You've got that right, LW. But freedom isn't the absence of authority, but in being held to obey only just and legitimate authority. Our American heritage was built upon freedom of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness....freedom of religion, association, speech, etc.  

Reminds me of a quote from Charles Kingsley that goes something like this....

We are not free to do what we like, but we are free to do what we ought to do...

But we are no longer one America, a united people, a melting pot dedicated and working for the common good. Rather , we're divided into special interest groups that clamours for freedom to do what we like..and expect the government to deliver....and it does and in doing so, we lose freedom. 

You meant Unity, I believe.

What's equally bad are the Politicians who should be statesmen.

I meant freedom....

As an example, take the pro-abortion crowd who clamour for abortion on demand...(when an abortion occurs, the baby in the womb lose his freedom to be born.)

Take the Christian religion and so called separation of Church and State....why should a person of religious faith be forced to give up his freedom of conscience and be forced to pay (through taxation) for things like education, medical practices, and same sex health benefits, etc, that violate their moral principles and conscience?

 SOME of them . Just like SOME ( a small number, actually ONE ) people hang Palin in effigy . There are assholes on both sides , sir. However the big difference is how the respective supporters handle it.

If a picture is worth a thousand words , what is a video worth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3o3y77MaA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIgv992NZs0&feature=related

And we've now had two plots to kill Obama so far uncovered by the SS . Sooo....

Ok , they can stop paying taxes. They don't need police , fire , anything like that... Let God protect them, It's God's will , isn;t it?

starkers ...

You verbalized your thought...that's why you got pinged....;)

There are lots of 'restrictions' of/for/to what is referred to as 'free speech'.  The Telecommunications Act prohibits the communication of obscene language.  As a Communications/Observer for the FIA/FIM [GrandsPrix] I'm aware that 'legally' I cannot say to Race Control 'that driver is a fucking twit' I'd be in breach of the act.  AND the same applies to a telephone conversation between you and your mate...;)

The right to hold a 'free opinion' contrary to the socially accepted means anyone/everyone can actually be racist [in mindset] but vocalize it and you're screwed, either by legislation or perhaps just by peer pressure...;)

Um, not really... I just used an old joke to make a point... that when you quietly think something to yourself it is private, that it is an entirely different kettle of fish when you make those thoughts public... like the effwit who hung the effigy of Sarah Palin in his yard.   Sure he had every right to think it privately, but he made it public and there are consequences/repercussions as a result of his action.  There are plenty of people (myself included) who dislike Sarah Palin but still would consider the act pretty low, distasteful and condoning violence/lynching (myself included), while others would think it funny and condone it,

It is a thought made public that has the potential  to cause rifts within communities, families, between friends.... particularly during the 'mad' period prior to US elections.

Yeah. Taxes just aren't just for "corrupting" stuff, it pays for stuff everyones uses, like police and roads. Everything does have good and bad aspects, and I DO mean everything...

What's this about?  That's news to me, I thought I was on the WC forums?!

Can anyone please clue me in on this, seriously am I on the WC forums or JoeUser???

That has been disproven by analysis of the supposed statement by forensics.

unclerob, this is a Joe User post which bled into (cross posted) WinCustomize Forums. How to tell? Damned if I know!

When you run into a Mod or Admin, ask. I couldn't explain the logic of why it happens, either.

Ah, but forensics aren't always reliable and, on occasion, have been proven wrong.  Why even Sarah Palin herself proves them wrong.  Initial forensic tests say that she is a woman, but she has gone about trying to prove to everyone she has the balls to mix it with the best of them in Washington.... and independent forensic testing concluded that she is also part Eskimo, part moose, part polar bear and is more likely to cause yellow snow than any of the above alone.

Haven't been called 'sir' since my Navy days, so thanks for that.   However, the randomly recorded behavior of the fringe is ugly on both sides, always has been.  It's more about how 'organized' supporters 'handle it' - there is nothing anywhere even close to the hatred & spew of Daily Kos or Democratic Underground.  I know of no 'right-wing' equivalent.  It was John McCain himself who came to Obama's defense when an intemperate remark was made at one of his townhalls.  I'd love to hear that Obama repudiates intemperate remarks at his rallys.  Oh, wait... that would mean he'd have to repudiate his own remarks (e.g., re: bitter Pennsylvanians clinging to their guns & religion), so nevermind.

Some categories cross post between various Stardock sites, in this case, the Internet forum.

You may have gathered, however, that this is not about 'Internet' and is about 'Politics'. The OP placed his post in the wrong category...

When people see these kinds of topics, they should either ignore, or take part. What they should not do is make negative comments, all that does is harm the integrity of the site from which they are posting

I wish she had some wolf in her as well! Now where are those planes!?

Always the arrogant, dismissive condescension - happens without fail.  When they can no longer defend or argue the facts, they shoot ya the bird.

Adios, my friend... don't think I'll miss you.

Oh, and thanks for the link.  There's some good stuff there I'd never seen before.

Or in this case, the moose?

Palin has been stuffed by the Canadians - what an embarrassment...

Honest, Starkers. It appeared on MSNBC (hardly supportive of her). There's enough 'wrong' with her candidacy without that. The truth is that the sounds heard weren't those hateful words when analyzed.

As for the yellow snow issue, and the moose that are terror stricken....that's fact and can't be ignored by any discerning voter!

Yeah, I know... but I just couldn't let a chance go by to take another tongue in cheek pot shot at her, now could I!

I read somewhere that Sarah Palin is a "devout Christian and an avid hunter"... and to see that in the one sentence, to me, is a contradiction in terms.  I am not a devout anything (religiously), but I still believe it to be un-Christian/un-Godly to kill animals purely for sport.  In fact, it's not even a sport... the poor animals are defenceless and can't shoot back, thus it is a needless and shameful slaughter of God's creatures... which makes Sarah Palin a hypocrite in the first degree.

If I could award 1,000 karma points on that one, I would. <----- New symbol for 1K karma points.

I wonder if those great gun and hunting enthusiasts would be so enthusiastic if the amimals could shoot back?

Let me ask you something.

Are you a vegetarian or do you eat meat that somebody else kills for you so that you never ever see the poor animals die?

Do you believe that it is hypocritical to kill an animal and eat it while it is not hypocritical to buy a dead animal and eat it without ever seeing it die?

To kill animals for food is one thing...but to kill them because you have deemed them a problem after moving into they're territory is bad enough AND proposing a $150.00 bounty on the front left foreleg for every one you kill is just plain sick. That woman disgusts me.