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Reply #4551 June 4, 2010 5:24 PM from

Sins Forums Top

I'm willing to bet that the Yama (I assume that they're the people who Crow's people are at war with) are using AK-47s. I saw some captured Taliban ones at the AGI, and they were pretty tacky, to be honest. That's why people use the AKs, because the parts are easy to get, and an 8-year-old could put them together. We weren't allowed to fire them, seeing as there was no telling if they'd break, catch on fire, or explode. The spread of the rounds is ridiculous as well. A hit from anywhere but close range will usually be non-lethal, if they hit you at all. A British soldier took a round through the neck and survived, whereas a modern weapon would have killed him very quickly with a hit like that.

Reply #4552 June 4, 2010 5:24 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

The SA80 L85A2 looks identical to the IL86 of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Clear sky. I dont know if you've played that game, but I think it might be the same weapon with a different name.

(Sorry, but I cant find a better pic of the game, on Google... $:\$ )

But I got this:

Yeah, I know its firing 1 by 1 each bullet. I've played a lot of STALKER!

The L22A2 Carbine must be really powerful. And the NATO scope is widely used by the British military, huh?

Btw, I cant help but notice the L86A2 - IL86 similarity.....

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Reply #4553 June 4, 2010 5:30 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Alpha_003_Snipe, reply 4551

I'm willing to bet that the Yama (I assume that they're the people who Crow's people are at war with) are using AK-47s. I saw some captured Taliban ones at the AGI, and they were pretty tacky, to be honest. That's why people use the AKs, because the parts are easy to get, and an 8-year-old could put them together. We weren't allowed to fire them, seeing as there was no telling if they'd break, catch on fire, or explode. The spread of the rounds is ridiculous as well. A hit from anywhere but close range will usually be non-lethal, if they hit you at all. A British soldier took a round through the neck and survived, whereas a modern weapon would have killed him very quickly with a hit like that.

End of Alpha_003_Snipe's quote

Yeah, because the AK's are very cheap to build, thats why they are very unreliable. They are also all over the world on the black market.

I would trust more an entirely custom-made weapon from a stranger, than a standard AK-47. Oh yeah, I would.

Also, most of these weapons are salvaged, and thats why you can never know how each one of them operates. About the lethality, I find it hard to believe, because they are supposed to be very lethal. Then again, a weapon that old, is normal to be outdated by modern weapons in every aspect, so yeah, its quite possible.

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Reply #4554 June 4, 2010 5:35 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

The G-36, now thats an awesome type of weapon

It fits a grenade launcher as well:

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Reply #4555 June 4, 2010 5:47 PM from

Sins Forums Top

Yeah, the IL86 and the pic you posted are the L86A1, which is essentially the same gun, but it underwent a major refit because there were quite a few problems. Before we got the A2s we used the cadet-issue A1s. I didn't like them, because they jammed loads.

And yeah, the story's true, it was on the televised Remembrance Day service, so I'm sure that they wouldn't lie on that.

The primary cause of death in the British military at the moment is because of IEDs. They're essentially homemade landmines. The problem is, that due to the nature of the mission in Afghanistan, you need to have men patrolling on the ground. Fortunately, most IEDs are reported by the locals, who are just as keen as we are to remove the Taliban. However, the real killers are the ones that are on roads used by vehicle patrols. If we had helicopters (MOD sold the lot before buying new ones, and then the defence budget was cut... ) then part of the problem would be removed, as soldiers could hitch a ride on a helicopter when they want to travel between camps. The problem of patrols being hit is an unavoidable issue, though, and the vehicles that we've been using simply aren't built to take an IED blast. They simply add to the carnage with shrapnel from their frames. However, it's getting better now, with better vehicles. A surprisingly quick reaction by MOD. Usually they wait until after a war to give soldiers the right gear for it.

And, finally, the scope used on the rifles is a SUSAT scope. They're very good, and aren't electronic like the COD-famous ACOG. I heard that the army is starting to use ACOGs some of the time. Suppose it's for when they're needed.

