Demigod - The Legends Tournament

NT

Nah, like the majority of your ideas, this one is quite interesting.

However, a big question mark arises: how can pacov, being inactive for ~6 months, judge the skill level of players adequately? I'm not sure the retrospective judgment does justice (both ways): for example, most of the players that I remember from my mid days as ZOMG-soooo-good seem rather meh now (sorry, guys, hehe). On the other hand, the high professionalism of certain players I've never put on a pedestal (sazonov/yellow_belly or OMG_UserBanned, for instance) is much more evident now.

Bottom line: the perspective changes (we tend to idealize the past glories), people's skill changes (some get better, some get worse). You see the problem, I trust.

Host a LoL tourney and I might come.... 

Host a LoL tourney and I might come...

I don't know, man. McShane said you suck at LoL...

Mcshane also thought I sucked at Demigod. Everyone is a critic. 

count me in... let me know where to send my $3

PS - Open up a paypal way for ppl to contribute toward your "bonus" pool and at least some of us would look to sweeten this last/best tourne

we very well might have different rules for folks that based on my estimation of skill. re: my $20, $10, $5 entrance fees... perhaps the $20 folks will not be able to use the same character more than 2 times... the the $10 folks not more than 4 times... and the $5 folks have no restrictions.  Anyway - last random thought.  That idea might be crap...

Indeed.

Double indeed.  I've had better ideas.

Anyhow, re: the idea of the tournament in general, though, we'll see how many folks have any interest.  It will, without a doubt, be a pay to play tourney.  I wonder how many Demigod tournaments were spawned by me having a little too much to drink one night

I'm against the idea of buy in. It's an invitational already and to ask for money on top is weird. And restricting one over others makes no sense at all.

I say the invitational is for the glory, and who wants to put money in can.

Otherwise who will want to participate against the Zen_God

and make it 3v3!!!!!

Lurks around.

I think money is unnecessary, glory is enough as Zen says. It won't add up to be much anyway and all the hassle to send money and deal with all that would only push people away from the tourney. And yeah 3v3 sounds much much better.

And logistically problematic, though.  Maybe anyway...

And last - this tournament will happen in a timely order.  People not showing up when expected will be disqualified.  We will not be exceedingly gracious.

Haha I've heard this bullsh** before, no thanks.

Lol how conceited of you to believe that conversation actually occurred!

It sounded mcshane enough for me! hehehe

i just wanna go ub and eat some 

Indeed

2v2 is not diverse enough, no matter what rules you do, there will be 2 champs that will eat all others. 3v3 we'll have more variety and teamplay. 2v2 will be stale: i'm the best 1v1 player and make no mistakes zzzzZZZZZZ

Well its hard enough finding out who "the best" is in 2v2s and 1v1s.. Now try to find a format for 3v3s. Thinking of all the things one should consider and take into account lol

On top of it you could do the best teamplayer,  best supportplayer, and the best ub/ erbus/ da etc.

or we could just play league of legends. 

OK - so I'm a bit wiped out, but wanted to throw down some thoughts.  First and foremost, good 'ol pacov was boozed up when he made the OP.  Of course, it all sounded great at the time.  That said, I still think the basic idea is good, but perhaps with some revisions.  Let me address a few things. 

IN1 - I think you misunderstand a few things about me and then also fall into the same arrogant category that you place me.  First, if I thought you are at the same skill level when I played you last... well, I'm an idiot and your response is totally justified.  I'm quite aware that you've put more than a little time into your craft.  And while I wouldn't put you in the tier 1 class (my def = players that are excellent with all characters), I absolutely wouldn't slight your sedna.  And I also assume you are decent with other characters, but not quite tier 1 with them. That said, tier 1 is just my view on things and makes you completely versatile.  For instance, zen might be tier 1 with ub (and a better ub than me), but (while he can play a solid erebus), he can't compete at the same level as I can at erb.  To me, all that crap means is that there is a player that is no joke with all characters, but I edge them out here and there... and they edge me out here and there.  You've spent a significant amount of time becoming excellent with Sedna.  I assume you are excellent with Sedna now (and not the midish/mid+ you were when we played last).  That said, while you assume that I have no idea how folks may have progressed in their skill, I'm actually quite confident that I do understand.  I can see potential, the same as you.  I fully know that some folks have been and will stay tier 2 - while others will progress in their skill level.

Anyway, all of that said, if I have debunked your belief that I think no one has changed in skill level and that I do appreciate that folks with potential can increase in skill, let me go on.  Assuming that folks that you've considered great in the past are rot falls into the same category.  In fact, you weren't so good back then.  Now that your skill level is improving, you are simply going another step to indicate that you think folks that you played in the past were crap.  The matter of fact is that you are simply getting better and perhaps can now play at the same level.  Anyway, you can disagree on that point, but its simply a matter of logic.  If cow beat you down in the past and now you are doing substantially better than you did then, the logical thought is to think you can beat cow now.  And that's how we all are (at the competitive level).  The difference is in discounting folks like cow completely.  You can say you think you'd beat him, but to say he's crap, etc, goes a bit beyond what you've experienced (eg he's crap if you play him today and kick the ever loving crap out of him).

Sigh... I'm apparently wordy.

Anyway, let me bring things back and hopefully wrap up soon.  My OP is quite arrogant (and again, fueled by booze).  It passively says that I'm amazing and that I will invite amazing folks to play.  A better approach would be to simply organize a small get together amongst peers and fight it out.  And for the community, we could provide replays and perhaps some commentary.  I'm fully confident that watching replays has helped many players games (especially new ones). 

I took an angle of trying to charge an entrance fee to exclude folks.  I figured zen's cheap arse would buckle (lo and behold :P), while other folks that we might not see in this competition (prussian) step up to the plate.  While I like knowing that prussian wants to put his money where his mouth is, I think I took a wrong approach.

So here's what I'm thinking for this.  Fug the prize money/entrance fee.   We can have a real, arse kicking, tournament of the top players.  We will pick like 2 weekends.  Pick some time slots. I'll invite folks that I believe can compete at this level (and yes, I will gladly listen to folks that are currently active in the game for input).  We will all have to be willing to commit to like 4 hour time blocks (maybe 1 day per week - on the weekend).  If you can't make it, you are dropped (or some annoying rule). 

Prussian and IN1 will be invited to participate for sure.  Everyone else I'll list out here that I'm thinking of soon. 

Oh - and on the rule side, I'm thinking it would be no restrictions on DG selection.  Any thoughts?  Or maybe forcing 1 player on the team to a restricted list (eg handicap 1 player to force more diversity)?

Man.............. I don't know if I want to bother to install dg.................

Well, tbh, my point wasn't "OMG, pacov, look at me, I'm soooo awesome now!" (you seem to think so a bit), but more along the lines of "You can surely understand the relative strength of players changes over time, both by getting better and by becoming rusty, but there is no way on Earth you can rate the current tiers adequately after being inactive for so long".

My suggestion is: come back for a little while before the invitation phase, play a little bit with various people. See how, dunno, nnnils performs, see how renz performs, see how Darkli performs, etc. Ofc, it's all only relevant if you have no smurf account that you are using to keep track of things (:

Man.............. I don't know if I want to bother to install dg.................

Dunno, man... McShane just pm'ed me with: "I surely hope he wants to bother to uninstall LoL! Haha!". And seriously, DG installation is not a long process (:

if there is anything that could me bring back to Demigod, this is it ; )