Let's be honest, what is the one symbol in common with KKK activity and most other people promoting hate and intolerence?

White Sheets and Burning Crosses.

I see it this way. We dont see much of the Nazi flag or the rising sun of Japan anymore. Why? because we defeated them in a little thing called WW2.

The confederate flag should be viewed the same way. They rebelled, they lost.

I think nowadays it's more of a cultural declaration. A way of saying "i'm a white southerner". The problem lies in the fact that the symbol reflects images of the old south back on those who were vicimized by the post reconstruction climate that existed until the civil rights movement of the 1960's. The racist tag wil always be associated with the flag. If someone chooses to fly it, they should accept the fact that it will always be associated with that.

The confederate flag should be viewed the same way. They rebelled, they lost.

And you are right - in any official government capacity. But this is not about SC (Thanks to Fritz Hollings) flying it over the Capital.  This is about owning one for whatever reason, and being judged a racist for doing so.

The only thing that does is show the accuser to be the bigot, not the owner.

Under no circumstances should it be flown over any government building. But if someone wants to fly it over their home or business. That's their right.

Freedom of speech and expression clearly gives them the right to do that.

Under no circumstances should it be flown over any government building. But if someone wants to fly it over their home or business. That's their right. Freedom of speech and expression clearly gives them the right to do that.

Not according to dabe. I'm branded a racist and a bigot when she doesn't know the first thing abou me. Uncle Sam spent a lot of money to make "sure" I was neither.

Not according to dabe. I'm branded a racist and a bigot

Remember the 3 fingers.  What she says reveals more about herself than any part of you.

Remember the 3 fingers

???????wtf?

Remember the 3 fingers ???????wtf?

When you point a finger at someone, three of them are pointing back at you.

We have a flag in America, and wow, is it beautiful!!

Indeed it is. Especially on a windy day.

It's interesting that Dabe would be the one to do an article about how the Confererate Battle Flag is a symbol of hate, when there are many at JU who seem to see the letters D-A-B and E as a symbol of hatred.

It's interesting that Dabe would be the one to do an article about how the Confererate Battle Flag is a symbol of hate, when there are many at JU who seem to see the letters D-A-B and E as a symbol of hatred.

Actually, I once made note of the the fact that you can't spell "diatribe" without D-A-B-E....in that order.

Actually, I once made note of the the fact that you can't spell "diatribe" without D-A-B-E....in that order.

Interesting... ;~D

The only thing that does is show the accuser to be the bigot, not the owner.

Bullshit

Freedom of speech and expression clearly gives them the right to do that.

No question. But, as you said, if someone chooses to display the symbol, they better get used to being associated with racism and hate. But, all drmiler has to do is open his mouth, or in this case, type a few words, and his racism and jingo bullshit rings loud and clear, symbol or not.

Not according to dabe. I'm branded a racist and a bigot when she doesn't know the first thing abou me. Uncle Sam spent a lot of money to make "sure" I was neither.

Fucking waste of money.........

But, all drmiler has to do is open his mouth, or in this case, type a few words

Instead of running your ignorant mouth......"show me"!

Fucking waste of money.........

And your a perfect example of a waste of a good human being.

And while I'm thinking about it....why don't you try wrapping your mind around this, that is if you have a working example that is:

have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. drmiler, Try the above quote, from Lincoln's first inaugural address

And your a perfect example of a good human being

Why, thank you dear sir.

I think nowadays it's more of a cultural declaration. A way of saying "i'm a white southerner".

Is that what Leon Washington is saying with his displayed on the front of his pickup? (He's the black fellow down the street from me.)

And your a perfect example of a good human being Why, thank you dear sir.

I forgot to add 3 words....they go between a and good . The words are "waste of a". And you "still" have not responded to the first part of my reply.

But, all drmiler has to do is open his mouth, or in this case, type a few words Instead of running your ignorant mouth......"show me"!

If your going to call me a "racist" you damn well better be able to back it up!

drmiler, did you ever check out the links I posted? Huh? I'll post them again here Link They are actually kind of amusing in an educational kind of way.

Or, are you just going to maintain your ignorance and flatly refuse that the confederate flag has any racist connections? I may concede that you're not a racist, cuz you're right, I don't know you. BUT, having read your drivel here, I'm thoroughly convinced you're as dumb as an ignorant stump.

Or, are you just going to maintain your ignorance and flatly refuse that the confederate flag has any racist connections?

The "only" racist connections that flag has, were given to it by ignorant people like you!

I'm thoroughly convinced you're as dumb as an ignorant stump.

I said this before.... would you like me to start reposting all the crap you've spewed on JU?

as dumb as an ignorant stump.

As opposed to an informed stump???

And you call someone else dumb?

I'm thoroughly convinced you're as dumb as an ignorant stump

--Stumps can be ignorant....how-- oh, well yeah maybe, i can think of my sisters ex-husband, he is somewhat like a stump....i guess." J/K

"Political debating, at its most primative form, is purely incoherent, illogical, and baseless grunting."--Unknown

Bullshit

Great retort!  Wow!  I have not seen such eloquence since the "Oh Yea, so's you" of my childhood!

What a mastery of the English language!  You have just learned a new word.  now try this one. Big-ot.  As in Dabe is a Big-ot.

Political debating, at its most primative form, is purely incoherent, illogical, and baseless grunting."--Unknown

Especially when arguing with stump liberals.

"No symbol in recent history has become as hated as the swastika and the ideology associated with it."

I'm quite fond of the Nazis actually.

holy shit! i dont think i have seen a more amazing show of intelligence and stupidity on one place before.....except mayb the other site that had a debate like this. anyway, dabe let me be blunt you are ignorant, not neccisarily because u are stupid, but more than likely u were brought up that way and thats fine u have the right to be wrong. i accept that. as people have stated on here in the south especially there are many people who are of african descent that fly the stars and bars not only willingly but with pride!!! and yet u most likely a northerner have been brought up that that particular symbol of americana is not only evil but will offend black people because it enslaves them all oer again this is a typical northern philosphy. so its ok for u to believe that considering it is whut u have been spoon feed ur entire life. thats fine, but dont even try to catagorize the people who fly it and dont try condemn them for it!!!!! I was born in the north, but my family roots run deep in the south around north and south carolina........and i love my heritage. i hope to return there and live there for the rest of my life someday. i recently bought a rebel flag not because i am a racist but because i love my heritage. and actually most rednecks north or south will put them on their truck, so not only is it a sign of southern pride it is a sign of being a redneck, which while most people associate with being racist that is not true and far from it. i have several black friends and most of them just laugh at me cause i am a redneck and they think it is funny. they dont veiw me as a bigot, racist or other type of hatred for them. hell i was willing to go to court to make sure one of them didnt get in trouble for something they were wrongly accused of. so to say that any one who flys said flag is a bigot or racist or whut ever label u choose to use, is obviously wrong cause i dont fit that mold, and even you admitted to displaying an avatar that is outright hateful to some so to say that it is wrong for me to display my confederate flag but it is ok for you to display ur avatar or whut ever is not only hypocrisy that is just down right insane on ur part. in closing i would also like to end with two quotes from a new rapper by the name of chance who is a whte rapper from nashville and part of music mafia.." it dont mean im a racist cause i rock a rebel flag" and "you dont want a civil war cause the souths too tough if u want come and get , bet u wont come and get it."


CAN I GET A REBEL YELL?!?!! HELL YEAH!!!!