hmm... but I wonder if it may be too powerful by comparison.  That's quite a bit of nuking power + plus monks + ranged kills + escapes.  Tb would have to either be ice or float between forms for an interrupt.  I'm trying to think if I can come up with a more powerful team than them - ESPECIALLY with uberfix enabled.  With it on and the oc gets sacrifice, etc... hmm..

I don't think Oc + TB will be exceptionally better than other combinations and this game is all about adjusting to the other teams strengths right?

Well... yes to some degree.  But if I was picking the strongest team right now, I'd say it was oc + tb.  I don't remember if we played some last night where you got cow, but with the sacrifice ability, anytime you get spammed with damage, you teammate gets a health boost.  I'm anticipating that will be a good strat.  I might be wrong, of course, but I think it may be the strongest team. 

McShane and I are a team now I guess.

As for third round choice, in every competitive game I've ever played the team that did better on average in the first two rounds got their pick for the third.  It only makes sense.  By the current purposed rules this scenario could happen:

game 1: My team loses after a 1.5 hour very close-knit game because of a small mistake at the end
game 2: My team obliterates the other team in 15 minutes.
game 3: the other team gets second round dg selection and thus the advantage even though they did by far the worse over the last two rounds.

That doesn't make any sense.  Therefore I purpose that if a round goes to three games, which ever team won in the least amount of minutes from the previous games gets to choose their demigods last, giving them the advantage they earned.  If by some miracle both teams won with the same reported minutes the team that won game 1 gets to choose dgs last.

Also why does ninki keep saying the dg selection is bad but he won't offer any better suggestions? HRM

Oh and I hope you are collecting these 'donations' now pacov, as it's going to be pretty hard to get them after the tourney is over.

I'd also like a 30 second grace period. Each team can force a restart of the match if it occurs in 30 seconds or less. Same demigod selection and sides must be done. The reason I propose this is because:

- Monk stuck in citadel early game

- Unforeseen lag or connection issues that need to be resolved

30 seconds should be sufficient for both of these to occur, while not being so long as to promote crazy level 1 suicides and then saying GRACE!

We could cut it down to 15 or 20 seconds if you think that is best.

Each team would get a maximum of 1 grace per 3 games.

Obviously, I'm hoping we would adhere to a "gentlemanly" way of doing this, so people won't use to for an unfair advantage. The problem is just... it's demigod! unexpected things will happen.

oh, I'm all over that as well. 

I think ninki was in a bad mood today.  Happens :)  I'll get you and mcshane added soon.  Glad to hear you guys formed a team and hope you get a chance to get some practice in and dust off the cobwebs!

hmmm... least amount of time for a win may be viable... I'm still trying to think of a quick rule that decides though.  That might work.  Any other thoughts?

And back to the donations - here's what the deal is.  I'm putting out announcements to you guys based on whats committed.  I've talked to the sponsors (only dg players at this point) and they've agreed to send me the money via paypal.  Once that happens and it clears, I'll keep that money in my paypal acount.  I'll issue another statement that I officially have X dollars and then submit the payment to the 2 individuals that win the tourney.  I'm very confident that the folks who have pledged will be paying though.  At any rate, once their payments go through to me, if they have no objection, I'll let you know the kind folks that helped make our tournament all the more exciting.  And I do think we will have another tournament in May at this rate.  Payouts for this tourney will be by paypal only and if there is any cost to submit payment to the winners, it will come out of the total pot. 

And last - you fellas that offered to provide some commentary - if i remember right, aBornExile and Rawrrrr so far - please try to get together and come up with a good plan on how to get some commentary out there.  I'd personally enjoy the commentary, but I won't be involved in making that happen - so I appreciate any work you guys put in to pulling it off.

Hi Pacov,

Please register myself and Jorune2112 as a team for the tourney.

Thanks,

Ouch

No problem - added McShane + mags, and ouch + jorune.  We now have 9 full teams registered.  Glad to see we are having so many take interest

Remember - the deadline is next Wed.  If you miss it, you won't be able to participate so at least get your name added to the free agents for now if you want to play and haven't sorted a teammate yet. 

Dude, I did not commit to being on your team yet how.  I asked fedex first and I have to see if he can make it.  

The End.

I'm confused, brandon, I take it you play under Jorune2112?  I hadn't drawn that connection.  I'll remove that team for now.  You guys let me know whats up once that's sorted.  I could add you, ouch, to the free agents list in the meantime - if you like.

edit - misunderstanding on my part.  ignore.

pacov, I think brandon is responding to #103 from howboutnooo.  You can probably leave Jorune and Ouch up as a team. 