So, what guns do your armies use, people?

Edit: Agreed. G-36s are great. Germans make good stuff.

Reply #4556 June 4, 2010 5:58 PM from

Stardock Forums Top

Quoting morpheas768, reply 4553

Quoting Alpha_003_Snipe,
reply 4551
I'm willing to bet that the Yama (I assume that they're the people who Crow's people are at war with) are using AK-47s. I saw some captured Taliban ones at the AGI, and they were pretty tacky, to be honest. That's why people use the AKs, because the parts are easy to get, and an 8-year-old could put them together. We weren't allowed to fire them, seeing as there was no telling if they'd break, catch on fire, or explode. The spread of the rounds is ridiculous as well. A hit from anywhere but close range will usually be non-lethal, if they hit you at all. A British soldier took a round through the neck and survived, whereas a modern weapon would have killed him very quickly with a hit like that.

Yeah, because the AK's are very cheap to build, thats why they are very unreliable. They are also all over the world on the black market.

I would trust more an entirely custom-made weapon from a stranger, than a standard AK-47. Oh yeah, I would.

Also, most of these weapons are salvaged, and thats why you can never know how each one of them operates. About the lethality, I find it hard to believe, because they are supposed to be very lethal. Then again, a weapon that old, is normal to be outdated by modern weapons in every aspect, so yeah, its quite possible.

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End of morpheas768's quote

Actually standard AK-47 (and AK-series weapons in general) assault rifles are VERY reliable. Because they are simple to produce, maintain, and are highly reliable, THAT'S why they are so popular.

However, I'd say that only AK-series weapons from Russia (the country of origin for the weapon) are like that. Anything that's produced as a local copy in very non-industrial areas are almost certainly inferior. The "Yama", if they are using AKs, are probably using either really old rifles or are employing inferior copies.

Quoting morpheas768, reply 4554

The G-36, now thats an awesome type of weapon

Reduced 66%

Original 900 x 495

It fits a grenade launcher as well:

Reduced 78%

Original 697 x 559

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End of morpheas768's quote

The G36 is bitchin'. Nuff said.

Quoting Alpha_003_Snipe, reply 4555

Yeah, the IL86 and the pic you posted are the L86A1, which is essentially the same gun, but it underwent a major refit because there were quite a few problems. Before we got the A2s we used the cadet-issue A1s. I didn't like them, because they jammed loads.

And yeah, the story's true, it was on the televised Remembrance Day service, so I'm sure that they wouldn't lie on that.

The primary cause of death in the British military at the moment is because of IEDs. They're essentially homemade landmines. The problem is, that due to the nature of the mission in Afghanistan, you need to have men patrolling on the ground. Fortunately, most IEDs are reported by the locals, who are just as keen as we are to remove the Taliban. However, the real killers are the ones that are on roads used by vehicle patrols. If we had helicopters (MOD sold the lot before buying new ones, and then the defence budget was cut... ) then part of the problem would be removed, as soldiers could hitch a ride on a helicopter when they want to travel between camps. The problem of patrols being hit is an unavoidable issue, though, and the vehicles that we've been using simply aren't built to take an IED blast. They simply add to the carnage with shrapnel from their frames. However, it's getting better now, with better vehicles. A surprisingly quick reaction by MOD. Usually they wait until after a war to give soldiers the right gear for it.

And, finally, the scope used on the rifles is a SUSAT scope. They're very good, and aren't electronic like the COD-famous ACOG. I heard that the army is starting to use ACOGs some of the time. Suppose it's for when they're needed.

So, what guns do your armies use, people?

Edit: Agreed. G-36s are great. Germans make good stuff.

End of Alpha_003_Snipe's quote

Yeah, IEDs are nasty stuff. My dad's a US Marine who did 2 tours in Iraq. He was in the invasion force, working in a logistics company at the time.

