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Empire thread --> The Gerontocracy

The Gerontocracy is here, and the universe will never be the same.

This empire is intended for players over the age of 30, hence the name of the empire. Judging by other threads, that means about 89% of us. For that other 11%, my advice is to hurry up and get older; in the meantime, though, there are plenty of other empires to join, even if they're not nearly as awesome as we are.

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Reply #151 Top
ghostwes,

Well, I started buying parts for the desktop almost a year ago, so some of my choices don't make sense in the current market. It was put together for me by a young fellow gamer who has the degree and makes his living at this (ex-Geeks-On-Call) but there were many demands on his time (read: delays to my PC) through the spring and early summer.

I got an AMD X2 4000+, w/ the 1 Mb cache for a big discount, just as they were revamping their line (and before the Intel Core Duo hit the streets like gangbusters). It was the best deal I could see that put me into the AMD AM2 socket architechture, which should be upgradable without a MB change to AMDs 1st gen true quad procs when they come out early next year.

For those on-the-horizon upgrade considerations, I got a top flight full featured MB from Gigabyte. It was Max PCs top rated AMD board at the time. I think choosing a forward looking mobo and socket is always your most key choice in a new custom-built PC.

I was shooting for the quiestest 'pretty-darned-good-performance' PC I could pull together for reasonable dollars (ended up something like $1250), so after spending some time reading articles on www.SilentPCReview.com (a good source for general perf info on adjunct parts in general, too), I got an Antec P180 quiet case, a WD Raptor 150Gb as an OS, swap, etc drive, and a WD 7200rpm 500Gb as main storage. 2 Gb of DDR2 Corsair 800mhz Dominator memory seemed to be the price-performance sweet spot from my then current (last fall+) reading. (Faster and lower latency give measurable but marginal improved performance probably not that important for games 'n stuff I do, but at big price premiums; the Dominator extra cooling contribs to an overal cooler, quieter machine, though.) Got a pair of Nvidia 6800s from a friend who was buying an 8800 GTX; they run hot counter to the general theme of this box, but they a) were REAL cheap, b) in SLI they'll run everything I was interested playing currently (Oblivion was the benchmark target; my PC builder tested with Supreme Commander with pleasing results), c) the rest of the box runs so cool n' quiet we could afford the extra heat. Though I looked into CPU coolers, with the relatively low-end CPU from a relatively cool line, I decided the stock cooler was fine; we weren't overclocking. AMDs stock cooler is pretty well rated for temp and noise, anyway.

I was gonna go with the 4-year old Plextor DVD from my old machine that fried (ahem-warning to all AMD T-bird series owners; great chips but if your cooling gets the least bit uncertain, watch out - internally they can get very hot...briefly); I don't burn much, and after all does it really matter if you load a game in 2 minutes vs 1 minute. However, while Michael was still building, the DVD on my second PC (my young son's, a recent but bottom of the line Dell) crapped out. I won't say I suspect mistreatment, but some of the CDs that go in there have been found to have fingerprints in a jelly-like substance (grape, I think.) So I scored a Plextor 755SA SATA drive for the new PC, again just before they discontinued the item, and put the recoverd one in the junior workhorse.

I still had my MS Natural keyboard, Logitech gaming mice, etc. I had not long before purchased separately a Dell 2405 24" widescreen LCD monitor (to DIE for!). Note that the Wide 24" format is a particular sweet spot because the native resolution is 1920x1200 - that means that if you are letter-boxing games, etc that don't do widescreen, you can get a natural 1600x1200 pixels. Thats also a way to run more demanding stuff with more features turned on, just set the card and monitor for the 3x4 ratio.

If I was selecting the components for a similar rig now, I'd have to make it an Intel box, probably a 6600 proc from the casual reading I've been doing. And I think the case for NV 8600/lower end 8800 v-cards is pretty compelling. I think my choices for other components would still be about the same. In particular, 4 Mb and high speed and low latency RAM still seems to be overkill.

