Mooseplow

[quote]While I agree with you this is the MO of the Dems. They think that they know best about everything which is why they take every opportunity to bloat the government powers more and more because they simply can't let people think for themselves at all.[/quote] Why do Republicans continue to say dems are big government people? Look at the last 20 years Bush 1 made government bigger, Clinton shrunk it(to Thunderous republican applause in the state of the unions), and Bush 2

[quote]Under carter wealthiest were paying 76% that came down during reagan and bush to I beleive 35% and under Bush to 33% for top tax bracket.[/quote] I check myself on this one the exact number are as follows Carter Years 70-71% Reagan Bush(most of the years)28.9% Clinton years 39.8% Bush years 33-35% Still they paying much less now than at most times in our modern history.

[quote]I guess you dont know since they are now paying more than at any time in history. But dont let facts get in your way of good talking points. Just remember the yachts genius.[/quote] Percentage wise you are wrong my friend and that is what counts....By your logic we are all paying more than at anytime in history for everything. Under carter wealthiest were paying 76% that came down during reagan and bush to I beleive 35% and under Bush to 33%

[quote]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/obamas_economic_fairytale.html[/quote] Written by a conservative(Sarcasticaly) "this must be history and completely 100% accurate just like a non-partison report."

[quote]Yeah sucking money from the economy by raising taxes during a downturn is genius (sarcasm for those who miss it). Are you one of Obama's economic advisers? [/quote] It really depends on whom you raise taxes, the wealthiest americans are paying the least in taxes they have paid I know since before carter, but my guess is that it goes back way before that. I know that during carter the tax rate was 75%, which I agree is way to high. A better rate might be about 35-40

[quote]There are a lot of stories in the naked city, and Obama is losing on this one.[/quote] I disagree it make for a great sound byte. "AHH I have a bunch of homes but I really dont know how many I have." Plays very well to the middle class.....Even some of my republican friends I have talked to admitted that this looks and sounds very bad. Unfortunately we shouldnt have to listen to it but McCain has made this type of attack apart of his campaign.&n

[quote]And you think Obama's 4 million dollar house makes him more in touch? Surrreeee! Let me go take a look at MY 4 million dollar house. Yea right![/quote] Just to get this right, because I know how sticky you conservatives are about the truth and history, McCain's people even said it was a million dollar home. And let me tell you I live in Wisconsin and have actually gone shopping with Chicago friends for homes in Chicago, it doesnt take much to b

[quote]Mooseplow, I was hoping you would prove to be an intelligent left leaning person who might be fun to lock horns with. I was wrong. You are left leaning, but have the intelligence of a pixie stick. Yes I dismiss you, not because you are left leaning, but because you're a total idiot.[/quote] You would think differently if you met me, but whatever you almighty one. I shall kneel to your all knowing 1 quote of vague proof.

Let me also apoligize right away. I just got the game Political Machine and just started on this web site as I am sure you can all see. I know you dont know me from jack and my intention was not to come on this forum and start lecturing everyone who has been on here for many years. I hope to have as many posts as you all do in the future and be respected. But I am used to debating people in my own realm and have just kind of jumped in here as if you all were people I know in

[quote]You still missed the point, you have to prove it was untrue, and then you have to prove that they knew it was untrue and published the lie with malicious intent. If you can’t prove the malice then there is no libel or slander. How many celebrities have had reports of affairs with aliens, are you suggesting that they don’t sue because it is true?[/quote] I agree you do have to prove it was untrue, but just as someone did reasearch for their article people with the re

[quote]I offer you links and facts, you offer tripe that can only be backed up with some variation of "they wouldn't do that!"[/quote] While I have been in this conversation I think you have offered one link to a fact which I just asked for clarification on. The other link you offered was to Trinity church, which when I offered info from Obama's site people here just dismissed it. Why should I not just dismiss that as people here did to me? You are taking info right

[quote]Your father was out of work for 14 months? What was his field?[/quote] He was a journeyman machinst, he worked in manufacturing, specifically he made cement trucks at the time. Many of these jobs went away and never came back.

