Your historical scientists look at something sitting here today, ask "How did this happen?" and then make stuff up, and call it science.  Then, they look at something else, and say, "It's like this one... so that must be the same thing that happened as that."  Now that looks a lot more like science, and so it perpetuates itself, but it all came from someone making stuff up.

Obviously you have been lobotomized against both reality and science. My third grade grandson is more articulate than you are. Wonder if he too will grow up before you do? You seem to know an awful lot about nothing at all. Have you ever even talked with a prominent scientist or read any of their papers ... me thinks not.

Sadly we have not learned how to look forwards in time so ALL science is backwards looking (you are so easy). When we look to the stars we are looking back in time … ALWAYS. Only a complete moron could believe what you espouse concerning science … and only an idiot would actually publicize it for all to read. Well let’s see, there should be a new mountain here in a hundred thousand years so if we start analyzing it now, we will get a jump on the people who are waiting for it to appear, hahaha. Nobody can be this stupid so you must be just acting like a dick, the mainstay of Christians, especially those devoid of even grade school abilities to reason or even to wonder why? I have multiple encyclopedias to back up my beliefs and all you have is three words … “god did it”. Ok then how did god do all these things … oh, it was just magic, hahaha. Yea, I’m the one doing all the guessing here for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ2WoHFc7eE

Why do you trust what the videos say?

Lula #21:

GFTESS:

All wrong????  Is your intellect that weak? Or is it hard headed stubborness? I described human faith and it's something you have and use all the time just as the rest of us do.

Faith, whether human or Divine, is a belief in a truth, on the word of another, though that truth may not be fully understood.

Human faith....Using the example of children learning mathematics...Having faith on the word of a teacher, they learn how to multiply...the truth that 2 x 2= 4.  

Now apply that simple example to your statement in your article.

You write:

So how you are wrong? You will if you take your self imposed blinders off! 

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Divine Faith...is also a belief in a truth, on the word of another, though that truth may not be fully understood. 

Divine Faith is a supernatural virtue by which we believe all the truths God has revealed, on the word of God revealing them, Who can neither deceive nor be deceived. 

Divine Faith is supernatural because we cannot by ourselves acquire it. It's a gift of God. Without Faith it is impossible to be saved...it is necessary for salvation. St.Matt. 16:16 as is Hope and Charity (love of God and neighbor).  

Did you do the science yourself?

Did you personally examine and date the Dead Sea scrolls or the original biblical texts (Jewish, Islamic, Mormon or even Christian). Not possible because they are nonexistent. Not only are you unable to prove that there is a Christian god out there somewhere in limbo, you cannot prove or disprove that ANY other gods exist or not either. If you were to shove that bible of your in your arse where it belongs, you would become deaf and dumb and seemingly go around creating mayhem by doing whatever you want because you just couldn't know better. You cannot even prove that Thor isn't palling around with your 'golden goose'. But don't feel bad because I cannot either. Respect does not come at sword point or with life and death ultimatums so obviously you are not looking for it, so why should anyone else offer you any? Tolerance comes from acceptance of others AND their personal beliefs. Monotheism BY DEFINITION is the most intolerant form of religion the world has ever known.

300 years BCE, Rome (founded in 753 BCE) was a thriving metropolis sporting hundreds of different religions all living in relative peace and harmony. All their gods sprouted from the Egyptian gods that can be traced to the 10th millennium BCE, before Rome was even a thought. Now the mental midgets I call Christians believe ON FAITH that the world itself (as well as the whole universe) has existed for less than 6,000 years. This is just the tip of the credibility issue. Now considering that Rome was founded 2,765 years ago, that leaves less than 3,000 years for the creation of everything, the population of the earth (flora and fauna), its, complete destruction and again a repopulation of plant and animal kind from one little spot on Mt. Sinai, with 8 people and some pairs of animals. And these people don’t believe in evolution, geese. Incidentally, what we call homosexuality today was widely practiced some 6,000 years before the world was created??? And it is still practiced today both inside and outside the Christian bubble.

