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Ted Kennedy calls out Bush on Iraq

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Ted Kennedy calls out Bush on Iraq

http://kennedy.senate.gov/%7ekennedy/statements/05/1/2005127703.html
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Senator Ted Kennedy shows himself to be the elder statesman and advocates wisdom and diplomacy in Iraq in his speech to the John Hopkins School of International Studies. At the end of the speech he calls out Bush to "swallow his pride and end our country’s continuing failures in Iraq and in the eyes of the world."

Finally, a Democrat with a backbone. Perhaps there is a pulse in the party after all.


-Drew
democrat
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #48 By: Colgene (Anonymous) - 1/30/2005 1:38:37 PM
The fact that many Iraqis voted has nothing to do with the fact that Iraq did not threaten us. We are not the world's liberator. We have not made America safer by the Iraq War! Saddam was a bad person but it was not our job to remove him with US Forces! That policy will not work because we create millions of new enemies and are looked at as the bad guy. In addition, we can not afford tax cuts and wars. In every other major war, we asked the people to pay higher, not lower taxes to pay for the added cost. Where is the $80 billion to come from that Bush is about to ask for? Why was that not part of the normal budget request? Did we not know of the war when the 2004-05 budget was prepared?

Bush never maskes an error or tells a lie. So I guess the Iraq War with its human and financial cost is a liberal story!


Yes i AGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY... YOUR RIGHT!!! you win>>>your perfect with your impartial anal isis opps did i mispell that?

Now get outta my blog ya moron... go stink up the cyber air somewhere else.
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
Apoligizes to all got confused in the heat of moment, thought it was my site....sorry
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top

The fact that many Iraqis voted has nothing to do with the fact that Iraq did not threaten us. We are not the world's liberator. We have not made America safer by the Iraq War! Saddam was a bad person but it was not our job to remove him with US Forces! That policy will not work because we create millions of new enemies and are looked at as the bad guy. In addition, we can not afford tax cuts and wars. In every other major war, we asked the people to pay higher, not lower taxes to pay for the added cost. Where is the $80 billion to come from that Bush is about to ask for? Why was that not part of the normal budget request? Did we not know of the war when the 2004-05 budget was prepared?

Bush never maskes an error or tells a lie. So I guess the Iraq War with its human and financial cost is a liberal story!

Me thinks this clown doth protest too much.  He would abort the baby because the permit was not filed prior to conception.

You really are a sad sorry excuse for humanity.

Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top

Apoligizes to all got confused in the heat of moment, thought it was my site....sorry

With that headline?  Even in your liberal days, I dare say you did not support or endorse Kennedy.  He was an embarrasment then and now!  Must have been that fishing day you took!

Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #50 By: Draginol - 1/30/2005 1:51:11 PM
By your definition, nearly all military actions were wrong.
Explain why we invaded Europe in 1944? Because based on what you were saying, it was wrong too. Germany wasn't threatening us and by 1994 it was pretty obvious that Germany was no longer any sort of threat to the United States. And a lot more than 1,400 Americans died in that.
Could it be, just maybe, your hatred of Bush is clouding your views? Either that or your knowledge on history is imperfect.


Let me add to that South Korea. I spent a month in South Korea last year and found a very vibrant happy country. While those that did not want that Democratic country to survive, just across the boarder to the North, are starving.
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top

Let me add to that South Korea. I spent a month in South Korea last year and found a very vibrant happy country. While those that did not want that Democratic country to survive, just across the boarder to the North, are starving.


Like a punch drunk fighter, the Libs love taking it on the chin.  And being wrong each and every time. This is not a new phenomenom, as I am closing on 50 and have yet to see them right.

Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top

Indeed. 55,000 Americans died in Korea.  What was the justification for us to go in there? North Korea was no threat to the US. Oh wait..that's right, Truman decided and he's a Democrat..

Or what about Vietnam? Kennedy/Johnson.  Bosnia and Kosovo? Clinton.  Do you see a pattern here? When it comes to sending our troops into lands that have don't seem to be very central to our self interest, it's usually Democrats. And amazingly, Senator Kennedy is mum on those things (even when it's his own family doing it).

But the US liberates Iraq after 10 years of sanctions, after its attempt to assasinate a former US President, after it's flaunting of the cease fire terms, after its very well publicized WMD programs (not stockpiles for you lefties who have problems discerning the two), after its funding of terrorism, after its regular shooting at US planes patrolling the no-fly zone, after it's massacres, after..after..after.  No, THAT needs to be protested against with zealous effort by the left.

Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
Do you see a pattern here? When it comes to sending our troops into lands that have don't seem to be very central to our self interest, it's usually Democrats. And amazingly, Senator Kennedy is mum on those things (even when it's his own family doing it).


I kind of wish it was Prs. Clinton who spearheaded action leading to free elections in Iraq, then my democrat friends would be able to celebrate today with the rest of the freedom loving world. Instead they seem to be busy making excuses for why they don't recognize freedom when it's blowing up their skirt (or pants, but that wouldn't go with the idiom). ;~D
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #48 By: Colgene (Anonymous) - 1/30/2005 1:38:37 PM
The fact that many Iraqis voted has nothing to do with the fact that Iraq did not threaten us


If they never* threatened us just what would you call shooting at our Airforce and Naval aircraft on a daily basis then?
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #48 By: Colgene (Anonymous) - 1/30/2005 1:38:37 PM
The fact that many Iraqis voted has nothing to do with the fact that Iraq did not threaten us


Yawn!!

Sorry, I can't hear you over the noise of Iraqis celebrating their freedom. How about joing in on the celebration instead of boring us all with your hate filled bull crap!!!!
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #56 By: Dr. Guy - 1/30/2005 2:13:00 PM
Let me add to that South Korea. I spent a month in South Korea last year and found a very vibrant happy country. While those that did not want that Democratic country to survive, just across the boarder to the North, are starving.



Like a punch drunk fighter, the Libs love taking it on the chin. And being wrong each and every time. This is not a new phenomenom, as I am closing on 50 and have yet to see them right.



Maybe instead of hitting them on the chin, we should kick em in the b***s?
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Explain why we invaded Europe in 1944? Because based on what you were saying, it was wrong too. Germany wasn't threatening us and by 1994 it was pretty obvious that Germany was no longer any sort of threat to the United States. And a lot more than 1,400 Americans died in that."

Given that people were still against the war knowing full well that Hitler was raping Europe, I don't think there's any surprise that asshats like Teddy could feel this way now. Any number of people made political stands during WW2 that we shouldn't be there, that our boys were dieing in a foriegn land for nothing.

If all goes well, history will look back on Mr. Kennedy the same way it looks back on them. I don't think failing an endeavor means you shouldn't have tried, though, so however this ends up Kennedy has betrayed his nation, imho. Like I said before, there's a reason our military has corps that produce the same propaganda targetting the enemy that Teddy is feeding us.

Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
This has nothing to do with Teddy, but since there's a bunch on the left who like to smear Bush with allegations of Nazi connections in his family's past, I thought I'd point out that Papa Joe was a Hitler sympathizer who lost his ambassadorship to Britain for those sympathies. FWIW (nothing).

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top
In poll after poll, Americans do not agree with Bush on is second term agenda or the war. Seems like both the Democrats and Republicans have lost touch with Americans!


I liked how those who oppose the war were claiming the same thing on all the talk shows Sunday, citing polls taken before the election. It will be interesting to see what those polls look like in a week, but it points out the lack of principles of many on the left - they want to follow the wind wherever it leads them rather than arrive at a set of principles & live by them. They are such poll-driven sycophants, and they seem to have no clue how obvious it is. Of course, you will note that they are not particularly critical of how a poll is done, as long as it supports their bias.

I just re-read that & it sounds a little harsh. Just for clarification, this does not apply to everyone on the left - just some of the talking heads who end up on TV.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top
Where it comes to who agrees and doesn't agree with this war, I'll take the results of the poll taken in Iraq, the one where people faced death to be a part of, than any poll taken from the safety of an American home.

The left can point fingers all they want, but it's the fingers with ink on them that matters now, the war gave them the opportunity, but they are the ones who made it matter.
Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #54 By: Dr. Guy - 1/30/2005 1:56:35 PM


With that headline? Even in your liberal days, I dare say you did not support or endorse Kennedy. He was an embarrasment then and now! Must have been that fishing day you took!


yes I been pissed at hanoijohn kerry since 1971 when he became the obvious choice of the Democratic party for President, that was the final straw for me..I switched instead of fought.. Altho I must confess in my heart of hearts I still want a STRONG democratic party, with strong leaders. sane too.
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #63 By: Daiwa - 1/30/2005 4:32:31 PM
This has nothing to do with Teddy, but since there's a bunch on the left who like to smear Bush with allegations of Nazi connections in his family's past, I thought I'd point out that Papa Joe was a Hitler sympathizer who lost his ambassadorship to Britain for those sympathies. FWIW (nothing).


and a gangster that made his money bootlegging....
Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #67 By: Moderateman - 1/31/2005 7:34:41 PM
Reply #63 By: Daiwa - 1/30/2005 4:32:31 PM
This has nothing to do with Teddy, but since there's a bunch on the left who like to smear Bush with allegations of Nazi connections in his family's past, I thought I'd point out that Papa Joe was a Hitler sympathizer who lost his ambassadorship to Britain for those sympathies. FWIW (nothing).


and a gangster that made his money bootlegging....


