ELECTION IN AFGHANISTAN SHOWS FATAL FLAW IN BUSH POLICY

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The highly publicized election in Afghanistan yesterday has documented the fatal flaw in the foreign policy George W. Bush is pursuing which is, the Spreading Democracy Theory. This is the holy Grail of foreign-policy which is supposed to make America safer and for which we are willing to sacrifice our young men and women.

The problem with this idea is that in many areas of Afghanistan, the voters DID NOT KNOW any candidates running for office. At the polling places, voters talked among themselves as to who each was going to vote for since no one knew any of the candidates. They did not know what they stood for and might as well have closed their eyes and voted. The reason for this is the candidates were afraid to campaign or make themselves known for fear of assassination. This is the very same thing that has taken place in many locations in Iraq. Many candidates in the highly touted Iraqi election were not known until the voters saw their names on the ballot FOR THE FIRST TIME when they voted! George Bush does not realize that the Muslim populations in these countries are simply not ready for democracy. Until there is security, that will allow candidates to make themselves and what they stand for known to the voters, there can be NO REAL DEMOCRACY! We are not even close to that in either Iraq or Afghanistan!
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Idiot, you are whining over a detail because you are too stupid, too blind and too much a bigot to see passed your own little peabrained view of the world.

Like the infantile fool, you hold the elections in Afghanistan to an impossibly high standard, just so you can sit on your butt and spew out your complete lack of insight.

The fact is, people faced death in order to do what most Americans don't under no threat at all. If your mind is so sick and twisted that you can't even recognize that, then you are a bigger waste of human flesh than even I imagined.

The least of the Afghans that showed up to vote is a better person than the foul filth that you have made yourself into. What kind of cowardly rat would whine about others gaining the freedom to vote, simply because it didn't go perfectly? You say that the elections in Afghanistan were a failure. Ironic, with the failure you've made of your life, one would think you would have a better understanding of what failure is. Maybe you better look in the mirror a little more often... though I wouldn't either if I were you.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
You are the IDIOT. Not knowing who or what you are voting for is basic to a democracy. They could be voting for a group of Hilters or Saddams. How dare you call me a cowardly rat. You are an ass that defends a president who's policy has killed almost 2,000 Americans FOR NOT GOOD REASON. Look at what is going on in Iraq. Today the NY Times has an article that shows how the reconstruction in Iraq we are paying for is not working. The article is by Craig Smith. Read it you idiot!
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
So, I guess an uninformed piece of crap like you is too stupid to realize that many Americans have no idea what or who they are voting for, so I guess we should just give up our own election system.

It doesn't surprize me that some drunk idiot from what has become a worthless rag has to say about Iraq... and what does that have to do with elections in Afghanistan anyway? Is your argument so weak that you have to come up with non sequitors in a pathetic attempt to back it up?

You anti Democracy, Anti Freedom Fascist pinworm! Does your SS helmet make you feel like a real man?
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
The Bush victory in 2004 proved too many Americans did not know what they were voting for which is clear given from his lack of support.

We did however have the ability to see and hear what Bush had to say. That is not true in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You are such a pile of crap! Every statement you make shows your total lack of understanding!
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Link please.

Because the only source of info, like what you are saying on the Afghanistan election, is from people like DU, Moveon and Michael Moores sites.

My last unit (an AVN unit) that I served in, is presently posted in Afghanistan. They regularly travel through out the country and report things are quite, prosperous and highly stable in the vast majority of the country. There are small regions that have activity, but those areas were heavily targeted this campaign season. To show how effective this years campaign went, just use the lack of terrorist activity during these elections, when the terrorist was trying to make this election into a bloodbath.

So please post a link, or this article is nothing more then an uninformed opinion piece.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
You are so tiresome, Gene. You are cluelessly blinded by hate and your mind is shut tighter than the Queen Mum's vagina. I read your posts for the same physiological reason I glance at the car wreck on the way by - morbid curiosity. And just as with the horrific car crash, I always regret it. The "fatal flaw" you're hyperventilating about is what Democrats depend on in every American election.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
You are so tiresome, Gene. You are cluelessly blinded by hate and your mind is shut tighter than the Queen Mum's vagina. I read your posts for the same physiological reason I glance at the car wreck on the way by - morbid curiosity. And just as with the horrific car crash, I always regret it. The "fatal flaw" you're hyperventilating about is what Democrats depend on in every American election.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
The source is CNN today.

