well, it looks.. different in XP... still good tho I think.

Btw, I'm toying with the idea of doing a seperate Naked 'Noir' black edition if this one goes over well.

Regardless, I'd say a dark version of this would be killer as well.

Gets my vote as well!

You could call the 'naked' one shiro-ninja and the dark one ninja.

Naked in the dark

Not a bad idea... might use that

Tell me something I don't know... I was born with issues.

Hey! Pyrates have issues when they're zygotes! A broadside to anyone who sez different!

And I was born naked.

Hehe... wonder if that qualifies me for discount.

Excellent work John!

 Been looking at all the WIP screenies including my own these past couple of days and you're 100% correct about the start menu right side panel JG.  So it is a good thing that it's being corrected.

You know I'm all with it bro, I think it'll be off the chain!  The only problem is, I just don't know if I can take holding my breath another 2 years again waiting for it!

..everyone born in Naked...

Naked wb wip by vStyler
odbg: by messiah
xion by pixelZ
widgy by me...
...come soon...

WOW!  Love it Bilbo!  I really dig Pixel-Z's Xion concept, that's hot!  But I also think Messiah should bust out with his Xion design too.

They're both fantastic and totally different from one another!

Way to shoot it bro!

A Naked Poem:  At last, at last, you dirty Jackass, your entire desktop is finally made outta glass!

 Make sure your kids don't throw any rocks!

Question:  For Bilbo, Messiah, WebGizmos and Pixel-Z

You guys are building all of the complementary components and after looking at Bilbo's shot I'm curious as to how are you going to address the fonts.

Will all the components have the same ability to switch fonts like Bilbo's DX or will there be a dark and light font version for each like the blinds?

I can only imagine that this would be a huge pain in the ass, especially for WinStep.  But the true blending nature adaptabilities depends largely on the dark and light fonts to offset lighting, which in turn will give Naked components 100% versatility in any light condition, contrast or texture, matching both Naked WB styles.

Without this, you just have a chunk of pretty but unreadable glass on your desk.

I'm positive that this is already a consideration for you dudes, but this all came to mind being that both Xion designs I've seen have white fonts.

Curtis.. I know vMan workin on separate black/dark version of wb..

thanks for your support..

I can do 2 different versions or just one and let everyone change the fonts themselves...but I have to wait for John to finish before I can get started since I don't have the skins just yet.

Now to get to work on Naked - Black Edition

See, that's exactly what I'm talkin' about.

Now the question is, how hard is that to do in a WinStep theme Steve?  Would the casual user have a difficult time making the switch.  Because if it isn't easy, they lose interest. 

I personally know where you can in the Workshelf configuration, but we're talking about folks more on a novice level who are afraid to play with defaults.  Would it be hard for them?  Know what I mean?

Again, depending on the lighting from the background, it can just look like a bunch of glass if the fonts aren't right.

The on-the-fly font switch that Bilbo incorporated into his DX widget was pure genius.  It would be stellar if you were somehow able to integrate this ability into the Xion and WinStep too.

Maybe a Naked WSE dark and light would be better, just more work for you.

From what Giz has explained (in the past) to me...the toughest part is the graphics...altering yet keeping the spirit of the OT.

I didn't get the impression the fonts are hard.

But "Giz the Winstep Wiz" makes things look easy that really aren't....he just is a master of his craft (that's with the 'f', Cp!).

It isn't the degree-age of difficulty with the fonts Doc.  It's more of a matter of if these components such as Pixel-Z's Naked Xion player has only one color font, let's say it's white, then it loses 50% of it's purposely constructed adaptability because it's limited to certain lightings on the background.

And the critical consideration of alpha blending is it's readability on any surface.

So the question I posed was to ask if the ability to switch fonts on the fly is more lucrative, as opposed to merely leaving a novice at the mercy of having to in their mind, hack let's say their WinStep theme to get the correct font for the surface they're currently using.  Or, do you just make two of everything thereby eliminating the issue?  And we know that that's more work on the skinners.

Basically I was asking what was the plan for these complementary components Doc.

vStyler was fully aware of this consideration and that's exactly why he built a substyle with a black font.

Play with some glass components with a white font on dark and bright walls and you'll understand what I mean.

I suppose some apps are easier to give the end user a choice of font color, in WB a substyle is needed, with a widget... a simple button can be implemented, Winstep, i have no idea... and xion.. I think would need a diff. 'mode' xion skin.

Yes its a bit more work for us.. but well worth it if it's a means to an end for the folks that use our work.

Hehe.. thanks Curtis,

Gonna have a word with all the 'porter\skinners' to see if we can get alternate versions of their skins to match the WB light and dark font substyles.

I'm just glad im done! ...

with the white version

It's not really hard Cp...it's just that you'd have to do it for each module and then the workshelf...starbar...menu...and so on...so I'll just make it easier for everyone and do it myself. Of course there will always be someone that wants something else...so I'll leave that up to them.

Not a problem here John...just have to wait for the finished versions to see what your using. Then it takes a bit to get it all put together.