[quote]No, that is not a license (and there are licenses for fathers). So you must be lying, you are not a licensed father. By your logic.[/quote] Sometimes I wonder if you have logic and a reasonable appreciation for the world.
[quote]Great additional point! I suppose when Mooseplow says he is a father that is a lie, since he is not licensed either.[/quote] actually I do have a licence so to speak its a birth certificate of my children, but some things dont require them. To have a child does not require skill per say. To learn to be a plumber does hence the difference.
[quote]But the vast majority of Americans do not disagree with me. That is why we are American first, and not the 11 province of Canada or Englands latest commonwealth member.[/quote] I get that but what you sound to be saying is that we should never listen to our friends no matter what. Screw them and do what we want all the time no matter what. That isnt right that is not a civilized society like we claim to be. That is not a compassionate society either. Th
[quote]When you add all levels of taxation, the marginal rate of the rich is already above 50%. SO I guess you agree it should not be raised.[/quote] no my reference is to income tax only. [quote]Oh? And where did the jobs come from? The poor? On the contrary, history shows that it indeed does. The poor do not create jobs. The poor take jobs.[/quote] Actually history shows that jobs are best created when the middle class is stong and has good purchasing power, ri
[quote]He did? Now how do you know that? BUYING - future tense. SO you are now God?[/quote] once again he flat out it in interviews, I am not god just taking his own words. [quote]So do I, but they never came to me. Obama went to him. You seem to be overlooking that little detail.[/quote] Have you seen the video joe, I mean sam, called him over. [quote]Face it MP. Joe did not lie. But you are out to get him because he dared question the new messiah (as i
[quote]Neither does mine, and he does not need it. YOu lied.[/quote] To actually be a plumber on his own with his own business he does:)
DRGUY how am I supposed to catch up to you in posts if you keep responding to me all the time....lol
[quote]And going further we are the same as amoebas. But then you can take anything to an extreme. But America is not (note the use as a pronoun) is not like any other countries (just as it would be very difficult to find 2 countries identical anywhere else in the world). For the most part, our system has not been exported. Mostly the european system (thanks a lot to the imperialism of Europe from about the 15th century until the late 20th).[/quote] As you have said to me I now sa
[quote]Truthful? I have not touched on that issue, and it does not appear to be related to the discussion. If you like, I will freely admit that honest politician is an oxymoron.[/quote] Its good you still have your sense of humor, but I am refering to all people. Everyone lies, be it on a really small level or a large level.
[quote]Sadly, all you have proven is that you do know how to cherry pick.[/quote] I find this repeated statement funny as you are the one who has yet to really deal with what I brought forth other than to say that it was failed government policies. By the way who was in charge before these time periods that you said they were failed government policies? Seem to me that it was republicans. 1921-1933--3 different republican presidents, 1981-1993--2 republican president
[quote]Since nothing was taken from them, they are not deprived. Third, everyone suffers. It is called life. You cannot eliminate suffering.[/quote] Wrong. The whole idea of what you advocate is that the reason the government taxes rich people less is that they CREATE something for the middle class and poor....JOBS. When this doesnt happen(And once again in history is doesnt) they are deprived. About the suffering why cant we cure it? Funny I always thought
[quote]OR when taxes are kept high.[/quote] I agree I dont think that the rich should be taxed at the levels we saw years ago...60% or higher. But I think that a reasonable rate would be 40-50. As compared to history that is pretty decent.
[quote]He said he was getting ready to buy a business. Can you show me evidence that he wasn’t making plans to buy a business?[/quote] Check my previous post, he also said in other interviews that he was not getting ready to buy a business.
[quote]Dont we all want to corner candidates? But try it! The FACT is that Obama sought him out. It seems the only people lying here are the liberals. Just to destroy a simple man that asked a question. WOW! That is the world I want to live in! NOT[/quote] yes I am sure we do. but I dont see where liberals are lying. [quote]Not always. I dont see you getting sued for libel yet.[/quote] I have not lied, you just dont agree with facts.
[quote]He did? Now how do you know that? BUYING - future tense. SO you are now God?[/quote] He said it in the following days. "I just told him(obama) that I just wanted to corner one of these guys"
[quote]Yes he is. Why are you lying about him?[/quote] No he isnt...does he hold a plumbers licence? NOPE.....In order to be an actual plumber you have to hold a plumbers licence. I never said that he didnt do plumbing. I just said he is not a plumber and without a licence states will not recognize you as a plumber.
[quote]But the so called lies were found out illegally by people that were "out to get him" and why were they out to get him" because Joe dared question the holy one, Obama.!!! period.[/quote] Doesnt matter IF they were obtained illegally or not, its symantics.....he lied....When you put yourself in front of everyone that is what you risk people trying to find out everything about you. We all know this.
[quote]Only because the liberal won, and they were doing the tampering. The sad fact is that as long as the liberals do not win, there will always be screams of tampering. WIthout a shred of evidence to back up the claims. But as we have seen, liberals do not care about evidence, just the claim.[/quote] Bush/gore 2000 there was plenty of proof that jeb did some pretty shady stuff but we'll just sweep that under the rug. Fact is that there are low qaulity people on both side t
[quote]But the economy cannot stay up forever, and as we see,[/quote] Yes especially in times when taxes on the rich are left low as history has shown thanks again for proving me right. [quote]and if you screw it hard, it gets worse[/quote] my point exactly we agree if you keep screwing the economy by giving to the rich they just keep most of it and the middle class and poor suffer. [quote]but by bad government policy.[/quote] Right and one of those MAJ
[quote]OH wait! this is a free land and we are supposed to be able to question our leaders. MY BAD![/quote] we are supposed to question our leaders not because we are able to but as a part of being good citizens, and there are always reprecussions when you lie.
[quote]Can you tell me specifically what he lied about?[/quote] he lied about being a plumber(hes not) and he lied to Obama buying a business. He also went further in an interview to say "I just wanted to corner one of those guys" So it sounds like he did it for spite to me. [quote]No one here suggested that Joe the plumber was a hero except you and TA.[/quote] I just suggested that he wasnt. I have heard way too many conservatives say that he is that
[quote]what pretty much the whole world regards as a great step forward[/quote] Its funny because republicans say that the whole world is wrong. All these other countries are wrong and they are right. But when Obama wins the whole world rejoices at the chance for true freedom and cooperation among the worlds counties again. Maybe just maybe the republicans could be wrong as most people elsewhere and now many who have seen the light here thinks they are?????
[quote]And not a mention that this information (back taxes) was obtained illegally?[/quote] Really you know this? you were there? and might I say not a mention from any of you about the fact that he lied period, as I said the symantics or reasons dont matter. HE LIED AND IS NOT A HERO. That was the point nothing else.
[quote]This is a truth, but then again none of us really know what went on about how anything was formented in any of the camps, either McCain's camp or Obama's!.[/quote] Very true I wonder what really happens behind the scenes with all this. I guess we will probably never know the whole truth.
[quote]The MSM attack dogs that went after Joe or Sam whatever someone wants to call him shows how desperate the Obama camp did not want to answer simple questions about the economy and people Obama wanted to tax. How dare any American citizen have the unmitigated nerve to ask "oh great Hussein" a question when he was not in front of a teleprompter!!![/quote] If you listen to the entire exchange I think Obama did explain his position quite clearly.