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Hey everyone its that time again, lets compile some data!

This is a post that I will update regularly to give the DEVS a better idea of what people think should be done to stats in the next patch. This is ONLY for patches, no new ships or elaborate concepts for the next expansion. This is for dealing with peoples’ concerns about balance. If there’s a balance idea you have that’s not on here, post it and I’ll put it up for voting if it seems valid. I love the fact that ICO pays attention to the forums and what people suggest, I’d like to make it easier for them. The idea is to have all ideas posted straight forward and ranked so the DEVS don’t have to sift through pages and pages to find popular ideas. SP and MP players are both welcome to comment. Post yay or nay for any idea you like or dislike (be specific please) or say no fix needed. If you’d like I’ll also insert specific values you may come up with. Some votes will be taken from other threads.

BUGS

Since the last patches release, the main complaint I've seen on the forums are in the form of bugs, so I'm compiling a list of the known ones, and will update the list as more are discovered. Some of the early bugs were fixed in the hotfix, and perhaps (fingers crossed) the Devs will release another hotfix to address the rest, rather than a whole new patch. So here it goes:

- Nano Weapons Jammer autocast AI casts continuously

- AM Recharger autocast AI casts continuously

- Illuminator causes mystery damage between shots

- Phasic Trap research Level 2 still has no effect.

- Orkulus Phase Stabilizer does not work on stars.

- Random Map Bugs:

              - Single Phase lane starts

              - No connected Asteroids

              - Overlapping Gravity Wells

- Backwards Dunov Icon

- Pathing Improvements (specifically dealing with stationary obstacles)

- Orkulus commands cancelled when trade ships dock

- No wave cannon sounds on Kortul

- Resource extractors on HWs produce income before they're constructed.

- PAWELOS BUG HUNTING

- Siege Militia/pirates run from turrets before construction is complete (exploit).

 

CAPITAL SHIPS

This will be a large section that will continue to evolve through out the life of this thread so check back often for new topics. Consensus seems to think now that carrier caps have all been buffed, many of the other caps need to be brought up to par with them.

Buff Battleship Class(Kol/Radiance/Kortul)

                          Increase hp/shields/armor?-

                                     Yay-           Volt_Cruelerz(20-25%)  Darvin3                Deceiver_0
                                                      CallenExile               MindsEye                 Swordsalmon
                                                      Hrabandur                CrazyElectron           Ryat
                                                      Arthanis                   Warlord Mike           Onigiri

                                     Nay-

                          Increase DPS?-

                                     Yay-           Volt_Cruelerz(20-25%)  Darvin3                Deceiver_0
                                                      MindsEye                 Swordsalmon           CallenExile
                                                      Hrabandur               CrazyElectron           Ryat
                                                       Arthanis                 Warlord Mike

                                     Nay-           Onigiri

                          Buff Gauss Rail Gun?-

                                     Yay-           Volt_Cruelerz(800/1200/1600)  Darvin3       Deceiver_0
                                                      CallenExile              MindsEye                  Swordsalmon
                                                      CrazyElectron           Ryat                        Arthanis
                                                      Warlord Mike

                                     Nay-            Hrabandur              Onigiri

                          Re-work Animosity?

                                     Yay-           Volt_Cruelerz           Darvin3                   Deceiver_0
                                                      MindsEye                Swordsalmon            Ryat
                                                      Arthanis                 Warlord Mike

                                     Nay-           CallenExile              Hrabandur               Onigiri

         No Change needed-                    CoBBQ

Colonizer Caps(Akkan/Progenitor/Jarrasul)

                        Buff Jarrasul Evacuator's colonize?

                                    Yay-            Darvin3               Volt_Cruelerz              Deceiver_0
                                                      Swordsalmon       Agent of Kharma           Hrabandur
                                                      Ryat                   Arthanis                     Warlord Mike
                                                      Onigiri 

                                    Nay-            CallenExile           MindsEye

        No Change needed-

Carrier Class Caps(Sova/Halcyon/Skirantra)

                       Buff Scramble Bombers?

                                  Yay-              Darvin3              Volt_Cruelerz               Deceiver_0
                                                      MindsEye            Swordsalmon               Agent of Kharma
                                                      Hrabandur          Ryat                           Arthanis
                                                      Warlord Mike 

                                  Nay-              CallenExile         Onigiri

                      Buff Replicate Forces?