Yes, I fund it tiresone as well but each day something else that Bush is doing is an issue. If you looked at the Sunday AM political shows, you would see just how far off the mark the they believe Bush is and they sight source after source to bolster their conclusions! The Bush failures have nothing to do with the Democrats. What I want are for moderate Republicans or moderate Democrats to win in 2006 and reverse the policies we have been following. Very few of the policies we have been following are solving our problems.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Maybe you should take your pension and donate it to the people of Afganistan so they can all buy radios and television sets so the can be more plugged in to the prospective candidates.

In other words colonel do something constructive and stop bitching about things.

That is an order, not a request.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am the president of a not for profit corporation that helps low income home owners repair their homes and we provide 72 families with low income rental homes. I am chairman of the a Lutheran K-8 school that is providing an outstanding education for 275 students. We support a child through the Christian Childrens fund and support 10 other charities. I have made a contribution to Katrina via the Red Cross. I am doing my bit. If I had the money the Bush Base has, I would be willing to return to the old tax rates. The tax cuts were not justiufied in the first place since the Surplus Bush said was the reason for the tax cuts NEVER EXISTED!
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Once again, we see the left's commitment to rejecting anything that isn't perfect right now today. Progress towards a desireable goal means nothing. Only failure to achieve that goal immediately is important. What's next, Gene? The fatal flaw in alternative fuel research is that it hasn't produced a perfect solution yet? Should we abandon all our efforts along those lines because you don't have a hyper-efficient hydrogen car in your garage for free yet?
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ooh! I've got another, one, Colonel: Since Britain was totally failing to defeat Nazi Germany in 1940, that exposed a fatal flaw in Churchill's "resist Hitler" plan, didn't it?

We should have gone with Chamberlain's appeasement approach all along!

I try to avoid direct personal insults, Gene, but this is seriously the most idiotic line of reasoning I've seen this side of Cindy Sheehan.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Gene is still mad and disappointed that he was never able to get elected. He wanted the ill-informed voters in his district to vote for him like the people in Afghanistan are doing, and unfortunately it seems that someone informed those voters and killed his chances at ever holding office.

Now he just holds his own orifice with a thumb up his butt waiting for something else to post a reply to only to see it nailed with a bonus rating of TROLLING as all of his comments inherently deserve. Remember, vote early and vote often. Nail those COL Gene Trolling responses with the trolling rating they deserve. We'll all thank you for it.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
How are there so many fools on JoeUser. Not knowing any of the candidates is not a small flaw. It is a SHAM ELECTION! The problem with the Bush policy is that a non Moslem country can not march into a Moslem country and expect to be accepted. We have created more NEW enemies then friends by the Iraq War! That does not make us safer!
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
We have created more NEW enemies then friends by the Iraq War! That does not make us safer!


So why are 9 million Iraqis voting? The reason the Islamists hate democracy is because their whole existence relies on oppressing people, a practice democracy rejects.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
How are there so many fools on JoeUser.


And you wonder why so many people on JU don't take you seriously.

Your condescending attitude towards those who hold a different point of view kinda alienates you from those who might otherwise find something of worth in your writing.

Just a hint.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Colon Gene. If the election where you ran for school board wasn't during a national election, odds are only about 20% of those eligible to vote actually bothered, which in reality is a sham election. I bet you wouldn't have considered your position based on a sham had you won... right?

They're new at this election thing, give them a break and quit being such a backward, elitist snob.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
The source is CNN today.


Please provide a better link source then that, because I just got done searching CNN.com and there is not one article about the Afghanistan election. Since the CNN Today show does not run during the weekendLink and I have watched both World report and World news earlier (the two talking shows on the weekend). The only thing on those two shows this weekend about elections is about the German elections.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
How are there so many fools on JoeUser. Not knowing any of the candidates is not a small flaw. It is a SHAM ELECTION! The problem with the Bush policy is that a non Moslem country can not march into a Moslem country and expect to be accepted. We have created more NEW enemies then friends by the Iraq War! That does not make us safer!