PS - The Masoretic text of the Torah, or Pentateuch, places the Great Deluge 1,656 years after Creation, or 1656 AM (Anno Mundi). Many attempts have been made to place this time-span to a specific date in history. At the turn of the 17th century, Joseph Scaliger placed Creation at 3950 BC, Petavius calculated 3982 BC, and according to James Ussher's Ussher chronology, Creation begun in 4004 BC, dating the Great Deluge to 2348 BC. Take your pick because they are all ridiculous numbers.

So you believe from their eyewitness testimony that they did do the experiments?  That the results published were the actual results from the experiment?

I'm not saying you should do the experiments yourself.

I'm saying that the same way you trust the results from the science experiment is the same way that I trust the Bible - because I was told about it, I understand it, and it makes sense.

You have shown that you don't understand it at all.  This doesn't mean you're stupid.  Mostly, I think you just have never applied yourself to the scriptures without some exterior misunderstanding coloring it.  That's unfortunate, but that's the way it is, I guess. 

In most cases I sure do. There is way too much peer pressure for it to be otherwise. The asses always get weeded out so unlike religion where they are sequestered and protected. Like I said, you appear clueless even in biblical matters. As difficult as it is for you to believe, these scientists have real lives and they usually center on their passions which prompted them to become experts in their fields. You aren't even close to an expert on you chosen obsession. I have worked with both the macro and microscopic worlds for well over 30 years and am an expert (at least as far as you are concerned). Have you ever looked through a microscope or a telescope? What scientific wonders has your little black book revealed (source please)? Not that it matters, more of a curiosity, which sect of Christianity do you associate yourself with?

There are many:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.html#SFB02

The Earth is a sphere!

 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." (Isaiah 40:22)

"He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters at the boundary of light and darkness." (Job 26:10)

The border between light and darkness wouldn't make sense on a flat earth - it's something that occurs only on a spherical planet and can only be seen from very high altitudes.

"In them has He set a tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race. His [the sun's] going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof." [Psalm 19:4-6]

The sun is moving along a circuit, not around the earth though.

Genesis 2:1:  "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."  The 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that matter can be neither created nor destroyed, and that the amount of matter in the universe remains constant. If the First Law is correct, which every scientific measurement ever made has confirmed, then the universe could not have created itself, it must have been created in the past, no further creating must be going on, and no loss of creation is occurring.

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that all systems degenerate from order to disorder, was regarded by Albert Einstein to be the premier Law in science. Again the Bible is the only religious book to accurately describe this Law:

"For the heavens will vanish away like smoke, the earth will grow old like a garment... (Isaiah 51:6)",

and also a New Testament rendering:

"You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; and they will all grow old like a garment; (Hebrews 1:10-11)" [7a]

Etc.

Anyway, I'm non-denominational, but closest to Baptist.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v15/n1/startling-evidence-for-noahs-flood

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/flood

A joke right, Incidentally,  we know perfectly well what binds the nucleus of an atom together least you forget I spent years braking them apart in a very controlled manner. Not that you are interested but the name gives it away. So the Earth is perfectly balanced for life huh ... the world is 75% water quite inhospitable to our species since our ancestral line emerged from it. And of the other 25%, there are countless places people had better shy from. So your god created everything from nothing a feat you persistently claim is impossible, regardless of the fact that today we can observe matter popping into and out of existence. Unlike your barbarism, science is ever improving, correcting errors that occasionally crop up or throwing things out if they cannot. You are clueless of the importance of theories in science and well let's face it; you think science was developed to give you guys a hard time, what a joke. Science doesn't seem to be a problem when it comes to going to a scientifically educated doctor. As a matter of fact, you don't seem to have any problems with science at all as long as you can benefit personally from it. And if you cannot, well then it is just bad science. Sorry pal, it just doesn’t work that way. You cannot pick and choose like you do the word of your god

As Baptist like, you have to know that the RCC (Lula incognito) sees no way for you to get where you seem to want to go because you do not believe in their god in the right way. I am going to assume that for most we are talking about the very same god. I have given up trying to understand religious anti-logic. I start at square one and seek to discover and understand the answer. You stand on the last square, pretend to know things you don’t and will do everything in your power to prevent me from educating myself. If you are so happy in your blissful world of nonsense, then why are you always whining, complaining and denouncing people you know absolutely nothing about. How is it you put it;  “Science  … but it all came from someone making stuff up.”