                                  Yay-               Arthanis            Warlord Mike                 Onigiri

                                  Nay-

        No Change needed-

Buff Support Class Caps(Dunov/Antorak/Rapture/Revelation)

                      Increase AM regen?

                                 Yay-               Darvin3               Hrabandur               CrazyElectron
                                                      Ryat                   Juletron                  Arthanis
                                                      Warlord Mike        Swordsalmon

                                 Nay-               CallenExile           Mindseye                 Onigiri

                     Increase maximum AM?

                                 Yay-               CallenExile          Darvin3                    Hrabandur
                                                      Mindseye            Volt_Cruelerz             CrazyElectron
                                                      Juletron              Arthanis                   Warlord Mike

                                 Nay-               Ryat                  Swordsalmon            Onigiri

                     Increase Dunov EMP range?

                                 Yay-               CallenExile          Mindseye                  Volt_Cruelerz
                                                      CrazyElectron      Ryat                        Juletron
                                                      Arthanis             Warlord Mike             Swordsalmon

                                 Nay-               Hrabandur          Onigiri

                     Allow Dunov shield restore to be self targetable?

                                Yay-                Mindseye           CrazyElectron             Juletron
                                                      Arthanis            Deceiver_0

                                Nay-                Ryat                 Volt_Cruelerz            Warlord Mike
                                                      Swordsalmon      Onigiri

                     Allow Antoraks subversion to effect SC?

                               Yay-                 Mindseye           Juletron                    Volt_Cruelerz
                                                      Arthanis            Warlord Mike             Onigiri

                               Nay-                 Ryat                Swordsalmon

                     Buff Phase out hull?

                               Yay-                 Mindseye            Juletron                   Volt_Cruelerz
                                                      Arthanis             Warlord Mike            Swordsalmon
                                                       

                               Nay-                 Ryat                 Onigiri

         No Change Needed-

 

 

DELIVERANCE ENGINE

Without a doubt the weakest of the superweapons, there is little point in seeking it. For too long its been sitting in a dusty box on the shelf, to weak to be worth its tremendous costs. Lets consider some buffs to at least make it functional as a weapon. The one buff thats been suggested that I like is an instant allegiance drop, which will aid Advent in cultural takeovers of border planets and with enough, could possibly overthrow an enemy planet (though Id say it should require many more than the fearsome novalith)

Buff Deliverance engine-

                         Cause an instant decrease in allegiance?

                                    Yay-           Deceiver_0                Kitkun                    Greyfox2
                                                     anteachtaire              Mow Mow                Warlord Mike
                                                     Hrabandur                 Arthanis

                                    Nay-           Howdidudothat

No buff needed-                                Qu4r                        Darvin3                  CallenExile        

 

 

EMPIRE TREE

As I feel that the devs decision to put "Phase Jumping" ships at the top of the tree was purposeful and not a bug, I think most of us agree that the constant movement it creates (especially with phase monitoring!) makes the empire tree difficult to use. Move it to the bottom?

Adjust Empire Tree-

                         Move "Phase Jumping Ships" to the bottom of the tree?

                                    Yay-           Deceiver_0               Darvin3                  SwordSalmon
                                                     JSW_Ballz                Mindseye                Agent of Kharma
                                                     Ryat                        52500                    Mow Mow
                                                     Fuzzy Logic              EadTaes                 Warlord Mike
                                                     Hrabandur               Howdidudothat        -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician        Arthanis

                                    Nay-           CallenExile

 

FIGHTERS

Some are unsatisfied with fighters with regards to surviving flak. I urge everyone to read the points of debate between Mindseye and myself starting on page 10-11, to get a better understanding of why fighters should or should not be adjusted. Below are a few suggestions

Buff Fighters-

                        Increase armor/hp?

