElectron 

MAPS

Raging Amish has proposed some modest changes to maps that I think we could possibly have implemented with enough support, so lets get a vote to see what people think of them. Magnetic clouds are huge wastes of space as their is nothing terribly beneficial about them. People with ability heavy fleets and caps would opt to fight you somewhere else (and can do so without much penalty). They make awful chokepoints because you can't put starbases or mines there, and they offer no economic value. I'd like to hear some ideas on how to improve them (beyond removing them completely from the game as RA has suggested). If we can come up with some good ones I'll put them up for a vote. In the meantime, I think one should at least be able to construct Starbases here, so I'll put that up as a topic. Also, all too often we see Ice and Volcanic planets  (which require research to colonize) offering you only 2 resource mines for the trouble of colonizing them. Personally I don't think that PLANETS should have less resources to offer than an asteroid. What do you think?

Magnetic Clouds-

                          Allow starbase deployment?

                                    Yay-            Deceiver_0              Darvin3                  Hrabandur
                                                      Juletron                  Howdidudothat         Warlord Mike
                                                      DirtySanchezz          Kitkun                    Qu4r
                                                      CrazyElectron

                                    Nay-            Ryat                       CallenExile              EadTaes
                                                      DesConnor              -Ue_Carbon             Chaotic Magician

Ice/Volcanic planets-

                          Change minimum mines to 3 (currently 2)?

                                   Yay-             Deceiver_0              Swordsalmon           Ryat
                                                      Darvin3                   Juletron                  Mindseye
                                                      Mow Mow                 EadTaes                 JSW_Ballz
                                                      Howdidudothat         Warlord Mike          Kitkun
                                                      Ovi_187                  -Ue_Carbon            Chaotic Magician
                                                      CrazyElectron 

                                   Nay-             CallenExile              DesConnor              DirtySanchezz
                                                      Hrabandur               Agent of Kharma      Qu4r

No Changes needed-

 

 

 

ORKULUS STARBASE

This topic is going to be heavy on the debate, and will likely be updated several times with NEW votable options throughout the life of this thread. Now, I think it's safe to say that we're beyond the point of the DEVS making a Vasari Assault cruiser and making the Orky stationary. So if thats what you think should happen thats fine, but it would be more useful for everyone if you hada second opinion on the Orky and voted on the issues below.

Nerf Orkulus-

                           Increase build penalty in hostile wells? (currently 2.25x unupgraded)

                                     Yay-          Greyfox2                   Raging Amish(3x)   Mindseye
                                                     Arthanis 

                                     Nay-          Deceiver_0                 Cykur                    Howdidudothat
                                                     Top Vasari                  Swordsalmon         Ryat
                                                     anteachtaire               LordMechanoid       JSW_Ballz
                                                     Warlord Mike              Agent of Kharma    DesConnor
                                                     DirtySanchezz             Kitkun                   Qu4r
                                                     52500                        Hrabandur            -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician         Qu4r                    CallenExile
                                                    

Other-

                           SB constructors trigger phase monitoring alarm? ("Hostile forces are inbound")

                                    Yay-          Mindseye                    Deceiver_0            Howdidudothat
                                                    Top Vasari                   Cykur                   LordMechanoid
                                                    Warlord Mike               DirtySanchezz        Kitkun
                                                    52500                         Hrabandur            -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Chaotic Magician           CallenExile           CrazyElectron
                                                    Arthanis 

                                    Nay-          JSW_Ballz                   DesConnor           Qu4r

 

 

SCOUT FRIGATES

A hotly debated topic right now on the forums, none can deny their increased presence on the MP battlefield. As the cheapest buildable unit in the game, as well as being tier 0, its utility against long ranged frigates has been thoroughly exploited. The question remains, is it balanced? This topic will be split into two sections, a general section for a blanket nerf and a more specific section for interspecies balance. The reason for this is that some think scouts need to be weaker in general, whike other think they need to be balanced on par wtih TEC scouts.

Nerf Scouts-

                          Decrease hp/shields?

                                     Yay-

                                     Nay-          DirtySanchezz            Cykur                Arthanis

                          Decrease DPS?

                                     Yay-          DirtySanchezz            Greyfox2           Mindseye
                                                     Arthanis 

                                     Nay-          Cykur

                          Increase Cost/supply?

                                     Yay-         Mindseye                   Cykur                 Swordsalmon

                                     Nay-         DirtySanchezz             Arthanis

No Nerf Needed-                              Deceiver_0                 Wingflier            Howdidudothat
                                                     Darvin3                      Ryat                 CallenExile
                                                     Chaotic Magician        Agent of Kharma  Sivcorp
                                                     52500                       JSW_Ballz           LordMechanoid
                                                     Kitkun                       Hrabandur          -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Qu4r                        CrazyElectron

Balance Scouts-

                          Decrease Seeker Vessels Hp/shields/armor?