And this is your idea of historical science (whatever that is?):

“Your historical scientists look at something sitting here today, ask "How did this happen?" and then make stuff up, and call it science.  Then, they look at something else, and say, "It's like this one... so that must be the same thing that happened as that."  Now that looks a lot more like science, and so it perpetuates itself, but it all came from someone making stuff up.”

Please don’t talk to me further concerning science because I cannot take the abuse anymore!!!

Christians know that the Holy Bible cannot contradict empirical science and vice versa. They can't by definition, for Almighty God is both the principal Author of the Bible --is omniscient, Truth Itself, and free from all error and the Creator of the universe and all that's in it, including space, time and matter. 

You ask a question and you get a solid, substantive answer and you pooh, pooh it off as a joke!

That the Bible describes scientific truths long before Science was ever thought of should knock your socks off. 

You've been writing here as though you are interested in gaining knowledge. 

Instead of acquiring knowledge when it's right in front of you, you prefer your own philosophical idealism, the subjective realm, the realm of your mind.  

And what?....Atheistic Humanism is a mental condition for the strong, self sufficient and capable of all things who know what they know without instructions or help from teachers?

Religion (Practicing Christianity) doesn't sap self reliance and initiative. These the Christian uses to the full and asks additional help from God to supply deficiencies.

No, the irreligious person is the weakling, shirking the duty of rendering to God what is due to God, shirking the humility of admitting that he is not perfect; not sufficient in all things; shirking the greatest reality of life.

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You forget that the Bible declares God to have been the cause of the Great Flood. God is omnipotent. He can suspend, dispense with, and regulate the physical laws. He Created them after all. He established as He pleases, and without the slightest difficulty. Imagined difficulties by one who thinks only of materialistic things, leaving out the direct power of God are of no value. 

The only way to refute the account of the Great Flood is to refute the historical character of Genesis on other grounds than you've given in # 41..or to show that there is no God or that He is not omnipotent. In other words, you must show that the cause alleged by Genesis either does not exist, or could not accomplish what is attributed to Him. It is of no use to say that it could not have happened becasue an omnipotent God who created the Universe and all that's in it can do with that universe or any part of it what He wills. 

The question is not as to whether God could do it, but did He do it? The Holy Bible says that He did and there is positive evidence for it. There is no empirical evidence against it. The Great Flood happened. I accept it.

God sent the Great Flood as a just punishment for previous sins and as a lesson to future generations. 

Who owns the world indeed? The RCC is the world’s oldest and longest lived fraud having forged its way to posterity on the dying backs of the very people they are supposed to help, as if. Look at the worldwide mayhem just the Portuguese and Spanish empires accomplished when empowered by the pope to  take whatever they liked from any who were non-Christian as long as the papal received more than a ‘fair share’ of the plunder. Known forged documents, imagine that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaZc9WqoPbg

PS - The Donation of Constantine (Latin, Donatio Constantini) is a forged Roman imperial decree by which the emperor Constantine I supposedly transferred authority over Rome and the western part of the Roman Empire to the Pope ... only it was written hundreds of years after Constantine died.

Ah, the skeptic tries again with wrongful assertions against Christ's One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. 

Talk about delusional..your video guy is it! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8O_gVTXhnk&feature=related

I was going to remove this clip because I had difficulty verifying it. But I forced myself to read the whole speech and was able to verify it, so it stays. Just seems like blanket permission for catholic Christians can do and say whatever they want as long as the attach the religion card to it … just as the RCC sheeple are doing today.

“Therefore the Catechism of the Catholic Church can rightly say that Christianity does not simply represent a religion of the book in the classical sense (cf. par. 108).  It perceives in the words the Word, the Logos itself, which spreads its mystery through this multiplicity and the reality of a human history.  This particular structure of the Bible issues a constantly new challenge to every generation.  It excludes by its nature everything that today is known as fundamentalism.  In effect, the word of God can never simply be equated with the letter of the text.”