On a side note, I'd REALLY hate to get shot at by a 40K Ork/Ork weapon. Mostly because there's no telling quite what is going to be heading towards you. After all, Ork "snazzguns" incorporate just about ANYTHING, because Orks can make a weapon out of ANYTHING. REALLY. If you tell an Ork that rock shoots bullets, then IT WILL SHOOT BULLETS WHEN USED BY AN ORK.

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Reply #4557 June 4, 2010 6:04 PM from

Sins Forums Top

Actually standard AK-47 (and AK-series weapons in general) assault rifles are VERY reliable. Because they are simple to produce, maintain, and are highly reliable, THAT'S why they are so popular.

However, I'd say that only AK-series weapons from Russia (the country of origin for the weapon) are like that. Anything that's produced as a local copy in very non-industrial areas are almost certainly inferior. The "Yama", if they are using AKs, are probably using either really old rifles or are employing inferior copies.

End of quote

Indeed. I'd like to see a proper Russian AK, especially one of the newest ones. However, when we refer to AKs, we'll usually be talking about the ones seen used the most, which are by the Taliban and other insurgent/terrorist/minor military groups. Does the Russian army use any models of the AK anymore? Anybody?

And ORKZ IZ DA BIGGEST AN DA STRONGEST!

Reply #4558 June 4, 2010 6:15 PM from

GalCiv2 Forums Top

The G-36, now thats an awesome type of weapon

End of quote

I've been shooting with that during my army times. My corpse back then first used some very outdated 7,62 rifle, I think it was the G-2. The damn thing was pretty heavy and you couldn't really shoot with it.... then we got the G-36. what can I say... incredible. I will never forget this, and the power such a weapon can give, esp. when you know you are going to hit without any doubt...

The only downside of the smaller caliber is, when fighting in woods, it may be that bullets are dodged from bigger bushes and such, while the 7,62 cal is more straight forward. But I wouldn't change backwards, no way. One visor of the G-36 enables you to run + aim + shoot at same time, you'll only see a small dot in the middle of your sight - that's where the bullet goes. But if you don't look proper through it the dot will disappear, so that means IF you see an enemy + a dot on top = WIN

honestly I miss these times. tough but nontheless good for that.

Reply #4559 June 4, 2010 6:35 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Alpha_003_Snipe, reply 4555

Yeah, the IL86 and the pic you posted are the L86A1, which is essentially the same gun, but it underwent a major refit because there were quite a few problems. Before we got the A2s we used the cadet-issue A1s. I didn't like them, because they jammed loads.

End of Alpha_003_Snipe's quote

Aaaah I knew that it would be something real, STALKER is just an awesome game

Quoting Alpha_003_Snipe, reply 4555

And, finally, the scope used on the rifles is a SUSAT scope. They're very good, and aren't electronic like the COD-famous ACOG. I heard that the army is starting to use ACOGs some of the time. Suppose it's for when they're needed.

So, what guns do your armies use, people?

End of Alpha_003_Snipe's quote

Oh yeah, the SUSAT scope, damn I forgot In STALKER there are 2 scopes for all weapons in game: SUSAT scope, and NATO scope.

Damn I cant find decent pics on Google....

Anyway, the standard weapon for Greek military is the G3A3, by the German Heckler & Koch.

It originates from Germany, but is built in Greece:

(the 1 above, is the A4, the 1 below is the A3)

Pretty old weapon, but still, very reliable and powerful, even from long range.

It features fully automatic, semi-automatic, and one-by-one, types of firing.

As an LSMG, we use the HK11 (dont know its full name):

They both use 7.62mm standard rounds.

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Reply #4560 June 4, 2010 6:37 PM from

Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Alpha_003_Snipe, reply 4557

Actually standard AK-47 (and AK-series weapons in general) assault rifles are VERY reliable. Because they are simple to produce, maintain, and are highly reliable, THAT'S why they are so popular.

However, I'd say that only AK-series weapons from Russia (the country of origin for the weapon) are like that. Anything that's produced as a local copy in very non-industrial areas are almost certainly inferior. The "Yama", if they are using AKs, are probably using either really old rifles or are employing inferior copies.

