Thanks Neil and good luck also...

Oh and good morning.

Just because I've been a member of this site for less than 6 months, does that change anything? I am actually a current customer -- I bought OD+ 3 & 1/2 years ago, in the summer of 2006. And I seriously doubt that you expect me to praise and worship a piece of software that has so many incompatibility issues and bugs.

I stand corrected.

As I stated previously in this thread: I simply stating that ObjectDock does not give ME any problems. Would I like a working Start menu launcher and system tray? Yes, of course I would. Is it perfect? No, it is not.

Really, I guess I'm trying to be fair as the haters are speaking so loudly, I'm simply stating that not everyone has issues with OD+! I'm not trying to debate you. I'm simply stating my experience. Hopefully this time you can understand that.

I am NOT supporting the lack of anything here. Wake up, people! I said I'd like my start menu and sys tray! Okay! There you have it, now I have hated on OD too. Now that that's over...

Software that ties itself into the core of the system is not like regular software, so to compare OD+ to "other software products (that) work" is not fair.

Those who are expressing their dislike for ObjectDock Plus' issues and/or bugs have a right to do so. But I also have a right to express that it works fine for me. It works both ways. Nobody is worshipping anything or anyone. Get over it.

Thanks for jumping in and not just leaving me stranded here, Shelby!

Neil, thanks for trying to help. It would be great if the deleted beta which actually supported 64-bit OS' could be put on Impulse again! Maybe Jeff 'ol boy wouldn't mind popping his head in here...

...But he'd have to try to avoid all the poo slingin'!

Mirsguy, Shelby didn't really sound like he was addressing anything relevant except just being happy and that things are supposedly more compatible with Win7 over Vista, though I'm pretty sure they're equal in compatibility ability, minus paying for an XP virtual machine or however they've implemented the XP compatibility =P.  Of course 32 bit win7 is going to be compatible with 1.9, as it's just about compatible with everything vista works with.. since win7 is just the best Vista Service Pack.

I understand program compatibility requires various memory addressing issues to be dealt with and other subtle changes between 32-bit to 64-bit and I wasn't comparing it to other software moreso pointing out that even though the incompatibility was known, it's not explicitly pointed out.  Plus it's already been tended to, I just want my pretty and functional system tray back.

I'd be happy if I'd wanted it for just multi-docks or tabbed docks, but I use neither, hence grumpy =p. Dunno Mirsguy, why do you feel like we're being haters on the product when we have legit complaints? You're hating on people having legit problems with software, even though you agree with the problems.  Do I have to sugarcoat with the fact that I show off the program because of its flashiness, I paid for it because of its style and it's not hating if I'm not doing it for no reason.  Get your lingo straight =P.  And we're not even hating on the software we're going off on the fact that the working link is missing.  lol.  You're picking on people and I feel like you're demonzing us for no reason other than to protect an already super respected and amazing company x.x.

Asledge, you need to read my posts again. How many times have I said I'm not trying to debate anyone? I'm not trying to hate on anyone either.

No, I'm trying to be tolerant of others issues. Others are being intolerant of my lack of issues.

I simply said it works for me. I also acknowledge others problems.

The "hating" comment was directed more at those who bombard every OD thread they can with the same complaints. For those who do so, maybe try contacting Stardock Support directly, instead of putting out in front of everybody, over and over again for months.

I do think SD should address the 64 bit issues. I think it's been too long. But I can't stand it when some completely berate the program and the company when it is a good working program. Because of unique uses and needs, it may work better or worse for different people. But strip all that away, it works.

However, I'm convinced that you all won't agree with me. Like I said before, I'm simply trying to balance out the complaints. Many have complained and accused SD of selling a program that doesn't work or has lots of bugs. Well, that's not my experience. And I should not have to try to reproduce every cotton-pickin' thing someone else does. My experience is a good one. Others don't have as good of an experience. I'm okay with that.

If someone can complain, why can't I state my good experience without the complainers thinking I'm a SD fanboy or a hater?

