We put a 'bounty' on cattle.  You're righteous, but only up to a point.  And you're not willing to accept that some folks might have a different opinion than you - they 'disgust' you.  And we really believe that BO is going to bring folks like you & Palin 'Together'?

Well my view on this is that hunting is fine, as long as animal that was killed have a real use.

Killing deer just for its 5 point alters? NO. For beef for next 2 months AND those fore-mentioned alters? Just fine with me. ( I think I used wrong word... alters? )

It is completely beside the point to confuse meat eating for nourishment/nutrition with butchering animals purely for trophies and nothing more.  I've seen documentaries where hunters have killed wild animals, taken the antlers, tusks or head, etc, and left the rest there to rot, which is a barbaric waste and far from being civilized.... much less Christian.  On the other hand, there is little or no waste with domestic animals that are bred for their meat and humanely slaughtered by qualified butchers.

And no, I am not squirmish.  I have no problem with seeing an animal butchered for its meat and other bi-products... I have witnessed and participated in this more than once.  I do, however, have a problems with trophy hunters who kill indicriminately, which is why I can not stand Sarah Palin, who professes to be a devout Christian on one hand, while needlessly shooting moose on the other... with commercial abatoirs producing enough meat products from domesticated animals bred for the purpose, there is absolutely NO NEED for Palin to go out MURDERING moose... PERIOD.

Ah...no. I never have and never would put a bounty of any kind on any animal. And to say that people disgust me because they have a different opinion is just plain silly. It's not the opinion....its the behavior and reasoning for it I find offensive. And I don't know who this "we" is...but I doubt they could bring me together with someone like Sarah Palin...not unless it includes an airplane and her running for her life...I could use a new table leg...might be a bit wobbly though.

Right on there, WG... there is no acceptable reason for hunting defenseless wild animals purely for trophies... the 'so-called' pleasure and satisfaction of it.  I mean, what pleasure/satisfaction could one derive from senselessly killing a wild animal!!! 

So whatever happened to wildlife consevation and protecting endangered species... they're all endangered species when twits with guns go out to senselessly murder them

And what's worse, it's these hypocrites who condemn the killing of domesticated cats and dogs for 'so-called' sport or their fur... kill one of their hunting dogs and that's murder in the first degree.  Can't see the difference myself, both are unnecessary killing.

Me either... she'd have you bankrupt and starving in no time, with her $200.000k plus penchant for new clothes and lipstick... and she managed to spend all that in less than 4 months.  I know that with such a voracious spending appetite, I'd rather be keeping her for 0,00001 of a second than a day.  Sheesh, just imagine the billions she'd spend on redecorating the White House if she manages to get there... not to mention the new wardrobe for herself, her family and the entire White House staff so everyone is in keeping with her sense of dress... which of course would be more important than real life issues.

Indeed. When I eat a steak or hamburger, I know it come from something that used to go 'moo'. I'm a realist on that respect. It would be rather hard for me to actually kill any animal, even for food, but I have no illusions on source of meat, unlike some people apperently...

And I take it that you have decided that Mrs. Palin hunts animals purely for trophies? And you have even seen documentaries of people who do that?

Wow.

So Mrs. Palin kills "indiscriminately" and shoots moose? You think she shot the moose by accident?

And you have no problem with seeing an animal butchered but if someone shoots a moose it is needless?

That would be the people who eat meat but condemn those who kill animals?

'antlers', Rolf.... JAFOCHECK ...;)

Deer is Venison.  And it is Antlers.(close).  But I agree with you.  And with very few exceptions, the meat is not wasted (that is not always the case, but most hunters are more fauna friendly than the average vegan).

I personally do not look at hunting as  "sport", but as long as they utilize the meat, I see no problem with it.

The problem is you dont know what you are talking about.  Not all Hunters are looking for just trophies (and thus waste the meat).  But you seem to assume the worse, when there is no evidence to back up your bias.

She has no penchant.  But your bias (or misogyny) is showing strongly.  That wardrobe was purchased for the campaign, not on a whim.  It would be more honest of you to just admit your bias and state outright you dont like her because of the spin put on, than to flail around trying to justify the hatred using half truths and lies to do so.

Tarting up the pig costs dollars, it seems.

More votes could be bought by using the 200 thou for something halfway beneficial....you know...like a soup kitchen....;p

Palin is the McGyver of politics....give him a ball of twine, some old cans and a rusty wheel-barrow and he'd build you an escape module for the space shuttle....

Palin would just screw up someone's election prospects...;)

Pretty sure he's referring to poachers who kill just for "parts" of animals because some clown decided it makes his wang work better or do something else for him.

And not sure about the moose thing...but I know she has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to make it easier for hunters to use planes to hunt down wolves and has also proposed a $150.00 bounty on the front left foreleg of each wolf killed. This is because she has deemed them to be a problem. What a gal!

And are they a problem? I know that governments often pay rewards to hunters for shooting animals that might endanger other animal populations.

Now, I am against hunting (except for the purpose of protecting necessary herds etc.) and I wouldn't eat game.

But since I do eat slaughtered animals I can condemn the hunters only for their method of killing not for the principle of killing an animal and eating it.

Well...personally I don't feel any animal is a problem...they've done pretty good on they're own without our help or intervention. But when people move into "they're" natural habitat..suddenly they become a problem. And we're talkin Alaska here. And rather than live with them...they're just killed...or culled if you want to put it a nice way.