I recently also ordered (not delivered yet) a Dell laptop. I like Dell's for ordinary stuff, and for configs you aren't going to mess with, like laptops, but you have to work their on-line coupons and watch their on-site discounts very carefully for a few weeks to get the best deal. Don't order any of their unnessary support plans, and work their configurator very carefully for the machine that just meets your needs. Generally that means starting with one of their low or mid-range offerings and adding just the plus-ups you want. If you start with one of their higher range baselines, you may find that some components that you want to economize on don't step down to the more modest parts available as upgrades on the mid-range configurator.

I used to really like ABS computers (www.abspc.com, I think). Still do, but in recent years they have become much more of a niche high performance, higher price-tag shop. You can still get a cutting edge rig from them for cheaper than VooDoo or Falcon or Alienware, however.

well, that about drains my expertise. I'm not actually an electron-herder myself, I just tend to do a lot of wide ranging reading when new machine time approaches, and I know some good sources.

drrider
Reply #152 Top
Forgot to mention the Corsair HX620 watt PSU. Really built by Seasonic, the king of quiet, high efficiency PSUs. Much reading on the subject, especially on SilentPCReview, also on Tom's Hardware Guide, convinced me that many conventional wisdom PSU wattage recommendations are overblown. Most current rigs (short of 7950 or 8800 SLI rigs) could probably run just fine forever on a 450 to 500w PSU. But I wanted headroom for a few years growth. The Corsair PSUs also have been tested to have very high power efficiency, so more of that rated power is actually available. I'm confident I'll eventually be able to run an upgraded CPU and an 8800-class card in this rig without changing PSU.

drrider
Reply #153 Top
Thanks a lot, drrider -- that will help me out a lot!
Reply #154 Top
One last word. If you're going to build or have built from parts, do some research. Maximimum PC (mag and .com), the tech sections of gaming mags and sites, Tom's Hardware Guide (oh, yeah!), Anandtech.com, CPU mag, SilentPCReview.com, FrostyTech.com, are all good places to get up to snuff on components. And read a number of full system reviews, reading between the lines for what the technical editors/reviewers consider really important; its not just about all power all the time.

When you've got some choices narrowed down, go read the manufacturers site writeups, and read some user reviews.

Use a price comparison site to to shop. PriceGrabber is better than most. But be careful, sometimes there are some major sources that aren'y part of their list, so you need to price shop those site independently (most pominent: New Egg).

and don't be reluctant to buy off-the shelf if the price for the features you want in the system meets of beats your target. Just shop around for coupons, rebbates and special on-site offers.

drrider

drrider

Reply #155 Top
My last game, achieved my aim of getting into the top 25. Just.

Now, I would like to play for the Evil Empire now with a new character, but I cannot see how to do it without removing my score for Makara from the Gerontocracy.
Reply #156 Top
Congrats, Embird! Good show!

As for the other empire, you should be able to use your league character in both the league and Evil Empire, or any empire, really. If you feel you would like to leave the Gerontocracy, though -- even if only temporarily -- I won't hold it against you.
Reply #157 Top
Y'know, ghost, I probably would have joined up with the 'Aged Empire' (good subtitle, no?) if you had gone with the name 'the Pre-Cursors'. The Gerontocracy, though...I feel I'm experienced, not old!
  

drrider
Reply #158 Top
That's a shame, drrider, because we'd certainly love to have you join us.
Reply #159 Top
A proposed compromise. How about "The Pre-Cursor Gerontocracy"?


drrider
Reply #160 Top
That was one of the original suggested names, I think. I'm not opposed, really. Anyone have a problem with amending the name a little bit?
Reply #161 Top
Ddrdrdrdrider - come on a seasoned empire for a seasoned guy. Join now the gerontos for FREE!


Small print in black (highlight to read):
All empires are for free
Reply #162 Top
no problem with the name change for me
Reply #163 Top
I like the name as it is, but perhaps I read too much of the wrong science fiction at some point.

Since we've raised the subject of recruiting, I think we should just kidnap Mumblefratz. The name, the avatar, the depth of curmudgeonliness...it just *says* Gerontocracy. Those scoremongers over in the Galactice Diplomats have plenty of firepower but they lack flavor. They don't deserve him.
Reply #164 Top
Well, guys, I FINALLY beat the Obscene level (out of about 10 starts, and =posted= stompings). Just posted yesterday. I had to tell someone, and you seemed like the right crowd.

