[quote]Once again, you're comments prove that you would rather be spoon fed by the incompetent press than learn a few things for yourself.[/quote] And your information comes from where? Unless you are able to be in all these places yourself you are getting info from tv, internet, newspapers, etc.
sorry for the double post:)...computer was acting funny.
[quote]That is just ridiculous. Sounds like something to hide behind. Maybe it proves that people aren't as worried about this situation. I'd wager that the idea of forming such a force is a low priority of issues troubling this nation, and the people recognize it as such.[/quote] I agree Kurtin I think the economy, health care, and getting out of Iraq are bigger, but its a nice idea.
[quote]That is just ridiculous. Sounds like something to hide behind. Maybe it proves that people aren't as worried about this situation. I'd wager that the idea of forming such a force is a low priority of issues troubling this nation, and the people recognize it as such.[/quote] I would agree Kurtin I think Obama's main focus is on getting the economy going and health care, and Iraq. Those are bigger fish to fry, but this civilian assistance corps sounds like a
[quote]Ok, so it's been several weeks since this proposal by Obama. Has anyone heard him questioned about it? Has anyone asked for clarificiation?[/quote] Yes I heard him talk about it, but I think you are saying it wrong, I think what Obama is proposing is " Civilian assistance corps" He wants 25,000 volunteers, that have expertise like doc's, engineers, former military, emergency officials, etc. That sort of thing in case of times of national disasters, like Katrina, o
[quote]If you actually think that this was the only reason Prs. Bush gave in 2002 then you are not only NOT reading from a Middle Eastern perspective, you aren't reading at all. You are simply regurgitating the BS you gladly swallowed by the incompetent press.[/quote] This is what I was told by my president as to what was our main reason. Of course he also told us that there was a link to al queda, and I know they went after his daddy in kuwait years before, and then their the o
[quote]I'm not so sure. Does the popular kid on the block get support from Hamas? Does the popular kid on the block sell himself as the next great hope of the world? Forget just the United States. He's selling himself as a Christian Muslim reaching out to the Jews and Arabs. My money says watch him carefully.[/quote] And Mccain hasnt reached out to them? please.
[quote]But what perspective are you reading? If you read from a Western perspective you will come off with a completely different picture than if you read the same things from an Arab perspective.[/quote] I read from mid-east perspectives as well along with others. I know that in Saudi Arabia they are still taught the the US is evil, and I do understand that these sects in Iraq have been fighting for thousands of years. So then why did we go there? We failed to look
[quote]Sorry, tell me again the last time you were in the Middle East?[/quote] I dont need to be somewhere to know history, All I need to know how to do is read.
[quote]Baathists were only in power because of murder, rape, torture and the threat of such. Why would anyone let even one of these pieces of scum stay in any position of importance?[/quote] Yes the political leaders but there were many who were baathists that were in positions of immense power who could care less about politics. The baathist political leaders and other activists who proported crimes such as you talked about should be removed.
[quote]Removing the Baathists is part of the way we have done things since WWII, it works, we removed everyone that was a Nazi, vetted them and the ones we could trust were put back in place where they were needed. The same was done in Japan, Italy, and France.[/quote] Patton didnt and guess what his area of control was in the best shape in terms of things running and working than all the others.
[quote]Why do you long for the days when the Baathists were in power instead of celebrate freedom for the people of Iraq?[/quote] I dont, but the fact is that the baathists that were removed from the secretarial jobs, the engineering jobs, running the electric grid, the trains and so on have caused the people of Iraq ALOT of undue pain, and there is no denying that, even most rebuplicans admit this now.
[quote]I was on the planning staff for the rescue of hostages in Iran because my unit was supposed to be the first in if we used the Marine plan, I helped write the marine plan (as a minor player). Five plans were presented to the President. His advisors chose the one that was most politically correct rather than the one that had the best chance of success. The problem with liberals is that they don’t trust the Generals so they try to run the show even when they don’t know what th
[quote]So after more than 20 years of not teaching ethics you expect that just because people take a few classes that the classes will instantly change the way people are? How many times have you read the truth about something and ignored it because it goes against your beliefs on the topic?[/quote] These classes have been ongoing at UPS for the last 13 years, I have been there over 15, and they have to go every quarter. So its hardly a few.