Indeed. I'd like to see a proper Russian AK, especially one of the newest ones. However, when we refer to AKs, we'll usually be talking about the ones seen used the most, which are by the Taliban and other insurgent/terrorist/minor military groups. Does the Russian army use any models of the AK anymore? Anybody?

And ORKZ IZ DA BIGGEST AN DA STRONGEST!

End of Alpha_003_Snipe's quote

Right now they use the AK-74M. They're getting ready to phase in either the AEK-971 or some other weapon of similar design. The point however, is that the Russians STILL use weapons that are modeled off of the original AK action.

Though I'd dispute that the Orkz are da biggest an da strongest. Mostly because I don't think the Orks have anything to rival a Hive Fleet.

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Reply #4561 June 4, 2010 6:43 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Whiskey144, reply 4556

Actually standard AK-47 (and AK-series weapons in general) assault rifles are VERY reliable. Because they are simple to produce, maintain, and are highly reliable, THAT'S why they are so popular.

However, I'd say that only AK-series weapons from Russia (the country of origin for the weapon) are like that. Anything that's produced as a local copy in very non-industrial areas are almost certainly inferior. The "Yama", if they are using AKs, are probably using either really old rifles or are employing inferior copies.

End of Whiskey144's quote

I dont know, most of them are salvaged from wars, and then sold to the black market.

But yeah, I guess a new AK-47 would be fairly reliable. However, they are very cheap and easy to produce, and probably thats why there are so many spread around the world.

Quoting Whiskey144, reply 4556

On a side note, I'd REALLY hate to get shot at by a 40K Ork/Ork weapon. Mostly because there's no telling quite what is going to be heading towards you. After all, Ork "snazzguns" incorporate just about ANYTHING, because Orks can make a weapon out of ANYTHING. REALLY. If you tell an Ork that rock shoots bullets, then IT WILL SHOOT BULLETS WHEN USED BY AN ORK.

End of Whiskey144's quote

You do realize that the WH40K Ork guns arent real, right?

Quoting Maiden666, reply 4558

My corpse back then first used some very outdated 7,62 rifle, I think it was the G-2. The damn thing was pretty heavy and you couldn't really shoot with it....

End of Maiden666's quote

Are you talking about the FAMAS?

I havent heard of this G-2

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Reply #4562 June 4, 2010 6:52 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Whiskey144, reply 4560

Right now they use the AK-74M. They're getting ready to phase in either the AEK-971 or some other weapon of similar design. The point however, is that the Russians STILL use weapons that are modeled off of the original AK action.

End of Whiskey144's quote

Is that the Kalasnikoff? (bad spelling, I know) I think it features a compact version of it: The Ak-74U.

Hey guys, what about the M4 Carbine? Pretty nice

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Reply #4563 June 4, 2010 6:55 PM from

Sins Forums Top

the yama use primarily AK-47 rifles. Siberia is in Russia so i don't think there copes, although im not sure if they are new or not.

Reply #4564 June 4, 2010 7:07 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

Barret M-107 FTW!!!!

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Reply #4565 June 4, 2010 7:16 PM from

GalCiv2 Forums Top

Quoting morpheas768, reply 4561

Are you talking about the FAMAS?

End of morpheas768's quote

It was the RAF to be precise...

Quoting morpheas768, reply 4561

I havent heard of this G-2

End of morpheas768's quote

It's actually the same rifle you posted in your later pic (the first). Or something very similar. We never got to know the full names of them, or the fabricate etc.... just MG-2 or P-9. Been 14 years since then...well...

Reply #4566 June 4, 2010 7:25 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Maiden666, reply 4565

It's actually the same rifle you posted in your later pic (the first). Or something very similar. We never got to know the full names of them, or the fabricate etc.... just MG-2 or P-9. Been 14 years since then...well...

End of Maiden666's quote

Similar to the G-3?