                                     Yay-         Deceiver_0                 Wingflier             Mow Mow
                                                    Swordsalmon              Darvin3               Ryat
                                                    Greyfox2                    52500                 JSW_Ballz
                                                    Cykur                        Top Vasari           LordMechanoid
                                                    Kitkun                        Hrabandur          -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Qu4r                          CrazyElectron       Arthanis

                                     Nay-         DirtySanchezz            Howdidudothat      CallenExile
                                                   

                          Decrease Seeker Vessels DPS?

                                     Yay-         Swordsalmon              DirtySanchezz      Howdidudothat
                                                     Greyfox2                   Hrabandur          Qu4r 

                                     Nay-         Wingflier                    Darvin3               Ryat
                                                     CallenExile                52500                 JSW_Ballz
                                                     Cykur                       LordMechanoid     Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon                 CrazyElectron       Arthanis

                          Decrease Jikara Navigator cost/supply?

                                     Yay-         Deceiver_0                 Wingflier              Howdidudothat
                                                    CallenExile                 52500                  LordMechanoid
                                                    Hrabandur                  Qu4r 

                                     Nay-         Swordsalmon              DirtySanchezz       Darvin3
                                                    Ryat                          Chaotic Magician   JSW_Ballz
                                                    Cykur                        Greyfox2             Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon                CrazyElectron        Arthanis

                          Increase Jikara Navigator DPS?

                                     Yay-         Mow Mow                   Swordsalmon         Howdidudothat
                                                    Ryat                         Chaotic Magician     52500
                                                    JSW_Ballz                  Hrabandur            -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Qu4r                         CrazyElectron        Arthanis

                                     Nay-         Wingflier                   DirtySanchezz        Darvin3
                                                    CallenExile                Cykur                   Greyfox2
                                                    LordMechanoid           Kitkun   

                          Increase Jikara Navigator hp/shields?

                                     Yay-         Mow Mow                  Darvin3                  Ryat
                                                    Chaotic Magician         Sivcorp                   Top Vasari
                                                    Kitkun                      Hrabandur              -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Qu4r                        CrazyElectron           Arthanis

                                     Nay-         CallenExile               JSW_Ballz               Cykur
                                                    LordMechanoid

No Balance Needed-                         Agent of Kharma      EadTaes                 DesConnor

 

 

RAVASTRA SKIRMISHERS

While the most expensive light frigate in both resources and supply, these ships have the worst DPS per supply. With the recent buff to all light frigs, Cobalts and Disciples are now delivering on the tasks they're meant to, yet skirmishers are still struggling. So what should be done?

Buff Skirmishers-

                            Increase DPS?
                                        
                                      Yay-        Deceiver_0                Darvin3               52500 
                                                    Cykur                       Chaotic Magician   Top Vasari
                                                    Howdidudothat           Wingflier              Swordsalmon
                                                    Juletron                     Ryat                   Sivcorp
                                                    DirtySanchezz             GreyFox2            Raging Amish
                                                    CallenExile                 Mindseye            JSW_Ballz
                                                    Warlord Mike              lbgsloan             Mow Mow
                                                    EadTaes                    DesConnor          Kitkun
                                                    Agent of Kharma        Hrabandur           -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Qu4r                       CrazyElectron        Arthanis

                                      Nay-        LordMechanoid

                            Decrease Supply cost?

                                      Yay-        Raging Amish           LordMechanoid      Hrabandur
                                                    Qu4r    

                                      Nay-        Deceiver_0                Darvin3               52500
                                                    Cykur                       Chaotic Magician   Top Vasari
                                                    Howdidudothat           Wingflier             Swordsalmon
                                                    Juletron                    Ryat                    CallenExile                
                                                    Mindseye                  JSW_Ballz            Warlord Mike
                                                    lbgsloan                   Mow Mow              Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon               CrazyElectron        Arthanis

                            Decrease Resource cost?

                                      Yay-        52500                       Warlord Mike

                                      Nay-        Darvin3                     Cykur                Chaotic Magician  
                                                    Top Vasari                 Howdidudothat    Wingflier
                                                    Swordsalmon             Juletron              Ryat
                                                    DirtySanchezz             Raging Amish     CallenExile
                                                    Mindseye                   JSW_Ballz           LordMechanoid
                                                    lbgsloan                    Kitkun                Hrabandur
                                                    -Ue_Carbon               Qu4r                   Arthanis

                            Adjust Reintegration autocast AI to activate earlier?