Gigantic, Loose, all Rare, I think there were 9 factions (Random), Random minors - but there were 4 to start, Very Slow, playing Atarians, with extreme research focus.

I did contol-N to get a good setup. I think, with the above parameters, it is near essential. In any case, I never did find an out-system planet.

At about mid-game, the Arceans, at my back door, got the event that makes trash worlds (3s) out of the useless worlds in their system. I lucked out and got all 3, one of which flipped to them pretty quickly, but I was just in the course of exploiting 2 Infl resources. I got those pumped up and managed to save the other two little worlds until I could dump extra pop on them.

Eventually, I flipped the Yor, then flipped the Iconians, which put me competitively just behind the Drath, who had already knobbleded every other major. The Arceans were smaller, but long time allies of the Drath and positioned behind me, which helped keep the Drath from grabbing them. They were also my single 11-route trade partner, with trade bases along the route, so I didn't want to flip them for financial reasons.

So we sat there, getting along, all cranking up the tech and influence for awhile. I thought I had a pretty good chance at this point because, although I didn't have near the planet territory the Drath had, I controlled 80% of the unusually high (for Rare setting) number of resources on the map, and I was in the process of systematically enhancing/fortifying all of them.

Then the assassination event put me suddenly at war with the Arceans. Finances got rocky, and I was scared to death that the Drath would come in with the Arceans because they were already allies. I was Close already with the Drath, so I quick allied with them, which kept them out of the ensuing war.

As I said, the Arceans were smaller and lagging just a bit in the tech race, so after some initial successes against some of my less fully upgraded (and thankfully less critical) resource starbases, it turned out that their best fleets couldn't quite take my fully upgraded mil-resource base that was between our home stars.

I hadn't built many ships, just enough to make me look like a porcupine to most potential predators. I had only built Defenders, then kept upgrading them with latest tech, and adding a few at a time to the system protection fleets. I had also collected about 10 Rangers. I was in the process of bringing the five system protection fleets up to max logistic limit, to keep the so-far-friendly Drath from getting ideas, when the war broke out.

Turned out that my hi-tech, system-only protectors were good enough. The half-sized fleets were able to polish off raiders sniffing around the planets, with the aid of the Rangers patrolling out along the line of freighters I had trying to build new alternate trade routes to the Drath. My one fully maxed 50 log fleet of Final Defenders began making their slow way to Arcea.

Money got bad, but I had a 20K cushion and I was pop maxed (until I built a couple of big transports), so I was able to really push the taxes between elections. That and killing my (really expensive by this point) espionage program enabled me to get by until I could divert some constructors into my last few un-maxed eco resources. Toward the end of the war, 1-2 Drath freighters came to me, and 1-2 of my replacement freighters reached Dratha, but I was pretty much OK already.

A maxed up 50 log fleet of Final Defenders contains 16 fat little ships. They each mounted 5 Disruptors and a double layer of all ultimate defenses. They were each defending at ~28-30 vs any form of attack, but that didn't realy matter, because the fleet was attacking at 560-beam. They took about 10 weeks to get there, but they went through the Arcean home fleet dreadnaughts and battleships like a hot knife through butter (well, OK, maybe frozen butter).

When my newly built 4000 transport got there, it was pretty much all over. Seized the Arcean homeworld, plus my passel of little firepots had gotten there in time to save one of the marginal worlds I had in the Arcea system from a final assault. Between those two worlds and my 3-4 Influence resource bases, I had enough majestic presence to just wait about 4 turns and the remaining two Arcean worlds rebelled to my side.

