Some apps also are not working on 8.0 because they were upgraded for 8.1. Netflix no longer works unless the browser is open to the net. When the store app is clicked it takes you to the store and that's where it says apps work better on 8.1. Another thing...when clicking on the Netflix app a message comes up that the developer license has expired. You must renew your license for it to work. What license? Some things are not making sense.

Strange. You pick on me for what I said yet Doc said Windows8 is crap and you don't pick on him. I see how it is.

I think (keeping all things in perspective) it is about what someone has experience with and not about who says what...

Well I'll admit I don't have experience with Windows 8.1, but I do have experience with Windows 8. That being said, I see the posts from other members here on all the bad things about Windows 8.1. I can gather logically that Windows 7 is still much better.

NO again wrong Kona...
The thing is that you first kick windows8 on the release and make a topic with the name Windows8 = EPIC FAIL
while your information was based on articles in the www mainly done by folks that .... at computing
Some topics in beetween that and lately there was the topic " Speaking about Windows 8"
where you wrote 

It isn't that Win8 is better than Win7. Both work very well only differently. Think of Win8 as Win7 with more functionality, geared towards touch screens. After playing with Win8 for a bit I'm gradually beginning to like it. I just don't like the way MS is handling it. Win8.1 acts like a poorly designed service pack rather than a full blown OS.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Couldn-t-Update-to-Windows-8-1-0xC1900101-0x40017-392807.shtml READ THIS ON SOFTPEDIA MAYBE IT CAN SHED ALITTLE LIGHT ON ALL THE PROBLEMS !

All it does is mention a driver bug but nothing about 8.1 taking out services or uninstalling existing software installed on Win8. None of which should have been touched, IMO. If anyone asks me I'm going to tell them not to until all of the issues have been fixed. It isn't worth the aggravation. 

Hi UVAH please don't get me wrong I saw this , this morning I thought maybe it could help alittle in some way. It's pretty much all over the internet I just wish I could help in some way , but as I said in previous post this has turned out to be a divine mess , Microsoft obviously was not totally prepared for this . I feel kind of bad for this I did not mean to create such a ruckus I just really hope that everyone can get this all figured out . By the way i am now using GIMP it's kind of cool having fun with it still a learning curve.

Don't feel bad, you meant well. Its just that no one anticipated all the headaches. 8.1 was supposed to correct what was wrong with 8 but it didn't in some cases.

Thanks UVAH your a cool dude I appreciate your input alot and you are totally correct everyone should wait till Microsoft works out the kinks! What I should have said in the original post was Windows 8.1 is Here Download at own risk ! LOL

Roloccolor - Did you forget that I downloaded the Windows 8 preview and used it for some time before I was given a copy of Windows 7? Yeah, funny how those little things slip your mind.

When did Doc say that Windows 8 was crap? In another thread here in Personal Computing

And yes, Windows 7 is better. The numbers speak for themselves. Windows 7 has a bigger share in the market, and rightly so.

https://forums.wincustomize.com/449175/page/1/#3407549

Reply 8.

And Windows 7 has been out for how long?  2009. It would have a larger share just due to being out longer.

 Kona, sometimes it seems you just argue to be arguing. And you contradict yourself a lot. I just accept that as part of being you.

Hey RedneckDude thanks I am in agreement on that one I have Windows 7 64 bit HomePremium and I love it except for that UAC thingy I really enjoy my system alot . I really considered 8.1 but I think I shall put it off for a while and stick with what works ! Like the old saying goes don't fix what ain't broken.

I upgraded to 8.1 and had several problems...windows explorer constantly crashed, wifi issues, web plugins not working, etc...

I then did a clean install of 8, installed only windows updates (NO drivers or software), then upgraded to 8.1...I've installed all the proper drivers and all my original software, and nearly all the problems I originally had are non-existent...the only issue I have is with a web-plugin I need for work, and I found a work around for it...

It would seem that a big source of many of these problems is not inherently 8.1, but rather the issues that go with upgrading (as opposed to clean installs)....

Exactly what I did, on the second attempt.

I have no problems at the moment with Windows 8.1, but I do have a few woes with IE 11.

No, no one forgot that.  It's just as RND stated you often contradict yourself and certainly make posts that scream "argumentative for the sake of being so".

Besides, downloading the preview and playing around in that for a while doesn't amount to the level of experience your posts routinely imply.  You may want to beat around the bush some more, but kona it is the absolute truth to say that most (if not all of your posts surrounding Windows 8, Windows phone 8 etc. etc.) have been nothing more than arguing for the sake of arguing.

Maybe with Windows 8, and I will debate that one with you. But not with Windows phone 8. I have two of those in the house, have had them for some time now, and yes, Android is much, much better.

That's just it kona.........you never debate.  You start threads or enter posts with argumentative statements (often claiming the absolute and sometimes contradictory to past posts of yours).  There is no real 'debate' with you.....

You're the fan of looking back into past posts.  Check it out.  You were making statements against Windows Phone long before you even had a smartphone.  What was it?  Oh right.......it was "too rich for your blood".......that's it.

@ Everyone else, sorry for the off-topic. 

As RND and Seleuceia have indicated, opting for the clean install route with Windows 8.1 (as with any OS imo) is the way to go.  I had only done the 'upgrade' to test things out (it was a brand-new notebook with nothing of importance on it yet) and sure enough as my previous post indicates there were some pretty major issues, all of which have been since resolved by a 'clean install' of 8.1

I went back to 8 I had problems with 8.1. On my Toshiba Satellite laptop the buttons above the numbers didn't work, lost my drivers to my DTS Sound studio. I reinstalled drivers to both but still didn't work. IE kept freezing up and on some sites pop up boxes to log into had no frames or title bars and in putting in your password there were no "OK" button. My live folders went back to default and I couldn't get to return back to the package. So I used the "Refresh Your PC" program within Win 8. It returned my laptop back to 8 and kept all my files and folders. I did have to reinstall my Stardock programs and some others. Now my buttons work, IE is smooth, the sound came back and my Live folders change with Icon Packager.

That's my 8.1 story.

Question: If this is a Win 8 to 8.1 thread why is there a discussion about why Win 7 is better?

That was before I got a job. Anyhow, I see your point, and my response is - so what? Just go with the flow. What do you want me to do? I already have a tarnished reputation, I can't fix that.

I was a hater too until I was forced to get a new laptop. Start8 saved the day.

Talk about haters I still have Vista Ultimate 32bit running on my desktop. I ordered it from HP 1 month after vista came out. All that time I only had to use System Restore once. Never had to format and it's been running smooth ever since.

Next up...XP

Waiting in the wings...

98SE

98

95........................

Windows for Workgroups

DOS...

Pong