                                      Yay-        Deceiver_0               Darvin3               52500
                                                    Chaotic Magician       Top Vasari           Howdidudothat          
                                                    Wingflier                  Swordsalmon       Juletron
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Reply #726 from Sins Forums Top

I'm lowering my estimate to 2-3 weeks, seeing as the time between the first hints and the release of the patch notes was much shorter this time.  Also the patch is much smaller to begin with.

Reply #727 from Sins Forums Top

I think the fix will only coem witht eh end of diplomacy when it comes out of beta. Or at best shortly before diplomacy is released.

Multiplicity - Control multiple PCs using one keyboard and mouse
Reply #728 from Sins Forums Top

I suggest the following further improvements, some minor, but maybe they just need to be posted in some visible place. Some could be fixed much better, but that would be too sophisticated I suppose:

- fix orkulus not approaching enemy ships close enough (seems to think it has them in weapon range when it doesn't)

Buff Volatile Nanites
- increase the radius of Volatile nanites (application & death splash) or
- double the death splash radius and increase damage slightly

Pulse upgrade tree
- double pulse beam upgrade bonuses (only caps use these so even 5x the damage with a linked tier 3-4 research would not mess anything) or
- make pulse beam upgrades increase bombing damage as well.
- greatly increase the range bonus on the Pinpoint Bombardment.

Wave upgrade:
- reduce tier

Colony Pods:
- increase revenue

 

Reply #729 from Sins Forums Top

Anybody think the Orky's Disintegrator Beams should be improved by the Pulse Beam Upgrade?  In my opinion, it makes no sense that it DOESN'T at the moment - in addition, since it's the Vasari's Anti-Structure option, it would really give opponents something to go, "AHH!  FF! FF! FF!"

Reply #730 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Warlord, reply 729
Anybody think the Orky's Disintegrator Beams should be improved by the Pulse Beam Upgrade?  In my opinion, it makes no sense that it DOESN'T at the moment - in addition, since it's the Vasari's Anti-Structure option, it would really give opponents something to go, "AHH!  FF! FF! FF!"

Take note that Disintegrator Arrays is the only weapon on any starbase which is has no corresponding upgrade.

An option to make Pulse Beam upgrades affect disintegrators would score a big fat YAY from me.

Reply #731 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Darvin3, reply 726
I'm lowering my estimate to 2-3 weeks, seeing as the time between the first hints and the release of the patch notes was much shorter this time.  Also the patch is much smaller to begin with.

What?  You are saying they already released patch notes?  Where?  I haven't seen them.

Reply #732 from Sins Forums Top

Patch Notes

there ya go

Reply #733 from Sins Forums Top

Oh and add colony pods buff. They're useless - the worst possible source of income, viable only on ultra-long games on a backyard starbase. Take starbase slots, cost craploads of cash, give almost nothing and that nothing doesn't scale at all. Tradeports increase income via chains, refineries via increased number of nearby asteroids, even population gives more income from culture; colony pods never increase their measly effectiveness.

Reply #734 from Sins Forums Top

+ 1 to colony pods buff

Reply #735 from Sins Forums Top

YES!! We muzt buff ze colony podzez!

After all, it's the only way a Vasari SB can gain 2 methods of income, even if one is rather crappy.

Reply #736 from Sins Forums Top

And once again I would request a speed buff for Assailant's phase missiles, at least so that an assailant can not fire a phase missile at a target before the previous missile hits and destroys it. This completely screws up assailants in large battles, cause lums kill and reaquire two targets before an assailant group notices that their target is dead and they've just wasted a salvo.

So

+ Assailant Phase missile speed buff plox

Reply #737 from Sins Forums Top

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the Orky needs more love. :grin:

On that note, something that's been bugging me is the Orky's amazing vulnerability to bombers/fighters.  Yes, I realize ALL starbases have this weakness, but since the Orky can freely move about its gravity well, I NEVER get it any fighter bays (I always max fighter bays for the Argonev and Transcencia, just so you know, and no, I don't play MP, but still).

This shortcoming does not have any real fix for the Orky, except for running after the carriers or caps with the fighters, which is not exactly doable for an Orky, or surrounding the SB with Junsurak Sentinels, which is rather wasteful of supply.