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2008/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20080912_parigi-cultura_en.html

Ha, cut me some slack. It was late last night (at least for me..way past my bedtime) when I saw the video and posted my response. 

No one denies the Donation forgery. It's just that over the years, those who hate and oppose the Church, her claim of being the only one Divinely established by Christ in 33AD, have lied, embellished, and developed myths and legends about it.

The video guy's assertion that the forgery resulted in the Pope claiming to be owner of the world is an outright lie. It's also outrageously stupid. 

He also needs a lesson in history. 

From 33AD to the 3rd century, history confirms the early Christians (called Catholics after 107AD) were being intensely persecuted for practicing their religion and claiming it was the only one true Faith, first by the Jews and then after 70AD, by all the Roman Emperors until Constantine I. 

In 312, Constantine I issued the Edict of Milan, which decreed that all religious groups of the empire, including Christians, were free to worship as they pleased.

 As a result of the Edict's protection and support, the intense persecutions stopped and the apostolic missionary work spread the Faith so effectively that Christianity increased in size and influence throughout the Roman Empire. 

The Church was growing and churches were being established in Greece, Asia Minor and Egypt. And although St.Peter had long established the Holy See at Rome and it was to the Holy See that was the place of central authority for settling issues and questions of doctrine, of discipline and of jurisdiction. 

Now, what exactly did Constantine donate to Pope St.Sylvester I (314-335)? 

It was during his pontificate that Constantine ordered churches to be built in Rome and Jerusalem. It was his gift of the property of Lateran Palace to the pope that formed the nucleus of the "Patrimony of St.Peter", the name given to the possessions of the Holy See. 

Gifts and bequests augumented these properties to such an extent that the Pope became the largest land owner in Italy, not the world!!!! That's the simple history but legends linking the Pope with COnstantine, added many imaginary episodes to this simple history and a spurious 9th century document recorded the Emperor's "donation" to Pope Sylvester of "the city of Rome, and all the provinces, places and cities of Italy, and the western lands."

BTW, the revenues from the Patrimony of St.Peter were used not only for administrative and ecclesiastical needs, but also to maintain hospitals, poor houses, and orphanages, to provide food and alms, to ransom hostages and slaves, and for other charitable purposes. 

Next, why the forgery?

Now wait a minute here… Neither Constantine I nor Pope Sylvester I was privy to this fraud nor was anyone else for hundreds of years so this is just camouflage or the buildup to your excuses as to why the RCC just had to do it. Lie cheat and steal in the name of your god, this stuff just keeps getting better. Lula, if you are going to go fetch someone else’s work, at least make is somehow applicable to the subject. If you think HE needs a history lesson then contact Rev. Kevin Annett and give him his lesson because I don’t think he is going to get it on JU. I myself do not need a history lesson from you but would like your sources. Just because you don’t verify doesn’t mean I don’t too.

PS - Rev. Kevin Annett can be found all over the net or you can visit him in Canada if you like.

PSs – Only a blind, deaf and dumb fool passes up the golden opportunity to review the playbook of the opposition … don’t have to worry about that when dealing with religious folk though do we?

PSssss whatever - Lula, this is not sunday school, just thought I would remind you.

What is the point in threatening an atheist with the misery of the Christian heaven and hell? What good are the use of religious parables and other associated nonsensicals against an atheist who could care less? Am I supposed to change my mind on everything I know, understand, love and live for … just because they are afraid of their own deities? Me thinks not!

Do Not Threaten Me With Hell   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qL5BbrDEmo&feature=related

And you believe an anti-Catholic guy in a video who says the Pope owns the world based on a 8th century forgery that in reality had little to no practical effect. WHY? because in fact, the Papacy from St. Peter on was already firmly established. The tradition of his supremacy persisted. Christ appointed St.Peter and from him on, the Popes are the unique possessor of universal ecclesiastical jurisdiction.

The whole Donation hoax has not a leg to stand on..but as we see, the legends and the lies persist through today....you being the latest bearer! What a waste. I say that because I know now more than ever you are not interested in truth or accuracy at all.