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Bush Hits back - Dems Reveal hand

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Bush and Cheney have been on the offensive lately.  Some say it is way overdue.  They are refuting the claims of the Democrat leadership that they were in the dark.  (Yea, I know, they are always in the dark).

But Rep Murtha played their hand today.  He called for a complete and utter retreat from Iraq.  Forget the 2000 Americans and the other allies losses!  Time to pull out!

So the democrats are finally getting honest, if not smarter.  Murtha has shown that the democrats, who voted for the war before they voted against it, have one simple agenda.

The defeat of America will mean the defeat of Bush!  So let us pack up and leave and admit defeat so we can say Bush was defeated!  Forget all those men and women who sacraficed for the 30 million iraqis!

Forget the fact that while the bacteria still exist and continue to target more innocents than troops are losing.  Forget the fact that we have liberated a country where a despot routinely slaughtered those he did not like.  Forget all that!

Let's cut and run!

You know what is more sickening than not having a policy, as the democrats have not had for 5 years.  What is more sickening is that they detest the troops so much that they want to trash them to get to Bush.

That is what is truly sickening!

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, and it's an especially low blow to try to paint Murtha as someone who "detests" the troops. This is man with impeccable military credentials;


A man with such high credentials who has been in the same shoes as those in Iraq ATM should be the first one to acknowledge that a "Strategical Withdrawal", as someone else put it, would be an insult to everything they worked hard for and the sacrifces they have made like being far away from their families for long periods or time, missing every birthday, holiday and even death of loved ones, missing births of their own children, not being able to say goodbye before lossing their lives, not being able to even touch their newborns before giving up their lives to give people from another part of the world a chance to takes the same life they get to live everyday in the US. I guess all that doesn't matter.

Not one person here has given a good enough excuse to say that our boys need to come home for the right reasons. Whether they were sent in for the wrong reasons or not, in the end they are doing a good thing for the people of Iraq and the that should not be ignored.

I am ashamed to think that some Americans only value the Freedom they enjoy everydays but don't feel that others deserve it as well and that sacrifising ourselves to give others the oportunity to enjoy it as well is a waste of time. How do we ever expect to make this world a better place for our children when we are not able to sacrifice ourselves to accomplish that goal, instead we are selfish and only think of ourselves.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'm not questioning my masters, because I have no masters, you fool.

The only warning you are going to get.  Dont come on my blog and start calling me names.  The Black list feature works very well.

That being said, I know you are wrong, because you cant make a point without resorting to name calling.  It is not I who is deluded.  It is you.

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

The problem with your statement is that the administration has not given any indiaction that this "war" will ever end. There will always be terrorism, especially in the middle east. The people that I personally know that have served in Iraq or have in the past feel that they completed the mission that they were sent there to do.

I dont remember Truman giving a time table either.  WHy are you not yelling for that one?  How about Bosnia?  We were given a timetable by your beloved leader.  Guess what?  We are still there.  Your myopia is rampant.

Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top

Oh gee whiz, conservatives are just getting desperate now, aren't you?

Uh,no.  Murtha is a liberal.  Better get a score card is you cant keep the players straight.

Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top

Bush has said over and over again what the goals and meaning of victory are. Just because you choose to childishly act as if he hasn't, well, that is your choice.

The Liberal Mantra:  If you dont tell me what I WANT to hear, then I cannot hear you.

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

how many republicans voted in favor of the senate's accountability resolution? how many democrats? whose hand is being revealed?

The Democrats.  I thought I made that clear.  Sorry you are confused.

Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top

Now this is a low blow.

Everytime an allegation is made (the latest being White Phosphorous), they see that as a way to get to Bush.  But they are damning the troops for it is the troops who are over there, not Bush.

Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top

Is it not reasonable to believe that to support the troops the sooner we pull out the fewer will die? Besides, Murtha is advocating "pulling back" the troops from the upclose combat zone that has no front. The Marines call that "strategic withdrawal."

So the logic goes.  But if you pull out too soon, then the couontry reverts to what it was, and every soldier who has died trying to stablize it has died in vain.

Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top

That isn't concern, that is political opportunism.

Exactly, and it is sickening.

Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top

Yes, and it's an especially low blow to try to paint Murtha as someone who "detests" the troops. This is man with impeccable military credentials;

So had Kerry apparently.  The past is his accomplishments.  The present is his shame.

Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top

Because if you cut and run now and you invalidate their deaths and their sacrifices.

Something that he left, in their zeal to harpoon Bush fail to realize what they are telling the soldiers.

Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top

I know you're an economist, and this is pretty much a textbook example of a sunk cost.

Or startup costs.  To use your analogy, How many businesses make a profit their first year?  Every life lost is tragic.  But to only do something half assed cheapens those that were lost.  For that is saying they lost them for nothing.

Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top

I would like to see how you react when someone promisses to help you out with something only to leave you hanging.

That seems to be what they want us to do.

Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top

a "Strategical Withdrawal", as someone else put it, would be an insult to everything they worked hard for and the sacrifces they have made

Well put. He has forgotten what it is all about.

Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
The whole "Timetable" thing is the whining of politicians who have nothing else to use to back their point. In Desert Storm we had no timetable, when we deployed we had no idea when we were coming home, we didn't even have a rotation schedule. Then again, there was a "timetable" given for Bosnia, and it has turned out to be the longest "year" in history.

The fact is, we have NEVER fought a war based on a calendar, so what makes it so all fired important now? It keeps small minds' tongues flapping, and that's about it.

These politicians say they "support the troops" but then can't seem to get themselves to acknowledge any of the troops accomplishments. If your boss kept telling you that he or she "supports" you, but does nothing but trash the job you do, how long would YOU believe that "support" is real?
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
just a side note comment, the marines never retreat or have a strategic withdrawal , we attack to the REAR!
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have no quibble with Murtha's military background & credentials & he rightly deserves our respect. But having them doesn't make him infallible or confer on him any special status.

He was a soldier. He is a politician.

His position is wrong, apparently based on nothing more than emotion. I do have a quibble with that.

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Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top

If your boss kept telling you that he or she "supports" you, but does nothing but trash the job you do, how long would YOU believe that "support" is real?

Who told you about my Boss Willis?

Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top

just a side note comment, the marines never retreat or have a strategic withdrawal , we attack to the REAR!

That one I know!

Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top

He was a soldier. He is a politician.

Exactly!

Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have no quibble with Murtha's military background & credentials & he rightly deserves our respect. But having them doesn't make him infallible or confer on him any special status.

He was a soldier. He is a politician.

His position is wrong, apparently based on nothing more than emotion. I do have a quibble with that.



Nice, couldn't have said it better myself.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top

Nice, couldn't have said it better myself.

He does have a way of cutting to the quick of things.

Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top

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Maybe, just maybe you should listen to your own leaders.  Just maybe:

Democrats largely defended the Vietnam War veteran's patriotism but declined to support his call for a quick withdrawal.

Or the current troops:

"Here on the ground, our job's not done," Army Col. James Brown, commander of the 56th Brigade Combat Team in Iraq, said Friday. "We have to finish the job that we began here. It's important for the security of this region and certainly it's important and in the vital interests of the United States of America."

Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
Maybe, just maybe you should listen to your own leaders. Just maybe:
Democrats largely defended the Vietnam War veteran's patriotism but declined to support his call for a quick withdrawal.


I never said I advocated a "quick withdrawal". I said I think it's despicable for you to imply that Murtha detests the troops.

Try again.
Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top
I never said I advocated a "quick withdrawal". I said I think it's despicable for you to imply that Murtha detests the troops.

Try again.


No matter how you spin this.....Murtha is a fekking idiot!