I'd be worried more about the Hitler sypathizer then I would the bootlegging. Hell half the family on my mothers side were runners.
Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'd be worried more about the Hitler sypathizer then I would the bootlegging. Hell half the family on my mothers side were runners.

Out here, Franklin county is still the moonshine capital of the USA!  So I probably know some ridge runners as that is where my sister lives and is married to a native!

Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #69 By: Dr. Guy - 2/4/2005 10:38:10 AM
I'd be worried more about the Hitler sypathizer then I would the bootlegging. Hell half the family on my mothers side were runners.

Out here, Franklin county is still the moonshine capital of the USA! So I probably know some ridge runners as that is where my sister lives and is married to a native!


I'll have to remember that next time I want some.
Reply #71 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'll have to remember that next time I want some.


The good stuff has no taste, but one hell of a kick!  Ever heard of Purple Passion?

Reply #72 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #71 By: Dr. Guy - 2/4/2005 1:47:28 PM
I'll have to remember that next time I want some.



The good stuff has no taste, but one hell of a kick! Ever heard of Purple Passion?


Nope. What is it? When I was first introduced to this stuff I was given a glass of kool aid with shine in it. Beings that it was a *very* hot day, I drank it like I would *any* kool-aid. Everything was fine *until* I went to stand up and go home. WRONG move!!! I went down like I'd been kicked by a Missouri mule! Oddly enough though I suffered no hang over the next day. BTW this happened in Tenn.
Reply #73 from JoeUser Forums Top

Nope. What is it? When I was first introduced to this stuff I was given a glass of kool aid with shine in it. Beings that it was a *very* hot day, I drank it like I would *any* kool-aid. Everything was fine *until* I went to stand up and go home. WRONG move!!! I went down like I'd been kicked by a Missouri mule! Oddly enough though I suffered no hang over the next day. BTW this happened in Tenn.


Motto of Franklin Co: We Deliver!


Actually you kind of had it.  Purple passion is purple kool aid mixed with Moon Shine.  All you taste is the Kool aid (they had to give it some taste!).  Purple Passion parties are popular among college students here (and yes, I went to a few).


As for the hangover?  That is usually caused by the impurities in alcohol, which moon shine (the good stuff again) does not have.

Reply #74 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #73 By: Dr. Guy - 2/4/2005 3:43:02 PM
Nope. What is it? When I was first introduced to this stuff I was given a glass of kool aid with shine in it. Beings that it was a *very* hot day, I drank it like I would *any* kool-aid. Everything was fine *until* I went to stand up and go home. WRONG move!!! I went down like I'd been kicked by a Missouri mule! Oddly enough though I suffered no hang over the next day. BTW this happened in Tenn.



Motto of Franklin Co: We Deliver!


Actually you kind of had it. Purple passion is purple kool aid mixed with Moon Shine. All you taste is the Kool aid (they had to give it some taste!). Purple Passion parties are popular among college students here (and yes, I went to a few).


As for the hangover? That is usually caused by the impurities in alcohol, which moon shine (the good stuff again) does not have.


How much is that stuff going for now? That's why the better grades of Tequila are NOT "to kill ya".
Reply #75 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #73 By: Dr. Guy - 2/4/2005 3:43:02 PM
Nope. What is it? When I was first introduced to this stuff I was given a glass of kool aid with shine in it. Beings that it was a *very* hot day, I drank it like I would *any* kool-aid. Everything was fine *until* I went to stand up and go home. WRONG move!!! I went down like I'd been kicked by a Missouri mule! Oddly enough though I suffered no hang over the next day. BTW this happened in Tenn.



Motto of Franklin Co: We Deliver!


Actually you kind of had it. Purple passion is purple kool aid mixed with Moon Shine. All you taste is the Kool aid (they had to give it some taste!). Purple Passion parties are popular among college students here (and yes, I went to a few).


As for the hangover? That is usually caused by the impurities in alcohol, which moon shine (the good stuff again) does not have.


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