[quote]Okay this is where you don’t have the benefit of having been an adult during the Reagan administration and that has messed up your understanding. Talk radio was all liberal until Rush Limbaugh came on the scene in 1988 with one station that quickly grew because people wanted to hear something different, the truth for the most part. There was no fox news, there was only the big three ABC, CBS, and NBC. Cable news did not get going until just before the Gulf war, it was where CNN m

[quote]About a third of national journalists (34%) and somewhat fewer local journalists (23%) describe themselves as liberals; that compares with 19% of the public in a May survey conducted by the Pew Research Center. Moreover, there is a relatively small number of conservatives at national and local news organizations. Just 7% of national news people and 12% of local journalists describe themselves as conservatives, compared with a third of all Americans.[/quote] Yes they are t

[quote]Are you learning these words as you write them?[/quote] A bit condesending one might say. And no I am 36 years old not 28 and I have the birth ciertificate to prove it. I saw my father live though some pretty interesting times and have always (since about 10 years old been interested in politics as I watched my father(a journeyman machinst) get laid off for 14 months when Reagan began sending our jobs overseas so we could have cheaper goods and "help" the economy.&n

[quote]If you want to be taken seriously by other bloggers, repond with a few thoughts of your own, in your own words, instead of repeating the tired soundbites you have littered the forums and blogs with here at JU.[/quote] Or just become a conservative and then you will...Every argument you made about news, and history I could say the same exact thing to you. Your reading the wrong stuff...how do you know you are oh so right and I am oh so wrong?

[quote]I demonstrated to you how incompetent the press is on a matter you brought up, yet you ignored it like I never pointed it out. You are free to disagree with me all you want, but if you are going to tell me I'm wrong, back it up with at least as much in your rebuttal as I offered in mine.[/quote] I must have missed it can you refresh me, I am going on 4-5 hours of sleep a night:)

[quote]Apparenlty your woefully ignorant on this point also. Again, I waste my time offering links and quotes to you, but here goes..[/quote] Please read "The Republican Noise Maker" Not to mention who owns the airwaves with talk shows, who owns fox, who owns print material. Not liberals. Sure I guess we got CNN, and to some extent nbc but everything else is advantage conservative.

[quote]That's the point, in 2 years in the Senate he has never once championed a single issue. I don't like Hillary a bit, but at least she has accomplished a few things in her time on the hill. Even if we go back to his days in Illinois State government, there is still no real record of accomplishments.[/quote] Actually you are quite wrong he has been involved in some very serious issues just to name 3 off the top of my head. 1.)Coauthored a bill with a top republican to limi

I would just like to say I am not some little boy who needs to be taught and lectured on matters. I have my opinions and just because I get facts from someplace you dont like or agree with doesnt mean its not the "right" history. You guys rag about the "liberal media" yet the media is so overwhelmed by conservatives its not even funny. By the way have you guys heard of Defamation? That is things such as libel and slander. Both of these things people can sue you f

[quote]I'm not talking about his actions as a candidate (at least not in this part), I'm talking about the man, Barack Obama. He's had ample opportunity to act on every issue he claims to care about. We don't need a campaign soundbite to know what he's about, we have his record... and it speaks for itself.[/quote] Yet out of the other end we hear he has no record because hes only been in the senate 2 years, you guys cant have it both ways either he doesnt have a record to stand or he

[quote]I'm sure Mooseplow has been to the Obama website and read the collective plans himself. Just because someone supports a cause for the democratic party doesn't mean they were taught such a way by the media. Perhaps you should go to the sites of both candidates as an informed American and understand what the two camps are both saying at any given time from their own perspectives.[/quote] Been to the site and heard him talk about it as well.

when I say like him I am refering to Obama, and him drawing the big crowds

[quote]Yes, McCain does diplomacy. Obama does overseas campaigning.[/quote] its the same thing, its just that you like to look at it differently because McCain is your choice. I mean when McCain went to Iraq he had a huge contingent following him and he was meeting people and campaigning. Same thing. It just that more foreigners like him...hmmm maybe it would be nice to have a president that is liked and respected in the world again....maybe we can get something done

If you guys also want to continue talking about the left leaning media, I have a good book fo ryou to read written bya big republican. Its called "The Rebuplican Noisemaker." Check it out. These are words and ideas written by a insider republican.