On team selection: the fact that there's no clear consensus makes me feel better about the chart as it stands.  I vote to keep it. 

I am a little sad that the format changed, though, just because I doubt we will see many DA or Reg at this point and those two are so fun to play..

ah - thanks ke5.  I'll add that team back in then.  I think I understand now. 

I 2nd.  I think we go with the chart.  Unless there are any strong objections, I'll edit the OP later today to include the new character selection rules.

And I agree - odds are we won't see da at the very least and prob no reg.  The irony does not escape me. 

I'm in if Cow still wants me.

Edit: I'll read the rest of the post in a sec. Just got to work.

1.  lowest victory time from previous games is a good indicator

2.  You and pacov should sort out what you mean by 'advantage they earned' - pacov's advantage is getting to chose Darkness, since you have HP and Gold Flag right there.  magnus' advantage is getting to pick your DGs last.  The nice thing is that one forces the other, but we should figure out which is a better reward.  

Everything that jukes your early game happens before you leave fog of war, right?

How about instead of a time limit just say the grace period lasts until first contact? I.E. the moment enemy DGs pop up on the minimap for both sides the grace period is over. 

Hey guys

Just stopped by to say it's great seeing this kind of community effort actually happenning, a pair of months ago i'd have swore demigod would by completely dead by now, but you stubbornly keep it alive (unlike GPG... ). So, congrats to all participants and contributers

Unfortunately i'm in no shape to participate in anything remotely competitive, and 2v2 isn't my cup of tea (i'd have to swim through my games list to see if i actually ever played an online 2v2 game ). But, i'd like to encourage tournament participation (i'll contact pacov about this), and maybe observe some games if that was possible.

So, if participants dont have any problem with it, tournament matches could be properly labeled ingame and maybe leave some spots open so observers can jump in, as long as pings are reasonable and all that .

About tournament rules and char. selection, things look quite well settled and thought, but i'm no 2v2 game mechanics expert so i can't say much.

All in all, keep it up, looks like a really exciting tournament

P.S: Thank you Cow for thinking of me as your teammate, my respects man   .

CASH PRIZE IS NOW > $100.02.

Here is the character selection chart again.  If you can't see it, please reply here asap as I'll be using this in the OP.  If that fails, I'll just use the one ptarth was kind enough to throw together.  

Since it looks like progress is being made, here is my contribution to slow it.

While it is a community norm not to allow duplicate demigods on the same team, I think we could safely relax it for some pairings.

Double Demon Assassin, QoT, Regulus, TB, all seem fair to me.

Double QoTs would be annoying, lmao.

I say stick with no doubles.  It is a common rule and why change it?

The End.

Have you ever played against two Heaven's Wrath Snipe Regs?  Or had two DAs leapfrog swap you almost to their crystal from midmap? 

Demigod's balance, such as it is, falls apart when you can stack the same abilities on top of each other imo

regarding doubles:  I actually love doubles and don't mind doubles on a given team, but I think we should leave things as they are. 

Agreed. Double Reg is frustrating but far from OP or anything. I'd like to see it made a possible viable character selection in the future, but NOT FOR THIS TOURNEY. We need to get character selection nailed down and I'd like to keep it that way. Future tournaments can revise the chart for any overpowered or underpowered combinations (eg, if we see a lot of Occ + TB maybe we should remove that, or if we don't see a single Oak or Erebus we should think about including maybe TB with Erebus or something).

Another way to potential balance this, or at least make certain combinations more ... enticing would be to have basically, handicaps. This obviously wouldn't be for the current tourney, but if you play something like... Oak + DA and maybe we never see any of those. So, what we do, is it's "really" a 3v2, but the third person is just a judge/referee and can't do anything EXCEPT by citadel upgrades. Maybe they get Regen and/or Splash Damage I and/or XP I and/or Currency for free. It's not a huge change or anything, but it may be a way of making certain character combinations at least... a little more appealing.

The third person would be required to stand on the little "outlet" behind the crystal for the entire game and the only time they can do anything would be to purchase said upgrades, at which point they would have to go back immediately. I understand with the connection issues demigod has, that can cause problems, but the vast majority of people can play 3v3s at the very least.

I'm not sure of how much of a benefit this could have, but it might be a way of making some of less popular or weaker combinations slightly more competitive.

ok team Teseer/Ke5trel is a go

Fear our unstoppable DA/Reg team! 

Edit: There hasn't been any real criticism of the chart in a while.  I say lock it down, post it in OP, and let's go with it.