I know I'll get attacked from BOTH sides for saying this, but maybe we could add a flak-type attack to the Orky that could attack fighters/bombers.  I dunno what kind of damage type it'd use, but I figured I'd throw this idea out and see what everyone thinks.  (Ducks in anticipation of various flamings)

Reply #738 from Sins Forums Top

Really, Mike, that's not the way to go :)

Reply #739 from Sins Forums Top

Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health. :D

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Reply #740 from Sins Forums Top

So...what do the TEC and Advent SB's get then???

Reply #741 from Sins Forums Top

Yes to Allow Dunov shield restore to be self targetable

Yes to Allow starbase deployment in Magnetic clouds

:thumbsup:

Reply #742 from Sins Forums Top

Add "Fix the frakkin arcing movement thingy" and add me under Yes pls..

Source thread: https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/374505

Reply #743 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting JuleTron, reply 739
Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health. :D

*blinks* o_O

You know what...that's crazy enough to work!  And it makes so much sense, too!

Reply #744 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting JuleTron, reply 739
Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health.

Quoting Warlord, reply 743



Quoting JuleTron,
reply 739
Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health.


*blinks*

You know what...that's crazy enough to work!  And it makes so much sense, too!

As much as I think that such a buff would have nothing to do with balance, I agree it would be awesome :D
Come to me, my yummy little snackz...

Reply #745 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting N3rull, reply 744

Quoting JuleTron, reply 739Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health. :D


Quoting Warlord Mike, reply 743


Quoting JuleTron,
reply 739
Instead of having flak, maybe the Orky's Debris Vortex ability should suck in and destroy enemy SC to regen health.


*blinks* o_O

You know what...that's crazy enough to work!  And it makes so much sense, too!

As much as I think that such a buff would have nothing to do with balance, I agree it would be awesome :D
Come to me, my yummy little snackz...

N3Rull wins.  Topic over. XD

But to put more thought to the Debris Vortex idea, when you think about it, Fighters and Bombers may as well be debris at that size, considering the leftover debris from a ship gone "boom" is about the size of a fighter/bomber.  As I said, it makes sense when you think about it. :P

Reply #746 from Sins Forums Top

So...not only can the Okky chase my carriers and stucture ships....it can eat SC at will? I cry party foul.

 

While we are on this topic....I want the TEC SB Resupply to effect SC also. Oh and buff the HP regen too. I think that be fair.

Reply #747 from Sins Forums Top

well if you put a long enough cooldown time on that ability than I think it would be great

Reply #748 from Sins Forums Top

Oh ok, so.. you want the Orkulus to have zero weaknesses? Its already hard enough to kill one with assault cruisers, as it can eliminate their range advantage (adjudicators are useless, and you need a BUNCH of expensive Ogrovs if you want to take one down.) and you want to make them even harder for strikecraft to kill? Consider this: VASARI DO NOT HAVE AN ASSAULT CRUISER, how the hell is a Vasari player supposed to deal with the Orkulus if it can just suck up all your bombers and heal itself? How about Advent? No im sorry, while that may seem like a good idea, its actually a TERRIBLE idea. Bombers are the MOST reliable way to kill a Starbase, and even then they aren't that reliable. Theres already plenty of ways to stop bombers cold, there does NOT need to be more. Orkulus is the best defense already, and yeah I agree that with a lack of AOE damage effects, it loses power later in the game, but ALL STARBASES have a reasonable weakness, because without it, there is not a reasonable way to destroy one, or two, or ten. How are you going to reasonably take down that Vasari player in the eco spot with Orkies at almost every planet? Starbases are not supposed to be the end all be all of defenses, they're designed to stall and slow down attacking fleets primarily, and secondly deal some damage to the foolish. The way I understand it is that the Orkulus's lack of AOE damage abilities is balanced by the fact that Vasari have to travel the least amount of distance with their fleet to defend a planet, and by the fact that it can move. (not to mention vasari have the best single unit HP restore in the overseer.) Sure I'd love t if the Orky could better handle large late game fleets that decide to rush it (because you would never rush an Argonev or a Transcenscia late game), but cutting down on one of its fundamental weaknesses (a weakness that all starbases share) would make the thing unreasonably difficult to destroy. Period.

Reply #749 from Sins Forums Top

Apparently, ducking was probably the better choice... ^_^'

As I stated, Deciever, it was just an idea - I know it's crazy-powerful, but I was merely tossing the idea out for a discussion.

Although, it does make me wonder...I seldom put DV on my Orkies (only one around my "Homeworld Star"); does anyone else use this ability?

Reply #750 from Sins Forums Top

Deceiver, do get a break. Everybody knows it's not gonna happen :P

edit. Mike, I use very often. If you're in a major fleet fight, a single use of DV can restore a couple thousand hit points on the orky. It's the best thing since sliced bread. Well, second best.