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Delusional beliefs and their harm to humanity

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Delusional beliefs and their harm to humanity

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To classify a belief as delusional, it must meet the following requirements:

  1. It cannot be based on our physical reality in any way because it must be miraculous, beyond human ken. 
  2. There can be no real world evidence for its existence because some might eventually think to look for it.
  3. Nothing else matters.

Faith is unreliable, harmful and so unnecessary.  If one has evidence, there is no need of faith because you have the evidence. But those who only have faith do not have any evidence and don’t require any, nor will they accept any. Based on the scriptures of our monotheistic religions, they all have their own ‘Last Prophet’, the last human being to converse with their particular god in the real world … the same god mind you. Christians believe Jesus was the last prophet. In Islam, Muhammad was the last prophet. In Jainism, Mahavira is also claimed to be the last prophet. Mani, founder of the Persian faith Manichaeism claimed to be the last prophet. In Mandaeanism, John the Baptist is considered the last prophet. I wonder where Joseph Smith stands here having been born ~307 years ago???

Miracles Modern style: Catholics claim that a communion wafer is transformed by blessing it, into the literal physical flesh of Christ which they then feel compelled to eat every Sunday. Pentecostals believe that speaking in tongues is something besides one Christian pretending to understand the other. Christian ‘scientists’ believe in faith healing by ‘the laying on of hands’ or ‘the bowling of people’ to spirit away whatever ails them. Latter-Day Saints believe that Joseph Smith was gods’ last prophet which if true alone would prove all the other religions false. Whose delusions do you want to believe and why can’t you believe the others? Most religious folk believe in intercessory prayer but it only seems to work in the successful cases which just happen to coincide with the medical prognosis. Well even I as a free thinker believe in homeopathic miracles, hahaha. Don’t even want to discuss exorcisms, not going there because I can only take so much BS.

Then there are those with confirmation bias where they only read literature from people who already agree with them or like with the bible, they skip the distasteful parts. The only thing they seem to know about the outside world is what they read in their hate mail … which is quite obvious by the way. Let’s not forget the conviction card that goes like this: I believe something to be true because I believe it to be the word of god. Conviction is just a measure of how much you believe in something (doesn’t matter why) and doesn’t have anything to do with reality or the truth … you believe … so what I say … I believe in things too but mine are real and provable???

It is amazing to me when I think of all the holy books there are around the world … all of which is considered to be the inerrant  word of one god or another (don’t ask me?). Even more amazing (is that possible?) is that the god of our modern monotheistic religions is the same one … and he left us with different instructions almost as if it were a test or something. Simply stated they all cannot be true (they can’t), then what evidence do we have to help us make a choice if one is inclined? Well we don’t have any evidence, but we have figured out the only way this anomaly can happen in the real world. We began to see a pattern and as it turns out, wherever you were born and who raised you are the only determining factors and in most cases it is a lifelong belief.  The only people around the world who murder other people they do not even know due to a difference of opinion over a fictional character ... are believers of god, in one guise or another. It doesn't take faith to say you don't know something; it just takes a little humility and nothing more.  Just doesn’t make any sense to me?

 

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Reply #101 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting GirlFriendTess, reply 98
I suggest you read a book on how evolution actually works .

Fine...provide one and I'll give it a go.

On second thought...don't waste your time or mine because Darwin's Evolution, change beyond kind, doesn't work. Never has, never will. You've been deceived.

 

 

 

Reply #102 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 101
Fine...provide one and I'll give it a go. On second thought...don't waste your time or mine because Darwin's Evolution, change beyond kind, doesn't work. Never has, never will. You've been deceived.
Perfect example of inanity. All you need to do is talk to yourself because you are just so smart AND you have a bible. A Google search of "books on evolution” revealed some 1,160,000 results (in 0.76 seconds) so if you still need guidance, I am sure I don't understand why??? Besides you won’t learn enough to understand evolution from one book because it is so diverse in our world, but it would permit you to use the correct terminology like from the 21st century. That at least would permit me to understand better whatever it is you are trying to break. Besides you don’t need to buy anything, WikipediA has a few pages that will do nicely for a start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

The meaning of "Darwinism" has changed over time, and varies depending on context. In the United States, the term "Darwinism" is often used by creationists as a pejorative term in reference to beliefs such as atheistic naturalism, but in the United Kingdom the term has no negative connotations, being freely used as a shorthand for the body of theory dealing with evolution, and in particular, evolution by natural selection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinism

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Reply #103 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 101
Reply #101lulapilgrim
I don’t mind chatting up most topics, but I do not relish talking to abject liars, life is too short for that. You can sit in your ivory tower of lies and say anything you want to for whatever reasons that float your sinking ship but until you can prove SOMETHING, you are in abject denial of reality as evidenced by your admission that science is not your forte yet you somehow still feel self-empowered to reject all of it out of hand. You do this by lumping everything into your “Darwinian/Stellar evolution” box from which you can attack everything scientific. As a YEC, you are forced to lie about everything because you have no proof of your own. Why are your creation ‘scientists’ incapable of something as simple as proving everything to be <6ky thus proving the earth and universe are <6ky old ... END OF STORY. Well all of these masterminds you quote cannot do it, why you ask, well it is because the earth is ~4.5 by old … because it is simply not young and no amount of magic can change that fact. And because you have exactly “ZERO” facts pro or con, all you are left with is to try and denounce the evils of science with arguments creationists have used forever and that have already been disproved soundly. Well I don’t GAS how much you believe in something … if it is incorrect … it is incorrect. And if you are unwilling to correct your views or attempt to find the truth for yourself then you are guilty of perpetuating lies and deceits as you blissfully live your life as if in a bronze age story book … yea god’s perfect truth alright. Because of your dogmatic views, you are insulting your own chosen god and forcing him into the role of the ultimate liar … because you just have to have a 6ky old earth and no lie is too small for you to pretend to prove your ultimate infallible wisdom direct from god, my arse.

How could creationism not be dishonest   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpeHrkbx9LU

Reply #104 from JoeUser Forums Top

The problem and a simple one at that comes almost entirely from the theological circles of monotheism around the world that take their old books literally. This expresses itself in the guise of Christianity in the US (and elsewhere) but it is not the only one. Radical Islam is headed this way and they are being much more effective on the world's political scene as in the UN. Look at what BO and co. had to say when our embassy was overrun: A deplorable Islamophobic YouTube was made the culprit all the while knowing better. What they were really saying is that the feelings of some radical Muslim pricks thousands of miles outside the US take precedence over the 1st amendment rights of American citizens living in and paying taxes to the US. The arrested him anyway knowing it was false ... at least those in the state dept. did. Don't want to get into the politics so back to where I was going. Islamic creation is even worse than the Christian one if you can believe that. Seems they have had their creation battles just as we have and soundly lost too. And now they are working towards ... go ahead and take a guess..................... they are downplaying science and evolutionary theory, good grief. Those people were one of the wonders of the enlightened world  ... until they made up their barbaric book. It seems that they are just as misinformed as our own creationists, go figure.

Has Evolution Been Misunderstood iERA Announcement   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uePf2iIO-w

PS - what in the world does evolutionary theory have to do with the beginning of life???