'll maybe concede that all people who display this flag are not racists

---You guys heard it here...! J/K dabe...

Dabe... I know you are a good person with a good heart. Believe it or not we are both on the same side...but in our fight against wars, racism and every other inhumanity against man, we must try to get as many allies to our side as is humanly possible. Constantly attacking anyone who disagrees with us leads only to alienation. You have too many good things to say Dabe...don't lose that audience. If you do, we all suffer.

--To fight unjustices you must be free of them yourself. (essentially means what manopeace said...)

--Dabe, I too (though i might not act like it, {just the rep. coming outta me, } want to rid the world of injustices,etc... but you've got to take it slowly, the world isn't exactly rational...or logical at times....

Well, actually, the Nazis did invent the swastika, or at least the 45 degrees rotated version of it. So this symbol is rightfully considered evil, because it is evil.

Reply #13 By: Citizen Manopeace - 5/16/2005 12:47:30 AM

--Well, i don't consider IT Evil, only those who used it,NAZI's . Its a symbol, it ,didn't kill countless jews,etc...

'll maybe concede that all people who display this flag are not racists

---You guys heard it here...! J/K dabe...

Dabe... I know you are a good person with a good heart. Believe it or not we are both on the same side...but in our fight against wars, racism and every other inhumanity against man, we must try to get as many allies to our side as is humanly possible. Constantly attacking anyone who disagrees with us leads only to alienation. You have too many good things to say Dabe...don't lose that audience. If you do, we all suffer.

--To fight unjustices you must be free of them yourself. (essentially means what manopeace said...)

--Dabe, I too (though i might not act like it, {just the rep. coming outta me, } want to rid the world of injustices,etc... but you've got to take it slowly, the world isn't exactly rational...or logical at times....

Well, actually, the Nazis did invent the swastika, or at least the 45 degrees rotated version of it. So this symbol is rightfully considered evil, because it is evil.

Reply #13 By: Citizen Manopeace - 5/16/2005 12:47:30 AM

--Well, i don't consider IT Evil, only those who used it,NAZI's . Its a symbol, it ,didn't kill countless jews,etc...

My guess is that even black people, and probably several million of them, own a confederate flag and display it at their home

Actually this is quite true. I personally know several who either have one at home or on their car. They, like most of the rest of us, see it as being about the South, not about hatred. But then, people see what they WANT to see.

I know it's difficult for northerners to understand, but a lot of southerners of all races have a lot of pride in southern heritage.

I have a friend who moved from "down here" up to New York. After a couple of years she returned and said that she was very happy to be back down south as the people "up there" had been far more openly bigoted and treated her far worse than anyone in the south ever had.

In spite of what many PC fascists would like to believe, the south isn't about racism and hasn't been for a long time.

apologize for the double post, their was a internal error with the computer...

In spite of what many PC fascists would like to believe, the south isn't about racism and hasn't been for a long time.

You do not have to go far to remember that in 1974, it was South Boston MASS that rioted and burned neighborhoods because of Bussing.

My, my, my, how the north do hold so many bigots!

Hollywood was clearly lilly white until very recently.

You're right...Redd Foxx and Bill Cosby fooled the networks into thinking they were white...what a conspiracy.

Yes, the majority of characters were white, dabe, but to proclaim Hollywood as "lilly white" is to be ignorant of the facts. Frankly, I'd like to know how Poitier duped the Academy into thinking he was white to give him the Oscar.

As for the Dukes of Hazard, this is a dumb argument.

Yeah...just about as dumb as arguing that anyone that has a confederate flag is racist....

Hum, simple minded, racist bigots, adopt an icon, and suddenly anyone who still imbraces said icon is a simple minded, racist bigot ?

I guess displaying a clinched fist, the letter"X", a rainbow, various college logo's, crosses, various colored bandana's, sports team logo's, or any other copyrighted icon for that matter is to be construed as racist....because everything I listed has been utilized by a recognized group of racist/bigots etc...

To argue the finer points of Southern Heritage with you would, well, be pointless, as you have already pre-judged the 19th century lifestyle by your 21st century ethics. Why not extend that judgement to the 7th century Middle East, or even Ancient Greece, or Egyptian ethos....

Compare the living conditions of the Irish and Italian immigrants of the 19th century northern states before attacking the "institution" of slavery in the south.

The "War of Northern Agression" was not predicated on the abolution of slavery, that is nothing more than the victors writting of history. Our civil war was one of political control of manufacturing, raw materials, and international relations ( Hey, Europe was on the side of the CSA ). The true impetus of secession were tarriffs, taxation, anexation, territorial expansion, and congressional representation, as well as States rights vs Federal mandates.

Enough of the History lesson, I could go on, particularly when I've read your statements in previous threads of how the White man snatched Africans from their homeland ( when it has been well documented that they were sold by their tribal elders to Arabic slave traders, who then, in turned consigned them to European cargo shippers, who then offered them for sale to whoever bought them ( Lots of non-european Plantation owners in South and Central America in the 18th and 19th centuries )
I guess your arguement would go something like " if there was no market for slaves, then the Arabs wouldn't have taken them in the first place". Well, indentured servitude has existed since time began, and still exist in some form, even today ( gotta have a job to eat now dontcha? )

Try reading the chapters of Exodus, right after the 10 commandments. This was the guiding force behind morals and ethics IN THE 19TH CENTURY !!!!! Do I want to go back there? No, but do I want my ancestors judged for their actions based on "Modern" ethics? Hell NO !