Well, there's at "least" one on the far end of this post. In direct opposition to me. And I'm sorry to tell you there is not proof what-so-ever to backup your last 2 sentences.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Here's the right response (other than hitting that Trolling bonus rating on anything that Gene posts -- which is something everyone with a pulse and a brain should be doing anyway): Afghanistan Election Shows Flaw In Liberal Philosopy

The sad thing is that I really wish someone would elect Gene for something. Something that would send him as far away from a computer as possible. Since Gene is so sure he knows how to do things, how about we get him elected president of Iraq. Gene for President of Iraq has a great ring to it. Just put the right uniform together for him and things will be fine.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just a hint.


Wouldn't get it if it were delivered with a sledgehammer, Gid, but thanks for trying.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
I do not know what the school board election has to do with this. I won about 45% 0f the vote and ran aginst a local resident that was a school teacher and had many contacts that I did not have.

How many of the 9 million that voteed in Iraq are friends is not known. However, our security problem come from those that hate us. Those are the people we have added to in Iraq as well as in many other countries from the Iraq War!

I could not locate the story I saw on Cnn but here is another story.



By Paul Wiseman, USA TODAY Fri Sep 16, 7:43 AM ET

The presence of warlords and ex-Taliban officials on the ballot when Afghans vote Sunday is raising fears that figures from the past will sabotage efforts to build a stable democracy.
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"The Afghan people need a government that is functional and accountable," says Sam Zarifi, deputy director of the Asia division of Human Rights Watch, an activist group. "The warlords offer neither."

Millions of Afghans will choose candidates to fill 249 seats in the lower house of the National Assembly and local council seats in 34 provinces. It's a historic step toward establishing democracy in a country riven by decades of conflict. About 30,000 coalition troops are providing security for the election. This week, female candidate Hawa Nuristani was shot and injured and seven registered voters were killed, the Associated Press reported.

The Electoral Complaints Commission disqualified 21 candidates, citing ties to illegal militias. Afghan President Hamid Karzai cautioned: "Don't vote for bad people."

In a report released Thursday, Human Rights Watch said warlords are intimidating candidates and voters. It said Allam Khan Azadi, a candidate and commander near the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif, for instance, threatened to cut the water supply to those who did not vote for him. "Complaints were heard in almost all regions of the country," the group said.

Abdul Rabb al-Rasul Sayyaf, a warlord, is seeking a National Assembly seat in the capital. After the Soviet Union was driven from
Afghanistan in 1989, Sayyaf's Ittihad militia battled rival factions in Kabul. Human Rights Watch says Sayyaf and his rivals are guilty of war crimes.

A former religious teacher at the University of Kabul, Sayyaf said this week that he took up arms to battle the Soviets. "The needs of the country transferred me from the classroom to the bunker," he said. "If the mujahedin are not worthy to enter politics, who will be?"

Mawlavi Qalumuddin was deputy administrator in the Taliban's Ministry of Vice and Virtue, which enforced rules that banned girls from attending school, women from working outside the home, men from shaving and anyone from flying a kite. He's running for the National Assembly from Logar province.

"I'm sure the people know me and my background," he says. Qalumuddin says it would be dangerous to ban warlords from the democratic process; isolated, they might turn to violence
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Look at what is taking place in Iraq. Last week was a disaster. The only reason it was not all over the news was because of Katrina.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Col, you do know "Human Right Watch" is a very biased organization right?
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Millions of Afghans will choose candidates to fill 249 seats in the lower house of the National Assembly and local council seats in 34 provinces. It's a historic step toward establishing democracy in a country riven by decades of conflict. About 30,000 coalition troops are providing security for the election. This week, female candidate Hawa Nuristani was shot and injured and seven registered voters were killed, the Associated Press reported.


Out of over 7,000 candidates, one person killed. It was only one out of 361 woman candidates in a country that four years ago these same woman would have been stoned to death for showing their full face. There was 360 woman who was not killed and willing to run. I think if you had that many woman running in the 1890 elections here in the US, you would have just as many killed.

Human Rights Watch says Sayyaf and his rivals are guilty of war crimes.


Has there been a trial? You and some members of the Human Rights Watch think Bush is guilty of war crimes too. Should that prevent him from running for future office? If the world warcrime tribunal (yes, there is such a thing) declares Sayyaf is guilt, then no problem, but until then I like what he said best:
"If the mujahedin are not worthy to enter politics, who will be?"


Remember, not all the mujahedin were bad guys.