Oh, and Shelby? I thought the OP was about better functionality with W7. Shelby commented on his good functionality. Sounds relevant to me.

And I've got my lingo straight. I don't mince my words nor do I choose them arbitrarily.

I suggest we all drop this issue now. Nothing constructive has come from it. I'm done commenting on these types of things.

You all have fun complaining now, 'ya hear!

Which is why I'm backing out. Pointless debate.

Well alright. All I disagreed with was the fact that it seemed that you weren't targetting your dopples that post just to put down the software and was less tolerate to your position when there are other people doing the same in the opposite way =P.  I'll respect what you do ;].

And since you never really addressd me directly as being a bad guy I'm sorry I did just that to you.

I also think it's funny that someone asked "You can't reproduce the bugs???" Why would you want to do that?  Personally I have to deal with the skype bug... and I deal with that one by avoiding it entirely, it's a minor inconvenience but my experience on the whole is a good one... .  I'll still use it for stylishly displaying icons on my desktop though... just not to replace my taskbar since as is, it'd slow my computer productivity to do so... o.x;

Thanks Neil for trying to get it done. I'm rooting for ya. A lot <3

I'm kinda curious about what the OP means by it works sort of, when in my experience it functions exacty the same as it does for the corresponding 32/64 bit vista, and in the try version you can't even tell the difference...

and I'll part with an farewell to my previous vista pretending to be 7 dock display...

Asledge, you're a good guy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your 3 tray docks; are those the Vienna 3 Rapture Glass docks I made?

I was the one suggesting that Mirsguy should try to reproduce the bugs. The whole point of trying to reproduce a bug is to see what your experience is when following those procedures. When I submit a bug report to a developer, I include the steps I took to elicit incorrect behaviour. This is so a developer can take those same steps and trace the code flow from one stage to another to narrow down the part that's causing a problem.

You know I'm a skinner, not a developer, right?

I've been using Object Dock since 2005 and I LOVE IT! That's all I'll say.

Object dock works fine on my Win 7 machine.  I have no bugs to complain about

My simple point is " Are you running Windows 7 correctly? I see a lot of installs that are wrong. "

inc0gnito, can you give us the info about this bug here again... seems I missed that or other?

Mirsguy, as I said my point is " Is Windows 7 installed correctly for it to have compatibilty? " Also " yes it is pointless to try to respond to people who are always right about how they think. " But trying to get things straight before I try to understand the problem at hand is a start.

Oh and one more thing about the 64 bit OS. Windows 7 is a good 64 bit OS. But incomplete in some ways... this is a touchy subject also being everyone wanted a good 64 bit system from Windows 7. To say the least it is that; but it is also 32 bit ready. Thus not truly designed with 64 bit in mind. That is the trouble with any OS trying to do what others have yet designed it for. If it was 64 bit complete, then there would be no 32 bit conversion added to it for a 32 bit program to run with. I see dev's that are trying to do the right things with 64 bit. But why do it right? When you can simply do it to work either or [ 64 or 32 ]. Thus we do not have true 64 bit ready software. Only 64 bit compatible software. Or for that matter the OS itself. So why make it 64 bit ready?

Here is another one for you or whoever it may apply too.  There has even been some rumors about 128 bit functionalty for Windows 8. Why would MS or for that matter anyone be considering this type of a system unless they where going to use it for graphics and/or gaming only? Truely I do not want to discuss this; because people see it wrong. But it may happen to where they do this with Windows 8 for those reasons. Sad because I was counting on Windows 8 being just that as it was said to be back in 2008. The only true 64 bit OS made by MS. Thus with this and even a 32 bit functionalty; it would not be that. Might as well just stay with Windows 7 and call it good. Or wait till hell freeze's over for some of these people to get it right and say good bye to 32 bit completely. I would... But are these people just going to figure what they think is a money maker again and to heck with a real ready design. Maybe you see my idea or point here.

