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I took your "coincidence" comment to be sarcasm. I see I was mistaken, so I apologise. I think we (U.S.) should quit being hypocrites (mainly those men and women in Congress) and deal with ALL Humanitarian violators if that is going to be our mission, either go after them all or none at all, right? <br

We're going to be paying the price for "stopping communism at any cost" for a long time. Bin Laden and Hussein being just two examples. Were we the only ones who enabled Saddam? No, of course not. But I'm an American, so I want to fix the problems of America before pointing out the problems around the world. Nothing is black and white. And I hope I never lose my "starry eyed idealism" and give in to "what's in it for me at this mo

I don't think people who vote should be arrested for outstanding bills. On the whole, though, I gotta go with GX on this one. I need to see more evidence of this.

Yes, yes, the other post is partisan. So go comment on it on THAT thread. This post is not. Just something thought provoking. I am a liberal. I don't deny it. I post a lot of pro-liberal sentiments. But not every time. Sheesh. Republicans were in bed with Saddam for years. But that's not the subject of this thread. So keep those oranges out of these apples. The purpose of this post is to make the

So if bombing was "needless" in 1998, and I agree it was, does that mean it's needless now? Yeah, China is the same deal as Iraq. Only worse. We refuse to address much of China's human rights record because we like cheap Chinese goods. Lastly, your insinuation that Clinton bombed Iraq to distract from Monica is not even worth comment. I might as well say that Bush went after Iraq to distract from the recession. Which I don't bel

I'm not a Democrat. Yes, Dems were wrong about this, too. But Reagan did a lot of this without the knowledge or approval of Congress. There are other flavours of liberal in the world. Supporting evil to combat evil is idiotic. We will continue paying the price for such mistakes.

I never claimed that I wasn't partisan. Just that this wasn't meant as a partisan post, just something thought provoking.

Dude, Ronald Reagan BUILT Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. I have several threads on the subject. Reagan gave money and weapons to Iraq -- and it was Reagan who took Iraq off the terrorist watch list -- and Carter who had put Iraq ON that list. It was Reagan who gave bin Laden money to fight the Soviets, allowing him to create the system of mujahedeen that became al-Qaeda. You want to fault Clinton and Carter, well, go ahead, they had their scre

*laugh* You underestimate the power of the GOP blinders, my friend.

1979 also marks the year Saddam Hussein became president of Iraq; prior to that he had been vice president, and a member of the ruling Ba'ath party (which itself had been helped into power in 1963 with CIA assistance). In November 1979 came the Iranian hostage crisis, when students took Americans at the US embassy in Tehran hostage, and held them for over a year. In late 1979 Preside

Nothing partisan meant by the article, I just found it interesting. But you say that oil sanctions were bad? That's the USA's baby, too. Sure, Sadaam was bad -- so bad that Reagan gave him tons of chashola. Republicans will climb in bed with anyone *grin*

If America were Iraq, What would it be Like? President Bush said Tuesday that the Iraqis are refuting the pessimists and implied that things are improving in that country. What would America look like if it were in Iraq's current situation? The population of the US is over 11 times that of Iraq, so a lot of statistics would have to be multiplied by that number. Thus, violence killed 300 Iraqis last week, the equivalent propo

The Congressional Budget Office projected that this election-year's federal deficit will hit a record $422 billion, breaking last year's record of $375 billion. Will a re-elected Bush continue to set records of this nature? The U.S. trade deficit soared to a record $55.8 billion in June, the government reported, coming in far wider than economists had expected as climbing oil prices led to a record level of imports. This beats the previous r

Middle East Newsline is reporting that the Iraqi National Guard is plagued by a desertion rate of up to 80%. A recent U.S. report states that the ING (formerly the "Iraqi Civil Defense Corps") is not trained to fight insurgents armed with rocket propelled grenades -- the most popular weapon of the Iraqi Insurgency. "Effective Iraqi security forces are critical for transitioning security responsibilities to Iraq," the Government Accounting Offi

Oil might not have been a main motivation FOR the war, but it certainly was a carrot held in front of the American people to get SUPPORT for the war. Remember them telling us that Iraqi oil revenue would pay for the war? This was a grand idea that a few lone voices at the time said wouldn't work -- and SURPRISE, it isn't working. But let's talk more about it. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage: “This is not Afghanistan…When we approach

I know the ADHD masses have problems with long posts. But this is only a fraction of the info I have collected. Bush doesn't care about anyone but the rich and connected. His administration is at war with the American people, and will be satisfied only if we are voiceless autmotans keeping the machinery of production for the rich going. Bush's War on Social Programs *Cut Medicaid by converting it into a block grant program

*laugh* now I can quit clipping pictures of bush out of magazines to wipe my ass with -- they're a bit rough on the bum, you know.

Excerpted from Michael Moore (Oh noooooooooooooo) .com -- hate the man, but this is factual. 1983-88: WE LOVE SADDAM. On December 19, 1983, Donald Rumsfeld was sent by your dad and Mr. Reagan to go and have a friendly meeting with Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq. Rummy looked so happy in the picture. Just twelve days after this visit, Saddam gassed thousands of Iranian troops. Your dad and Rummy seemed pretty happy with the results beca

finacially back them no concrete proof of that ALL TERRIOST want American citizens dead. Is Yusuf Islam a terrorist? We should have arrested

*laugh* It was meant to be humorous. Other conservatives were happy about electoral-vote.com when bush was up by 88 or more votes -- including Krauthammer. Now, it isn't to be trusted. I apologise for specifically claiming Wingman was one of them. *rolls eyes* Don't get mad about a little joke about your intelligence by spouting back off with remarks about mine. Ah, well. They don't bother me in the least. If you can't

To state that this war was a simple oil grab is oversimplifying the issue. I have a longer post on little whip's thread about this. Oil was a motivation, but not the ONLY motivation. And they say BUSH has a problem only seeing black and white...

ideologically aligned with radical factions of Islam That's not what I said. I said there's no proof that he knew where the money was going. I never claimed that he didn't support the anti-Rushdie fatwa, and I never claimed he wasn't a radical. Read what I wrote again, and don't put words in my mouth

This is another non-story. There are a lot more important things we could be talking about.

unanimously behind the President Not unanimously. There were a lot of us who say "oh, hell, here comes Imperator Bush." I was 100% behind the families of the victims. But being for my country doesn't mean I was for the president. <TABLE cellpadding=8 width="95%" align=center bgColor=#FFF39

Yusuf Islam has been an active fundraiser for groups that channel money to Hamas. I don't think that's actually been proven. I did some checking and there's no real proof that he knew the charity he was contributing to was channeling money to Hamas. On the other hand, there's no proof he DIDN'T know,