I have no problem with someone that hunts and makes full use of what he kills...but if someones out there just killing for animal parts...I hope the animal wins.

I guess it depends on whether you think that as many species as possible should survive. For me it is about the gene pool. We know how genes work, but we don't know which combinations work and how the create the individual animals without having a close enough relative at the ready.

Hence we try to preserve existing species and that includes protecting them from predators (including us).

I can imagine that wolves are a problem for mooses and other animals and we might want to moose populations for some reason.

Trophies or not, Palin has no real NEED to shoot moose... there are ample supplies of commercially butchered meats available (shit, the best Aussie beef heads to the US by the shipload daily), so yes, Palin is killiing neeedlessly, and possibly an animal that could soon be on the endangered species list while people condone and participate in moose slaughter.

Yes, I have... the BBC, National Geographic and others have aired documentaries clearly showing hunters slaughtering wildlife all over the World and just leaving their carcasses to rot.  And there's no WOW about it... it's fucking disgusting.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit... and we have nothing further to discuss/debate.

I don't have a need to slaughter cows either. Other people do it for me. I don't have a need to eat those cows either. But I do eat beef, as I am sure you do as well.

I don't understand why it acceptable for you to eat meat and have an animal killed for it while it is a needless kill when Palin eats meat. Commercially butchered meats are animals too.

We are all killing needlessly (or have people to do it for us), and to condemn it when others do it while it is obviously all right when we do it is hypocritical at best and insanity at worst.

I don't doubt that. I just don't see why it is relevant. I have seen people do all sorts of bad things, but I never thought that I can use that as an "argument" against somebody I happen to dislike.

"Look at Obama! Other people do bad things. So obviously he must be bad." It shouldn't work that way.

If you believe that Palin killing an animal to eat it morally worse than you eating an animal killed by someone else, and if you believe that documentaries on other people are an argument against Palin, we do indeed have nothing further to discuss.

You are a hypocrite and a simpleton.

Seems like an unfortunate trend to me, transporting meat from one place to another using lots of energy. Surely the US can produce their own meat?

I wish they'd put those 'sport' (not for food) hunters down in the wilderness w/o their rifles/automatics and have the animals hunt them.

No, I'm not a vegetarian, and I realize someone does kill the animals I eat but he/she doesn't do to hang a set of antlers over the fireplace. That's some sick crap. If they were such good sports, maybe they'd try taking one of these animals on "up close and personal" without the telescopic/night vision scopes they so fondly display.

So if you hunt to eat, fine. If you do it for "sport" have the guts to do it "up close and personal".

Otherwise, it's sadistic cowardice.

The humanity of some people concerns me greatly.

So throwing away those parts of the animals one cannot eat makes one a more moral person?

I don't see that.

Bollocks! I've seen dickhead hunters here in Oz indiscriminately shoot dozens of kangaroos purely for 'sport' and leave their carcasses to rot... saw the same thing with fox hunting in the UK, they'd kill the fox, cut off it's tail and just leave the rest to nature to devour... and a similar thing on a National Geographic Documentary on moose and caribou shooting in Alaske/Nth America.  The moose/caribou were shot, their antlers removed (sometimes before they were dead) and their carcasses left in pre-dug pits to rot.  It happens in Africa with the elephant poachers, taking just the tusks... it happens with the baby fur seals, just for their fur... so don't tell me that I don't fucking know what I'm talking about.  It happens, and that's an inescapable fact, Worldwide.

What crap! Nobody NEEDS to spend almost quarter of a million on a wardrobe... and all in less than 4 months, all at the expense of others.  That is sheer greed and unnecesary extravagence on her part... and that is more than enough for me to dislike  Palin. I don't need a bias/misogyny... I have to fight, struggle and go without to get the things I need, much less want, and she has done more than enough to show that she is an airhead and a VERY poor choice as McCain's running mate. Poor bastard never stood a chance with her on the ticket.  Jafo got it in one... Palin would screw anyone's election chances, so why you think she is a worthy candidate for VP (any high office for that matter) has got me (and many others) beat.

Come on, Starkers, let's get real.  This pales in comparison to all the unnecessary extravagances, especially of our candidates (made up highly paid positions for family & friends, etc.), but also of our elected officials.  You're predisposed to dislike this woman so you jump on it when you wouldn't say bumpkis otherwise.

Considering the amount of evidence it is clear that Palin kills animals for fun rather than food. After all all those other people in totally different countries are doing it.

And on that subject, I have long suspected that Palin is a thief, too. I have seen a documentary on thieves in Belgium. Some of them were women.

At the expense of those who gave their money for the campaign. I wonder what Michelle Obama's and Hillary Clinton's costumes cost. I never saw the media being very interested in that though. To be honest, I was never really interested in what either of the three were wearing and how much it cost.

That seems to be true. She was hired to get conservatives to vote for McCain (since they wouldn't do it based on his credentials). But she is not in the same league as he is. She is an inexperienced airhead just like Obama, with the same amount of experience but without the racist friends.

Humanity? Fairness.

Parts thrown away? Well. I think they should definitely save that part of the moose, etc. for you so it won't go to waste.

 Yeah. There is surprising many people like that.