As for OD and it's developments? It is in a simular fashion. There are things that could make it better. But for who? What OS and for what is it we need to change? Somethings fail to work not because of the program itself. But because of other sources of functionalty involved with the program and what you can do with it. That and a problem with making it as with these OS's that are 64 bit compatible and 32 bit ready.[for that matter visa versa] Well some say that is simple and make it so. Others do not! Point here is not saying OD is [or was] compatible completely with a 32 bit OS. But that it has had to change where it would be compatible with both 32 and 64 bit OS. Along with that of XP, Vista and now Windows 7... Next 8 - like wow! You yourself being a dev. " What do you do and when? "

OK enough said for the subject; but when we see where things are really going with a final light at the end of the tunnel. Then there is a true idea for a proper design. Cause it would be another brush after the next OS comes in and puts more dust on the table. Sort of like what happened to the sidebar from Vista. Now all you get are the gadgets - no bar in Windows 7. That is simular to ordering a drink while standing up and not sitting down at a table or a bar. Again no one is truly happy - sitting or standing.

So with that I'm saying I'm going to run away from this subjects and how it needs to be thought of. Oh and ya I'm wrong about all of this being there is others with their own idea anything is possible. It may be? But at who's expense? I kind of like that one... is it worth it or what?

I leave with one more question... "What would you do to make OD what everyone has a need for and wants for it"?

Er...one drink too far? ....;)

/me scratches head....;)

It's more than just one. Look at all the bug reports that have been posted here: https://forums.stardock.com/357439

Actually too many too far all together so. But I see it again here in another thread where things do not work for said program in 64 bit win7 for sound packager. But it does if it [that being the OS] is installed correctly and setup likewise. Having compatible OS 64 bit or otherwise has to be done correctly or these results happen.

I think that word needs to be changed as for being compatible or the so called ready also. Seems people are all confused with what is and what is not.

Ok and another thing that is in there with all of that is the thing we see as a BUG!

Sure there are bugs... but where is it and why does it have to be in just the program not being compatible? Why is it that only a few have this problem?

Let me see here was there any support case's filed with these bug reports? If so what was the out come? I'm really amazed that such problems where not taken to the proper level to be seen. Other than just that of posting in the forums? Why?

I see several things in your bug reports here inc0gnito that are mainly problem other than the actual program. Plus other than your demands to have it fixed is there any mention of ask for support to do any proper work to actually resolve the problem with either or [ the program or maybe something wrong with your system ]

Sorry but I look at things from a different perspective as such. It would make better sense to have consulted with support with such things happening. Or is it another thought in mind for this being said and written into forums this way about the program itself?   Please try to explain this first and then I may go into some better subjects concerning this whole thing.

Yes, support cases have been filed for some of them. Some I was told were known bugs to them. Some I was told were added to list of issues that would be looked that. No updated builds have been released to incorporate those bug fixes. You're free to make your own conclusions.

As for whether the bugs that I mentioned are problems with the actual program, I think that they are. The hibernation issue certainly is, incorrect display of context meny from systray is, Skype focus error is, no doubt about the Start menu, WLM issues are, systray hover-over problem is, Recycle Bin are most definitely. Jeff B (Stardock's Chief Architect) said that he likes these kinds of bugs threads. He said that apparently lots of work was done by beginning of July, yet 5 months later we're none the wiser and none the better.

Let me review this better today and I'll post again this evening.

I've been using OD+ on XP, Vista and now W7.  I have experienced no problems with it.  Sorry for those that have problems.

my object dock doesn't work well after i installed win7 in upgrade of vista .. as i can't drag any file and folder into it .. any solution overseas guys ?? thanks 

wtf does mirsguy have to do with object dock bugs?? lol hes just a skinner, not the creator of the program...you should be sending an email to stardock support if you have issues. and or check yr pc.

Neither the start menu or systray is working for me in Win 7 x64, but all the other functions/features of OD are working well for me and those things are not such a big issue for me.  I didn't really use those features that much before anyhow, but a fix would be nice to add those options for if and when needed.