[quote]And just how did you get this secret information of the payoffs? Could it be that you got it from the news? If that is the case then it is not a secret is it. Having worked in the area many years ago I know that it is just the way business is done. The great revelation you are disclosing is of the same shocking news value as the revelation that we pay income taxes.[/quote] So then why dont they just say it?
[quote]Hmm, one 'arse', one 'bitching', and one 'asses.' So it's the use of 'bitching' that's gotten you so upset? Good grief, you need to grow a thicker skin and quit being such a pussy if you're going to survive around here for long, you pathetic little whiner. You aren't my mother. You aren't the author of this thread, either, and if anyone has the right to chastise another contributor on this thread it would be the thread's author, Island Dog. If you must BITCH about it, I'd suggest
[quote]Please tell me how we have not confronted our mistakes.[/quote] Not saying that we have not, what I am saying is that everyone rags on Obama because he mentions that we have done some bad things, well its true. Lets not rag on the guy about it. Bush has admitted mistakes as have most presidents and nominees, why do we treat Obama different was what I was saying.
[quote]You now have to take ethics again because we stopped teaching it and the reason for teaching the class slapped us in the face 20 years later when those kids became business leaders with no ethical or moral compass.[/quote] All I can say about this is that where I work supervisors have to take these classes and they dont work. I have been a Shop Steward for several years and I can tell you without a doubt that there is not one supervisor that I have come across that will t
[quote]President Bush’s opponents whine about the record unemployment of 4.9% that has gone all the way up to 5.7% while forgetting that the lowest President Clinton had was 5.8% and it was touted as the lowest unemployment in history.[/quote] Unemployment numbers are always misleading....They dont count the number of people that have expire off the rolls.
[quote]He undertook a massive 30% tax cut allowing more Americans to have more money. In a sense he gave us all a pay raise. Because President Carter had cut the military budget so badly we could not fight a war or rescue hostages, the next thing was to rebuild the military and pay them. (Personal experience, one of my corporals was married and living on base, because he was in the military he is forbidden to hold another job. The only way he could feed his family was to apply and receive wel
[quote]Funny how facts can be twisted. You think the hoods/insurgents/Iranians weren't paying Iraqis to perpetuate the violence? Once the Iraqis had a choice of payrolls to be on, look whose they chose. Whatever you choose to call it, the change in tactics and the additional boots on the ground "worked" whether you will concede it or not.[/quote] Our boots on the grouund have always done a great job there...my point was that the troop surge didnt work the "Money Surge" worked. S
[quote]That sounds like something our current administration would do, and has done, manipulate the constitution for thier own gain. Please explain what you mean here. Give examples if you can.[/quote] Wire taping illegally I think that's probably the best one and it leads to some many other things in the name of national security.
Hey Paladin thanks for your service man I really appreciate the men and women who serve, my dad was in the national guard for over 20 years and my sister is in the security police in the AF and has been for about 7 years(4 tours to kuwait/Iraq already). Unfortunatly, for me due to a physical problem(ear/hearing) I was unable to serve, But Kudos to you for doing so. [quote]I heard the same trash about President Reagan and now they all cheer him as the great communicator, he untie
Little whip you may also want to read my statements more closely I wasnt even refering to the word arse, but I said "your next statement" Which was a different word.
[quote]Next he's going to try to make the case that his "National Security Force" is what the 2nd Amendment's original intent. He'd use the word "Militia" but mean the US equivalent to "Hitler-Jugend". It's ironic that he talks about a "National Security Force" while wanting to disarm the people. Only tyrants and criminals fear guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.[/quote] That sounds like something our current administration would do, and has done, manipulate the constituti