OK, rant over...so it goes....

The "War of Northern Agression" was not predicated on the abolution of slavery, that is nothing more than the victors writting of history. Our civil war was one of political control of manufacturing, raw materials, and international relations ( Hey, Europe was on the side of the CSA ). The true impetus of secession were tarriffs, taxation, anexation, territorial expansion, and congressional representation, as well as States rights vs Federal mandates. Enough of the History lesson,

You forgot the biggest kick in the pants.  Slavery was abolished in the south before it was in the north!

That's right you myopic bigots!  Slavery existed in the north after the civil war because the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to states in Rebellion! So when the South Freed their slaves, the north still owned them.

Guess we should ban the stars and stripes as racist as it was under that flag they were bought,sold and imported.

I am sure Dabey would love to ban that flag!

A symbol of one thing to one person can be entirely different to another. When you look at a hooked cross, you can either see a swastika or an ancient symbol used for many things by many peoples and religions all over the world. I don't have to think too hard to know what you see.

Long wave the stars and bars!
If for nothing else, then just to piss dabe off!


"Ooooooh....ah wish ah wuz in the land o'cotton, ole times there are not fogotten, look away...look away..look away....."

Hey Dynosoar.... where did you get you info? I've been arguing this with my wife for a while. She says that the civil war was all about slavery and I've been saying she's full of it. Would like the info to back up my position.

Hey Dynosoar.... where did you get you info? I've been arguing this with my wife for a while. She says that the civil war was all about slavery and I've been saying she's full of it. Would like the info to back up my position.

Read NJforever's article on Lincoln to start.  But it is also easily googled on the web now as well.

I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

drmiler,

Try the above quote, from Lincoln's first inaugural address

Yeah...just about as dumb as arguing that anyone that has a confederate flag is racist....

Give Mythical a Cigar for being able to cath irony when is it presented! ;~D

I'd reccomend google because I'm relying on past educational experiences;

HIS 340 - US Civil War University of South Carolina

Bentonville Battle Ground - Goldsboro, NC

Sons of Confederate Veterans - Civil War Roundtable - Rocky Mount, NC

South Carolina born and bred, with ancestorial roots since
1600's ( Camden, SC specifically - founded 1673, base of Cornwallis during revolution, blah, blah )Decendents represented since Class #1 at The Citidel ( Males either choose the military,ministry,or medical fields) ....

I've been immersed in the "correct and proper" history since I can remember

The simple Fact Doc, is to the victor goes the history books. And while Lincoln did sign the emancipation Proclimation, it was for States in rebellion alone. The War was not started over slavery, but it became an issue as the abolitionist of the North had free reign once the South Seceded.

I am glad that as a result of that bloody war, Slavery was Abolished. But as an institution, it was already headed for the ash heap of history as it was no longer economical.

The facts show that the north got rid of slavery not for any altruistic reason, but for simple economics. The south would have followed within 20 years were it not for the war as well.

And today, the worst race riots and riots against intergration are not found in the south. Since Fulbright, Wallace, et. al (all democrats too BTW), the south has had to integrate, while the north has never faced it until now, and they are the most segregated area left in these states. For the old shakespearean cliche of 'methinks he doth protest too much' is apt for the north. And for the ones that would kill the patient to save it (like Dabe).

In case anyone asks, tell them the first black Governor in the Nation (and only one so far) was in Virginia, the old capital of the confederacy. Dabe probably has never voted for a black person in her life. She does not need to. She is in her protected all white enclave.

I'm in Chattanooga, Tn. YEEEEEEHHHHAAAAAA!!!

The bible has also been used as a symbol of hate and violence against certain groups of people.

Damn, Eugene Oregon....(Living in) (GO DUCKS!)
Fron: Klamath Falls Oregon....(GO PELICANS!) (the last year i was their, our football team went 6-3 as independants(being formerly in 4A-Southern Oregon Conference,and the lowest in enrollment in the conf. at 945 students {Closest to us were at 1200})
Although i did find out that Oregon, along with Washington,Idaho ( what would become) tried to secede from the union and join the south, thats why they built about 5 forts to squash the southern sentiment, also, apparently their was an attempt to form a 2nd confederacy in California,Nevada,Arizonia,New Mexico,and part of what is now mexico....

Of course their is the State of Jefferson movement (not so prominent know, was early in the century, around 1920's or so)

I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. drmiler, Try the above quote, from Lincoln's first inaugural address

Thanks Gid.

You wear your X I'll wear mine...

'X' ..............?

Is that like wearing a target on your head, so those ''black helicopters'' can find you.......


BLACK HELICOPTERS! AH! RUN!

Is that like wearing a target on your head, so those ''black helicopters'' can find you.......

yeah, that's it...

In a 2001 interview with Larry King, Rev, Billy Graham stated that in his opinion "racism" is the biggest scurge of our country. No one could mistake Rev. Graham for a liberal.

The Confederate Flag is often used as a tool to divide us. One persons insult may be the next persons sincere expression. I can certainly understand a Black person's sensitivity to the Confederate Flag if they perceive it as a form of taunt and hatred. Let's be honest, what is the one symbol in common with KKK activity and most other people promoting hate and intolerence?

We have a flag in America, and wow, is it beautiful!!

Hehe...reminds me of a South Park episode.

uh-oh, just waiting for dabe..... *hunkers-down and ties himself to a tree* J/K Dabe...