Unfortunately, at that point, since I had been forced to take out some insurance at the beginning of the war in the form of that quickie allinance with the Drath, we got all mutually federated and the game ended. I had been really looking forward to seeing just how god-like all those resource bases (I only had about half fully developed) could make me. But I wasn't about to turn up my nose at my first ever Obscene win!

whew! I didn't really mean to make this into a mini-AAR when I started the report. Please forgive if you found it long winded or a bit mundane. I promise not to do it every time, but I had just been pounding my head against that Obscene glass ceiling for a long time. (ya know, that sounds a little like there is a very unique classic porno flick in there some where.)

regards,
drrider

Reply #165 Top
OK, ghost,

I'm in. Could you send me an invite?

drrider,
aka Bob
Reply #166 Top
Sounds like a fun game, drrider! One thing I like about this game is that each session I play seems very different from every other session. Or maybe I'm not at the level of play where it all starts to look the same, in which case please don't tell me

As for the name change, I can't really justify it, given the underwhelming response, but I am going to send you an invite anyway, drrider, because we'd love to have you, and I think you're a good fit for us anyway. Feel free to ignore it, if you like -- I won't be offended. I don't think any of us take the empire concept that seriously, heh.
Reply #167 Top
Oh, you asked to join while I was typing #166... oops!

Invite on its way -- welcome aboard, sir!
Reply #168 Top
Oh, it was great fun - for me. I think that the Great Empress of All That Really Matters may have felt differently...especially as I entered the third day / 40th hour of "I REALLY have a shot at this one!" Good thing I was off this week!.

BTW, for all you senior grognards out there, if you are not playing this game on a 1920x1200 monitor yet, shame on you. C'mon; our generation is running the planet - you can finally afford the right equipment to conquer the galaxy!

drrider
Reply #170 Top
C'mon; our generation is running the planet - you can finally afford the right equipment to conquer the galaxy!


"Right On"

Well, guys, I FINALLY beat the Obscene level (out of about 10 starts, and =posted= stompings). Just posted yesterday. I had to tell someone, and you seemed like the right crowd.


Congratulations drrider with your win on "obscene".

From your description it sounded like a really exciting game. Never underestimate those resources, they can make your economy/military/influence really take off, especially if you can max them out with every module available and backed up with some military modules and a small fleet to defend it (that strategy saved my bacon in my last game).

Thanks for sharing this.
Reply #171 Top
From your description it sounded like a really exciting game. Never underestimate those resources, they can make your economy/military/influence really take off, especially if you can max them out with every module available and backed up with some military modules and a small fleet to defend it (that strategy saved my bacon in my last game).

Thanks for sharing this.


Besides, for some reason I always find it delightful to watch that arrogant batch of Super Dominators polish off one or two poor, undeveloped, fringe stations, then throw away about a quadrillion credits worth of ships against my fully protected, 'Krak-de-Chevalier' SB, the one that is backed up by the military support SB about 6 squares back.

Gives me flashbacks to that great season-closer episode in DS9, somewhere around the 3rd season, where the Klingons and Romulans discover that the determinedly peaceful diplomacy of the DS9 staff is really a very respectable technique...for buying time to add planet-class shield generators and 400 photon torpedo launchers to the annoying little mining station.

(I am Sooo looking forward to Terror Stars.)

drrider
Reply #172 Top
Gives me flashbacks to that great season-closer episode in DS9, somewhere around the 3rd season, where the Klingons and Romulans discover that the determinedly peaceful diplomacy of the DS9 staff is really a very respectable technique...for buying time to add planet-class shield generators and 400 photon torpedo launchers to the annoying little mining station.


That was a great episode, I agree. That show quickly became my favourite of the Star Treks by the time it had finished.

Didn't start off all that great, though, so I can understand why some people tuned out.
Reply #173 Top
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Reply #174 Top
Since we've raised the subject of recruiting, I think we should just kidnap Mumblefratz. The name, the avatar, the depth of curmudgeonliness...it just *says* Gerontocracy. Those scoremongers over in the Galactice Diplomats have plenty of firepower but they lack flavor. They don't deserve him.


I'm with you on this GW

What we need to do is place an array of influence star bases (with cultural insurrection modules)around Mumble.
Reply #175 Top
We need to start recruiting the way the old British Navy did it, ie. Mumblefratz wakes up on a Gerontocracy vessel with a hangover and a large bump on the back of his head.

Wonder if Mumblefratz is even reading this thread, heh.