LOL, I posted many pics, which one?

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Reply #4567 June 4, 2010 8:01 PM from

GalCiv2 Forums Top

LOL, I posted many pics, which one?

End of quote

ROFL, indeed. The first in Reply #4559.

+2

Reply #4568 June 4, 2010 8:09 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Maiden666, reply 4567

ROFL, indeed. The first in Reply #4559.

End of Maiden666's quote

Ah, this is the G3A3. I guess the G-2 must be its predecessor.

Btw, the G-3 is a weapon that is being used since 1959, if the G-2 is older, then......oh dear

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Reply #4569 June 4, 2010 9:06 PM from

Sins Forums Top

Sigh. I'z doomed to post every 10 pages for all eternity...

Why do you all have these conversations while I am working?

<-------------------------Not as lazy as I would have you believe...

Also...I can't help but start to categorize all the people here into groups within the group.

And finally, I'd like a list of the new posters here since Life_Weaver showed up so I can give thm welcme karma as per my custom

-Twilight Storm | My life for the Dahkri

Reply #4570 June 4, 2010 9:20 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Twilight_Storm, reply 4569

Sigh. I'z doomed to post every 10 pages for all eternity...

Why do you all have these conversations while I am working?

End of Twilight_Storm's quote

PWNED??

Quoting Twilight_Storm, reply 4569

And finally, I'd like a list of the new posters here since Life_Weaver showed up so I can give thm welcme karma as per my custom

End of Twilight_Storm's quote

New guys, are:

Maiden666: He's been quite a few days on the Chatroom, but still pretty new.

life_weaver: I think you already welcomed him.

Azreal: Skidi's friend (well sort of)

arcticthunder: Also Skidi's friend.

I wish there was a list of all the members of the Chatroom in the OP.....

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Reply #4571 June 4, 2010 9:37 PM from

Sins Forums Top

lolz. Yeah, me too, but that's veers' department...and somethin tells me...he won't cooperate.

-Twilight Storm

Reply #4572 June 4, 2010 9:41 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Twilight_Storm, reply 4571

lolz. Yeah, me too, but that's veers' department...and somethin tells me...he won't cooperate.

-Twilight Storm

End of Twilight_Storm's quote

Whaaaaaaaaaat? Veers is the most cooperative and helpful person I know!

He's always like "please" and "thank you", and he always, always helps anyone who needs any kind of assistance.

I'm telling you, Veers is a saint!

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Reply #4573 June 4, 2010 9:52 PM from

Stardock Forums Top

Quoting morpheas768, reply 4572

Quoting Twilight_Storm,
reply 4571
lolz. Yeah, me too, but that's veers' department...and somethin tells me...he won't cooperate.

-Twilight Storm

Whaaaaaaaaaat? Veers is the most cooperative and helpful person I know!

He's always like "please" and "thank you", and he always, always helps anyone who needs any kind of assistance.

I'm telling you, Veers is a saint!

"Mr Anderson, welcome back....we missed you...."

End of morpheas768's quote

Your heresy shocks me. You must be purged. By the Adepta Sororitas, Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus of the Emperor's Holy Inquisition and the Ecclesiarchy no less.

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Reply #4574 June 4, 2010 10:16 PM from

Sins Forums Top

I'm back.

(insert phrase that is the opposite of "hoo-ray" and put it at the bottom of your posts)

Xer0 \^/

Reply #4575 June 4, 2010 10:16 PM from

Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Whiskey144, reply 4573

Your heresy shocks me. You must be purged. By the Adepta Sororitas, Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus of the Emperor's Holy Inquisition and the Ecclesiarchy no less.

End of Whiskey144's quote

LOL

Is that because of my slight trolling on Veers? Or is it because you detected my irony?

Quoting Xer07, reply 4574

I'm back.

(insert phrase that is the opposite of "hoo-ray" and put it at the bottom of your posts)

Xer0 \^/

End of Xer07's quote

Ok.

God dammit

Is that good?

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