                                  Yay-             Mindseye                 Mow Mow                Greyfox2
                                                     Qu4r                       Arthanis          

                                  Nay-             Deceiver_0               Darvin3                  Ryat
                                                     Top Vasari               Warlord Mike           EadTaes
                                                     Hrabandur                Howdidudothat        -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician       Agent of Kharma      CallenExile
                                                     CrazyElectron 

MAPS

Raging Amish has proposed some modest changes to maps that I think we could possibly have implemented with enough support, so lets get a vote to see what people think of them. Magnetic clouds are huge wastes of space as their is nothing terribly beneficial about them. People with ability heavy fleets and caps would opt to fight you somewhere else (and can do so without much penalty). They make awful chokepoints because you can't put starbases or mines there, and they offer no economic value. I'd like to hear some ideas on how to improve them (beyond removing them completely from the game as RA has suggested). If we can come up with some good ones I'll put them up for a vote. In the meantime, I think one should at least be able to construct Starbases here, so I'll put that up as a topic. Also, all too often we see Ice and Volcanic planets  (which require research to colonize) offering you only 2 resource mines for the trouble of colonizing them. Personally I don't think that PLANETS should have less resources to offer than an asteroid. What do you think?

Magnetic Clouds-

                          Allow starbase deployment?

                                    Yay-            Deceiver_0              Darvin3                  Hrabandur
                                                      Juletron                  Howdidudothat         Warlord Mike
                                                      DirtySanchezz          Kitkun                    Qu4r
                                                      CrazyElectron

                                    Nay-            Ryat                       CallenExile              EadTaes
                                                      DesConnor              -Ue_Carbon             Chaotic Magician

Ice/Volcanic planets-

                          Change minimum mines to 3 (currently 2)?

                                   Yay-             Deceiver_0              Swordsalmon           Ryat
                                                      Darvin3                   Juletron                  Mindseye
                                                      Mow Mow                 EadTaes                 JSW_Ballz
                                                      Howdidudothat         Warlord Mike          Kitkun
                                                      Ovi_187                  -Ue_Carbon            Chaotic Magician
                                                      CrazyElectron 

                                   Nay-             CallenExile              DesConnor              DirtySanchezz
                                                      Hrabandur               Agent of Kharma      Qu4r

No Changes needed-

 

 

 

ORKULUS STARBASE

This topic is going to be heavy on the debate, and will likely be updated several times with NEW votable options throughout the life of this thread. Now, I think it's safe to say that we're beyond the point of the DEVS making a Vasari Assault cruiser and making the Orky stationary. So if thats what you think should happen thats fine, but it would be more useful for everyone if you hada second opinion on the Orky and voted on the issues below.

Nerf Orkulus-

                           Increase build penalty in hostile wells? (currently 2.25x unupgraded)

                                     Yay-          Greyfox2                   Raging Amish(3x)   Mindseye
                                                     Arthanis 

                                     Nay-          Deceiver_0                 Cykur                    Howdidudothat
                                                     Top Vasari                  Swordsalmon         Ryat
                                                     anteachtaire               LordMechanoid       JSW_Ballz
                                                     Warlord Mike              Agent of Kharma    DesConnor
                                                     DirtySanchezz             Kitkun                   Qu4r
                                                     52500                        Hrabandur            -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Chaotic Magician         Qu4r                    CallenExile
                                                    

Other-

                           SB constructors trigger phase monitoring alarm? ("Hostile forces are inbound")

                                    Yay-          Mindseye                    Deceiver_0            Howdidudothat
                                                    Top Vasari                   Cykur                   LordMechanoid
                                                    Warlord Mike               DirtySanchezz        Kitkun
                                                    52500                         Hrabandur            -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Chaotic Magician           CallenExile           CrazyElectron
                                                    Arthanis 

                                    Nay-          JSW_Ballz                   DesConnor           Qu4r

 

 

SCOUT FRIGATES

A hotly debated topic right now on the forums, none can deny their increased presence on the MP battlefield. As the cheapest buildable unit in the game, as well as being tier 0, its utility against long ranged frigates has been thoroughly exploited. The question remains, is it balanced? This topic will be split into two sections, a general section for a blanket nerf and a more specific section for interspecies balance. The reason for this is that some think scouts need to be weaker in general, whike other think they need to be balanced on par wtih TEC scouts.

Nerf Scouts-

                          Decrease hp/shields?

                                     Yay-

                                     Nay-          DirtySanchezz            Cykur                Arthanis

                          Decrease DPS?

                                     Yay-          DirtySanchezz            Greyfox2           Mindseye
                                                     Arthanis 

                                     Nay-          Cykur

                          Increase Cost/supply?

                                     Yay-         Mindseye                   Cykur                 Swordsalmon

                                     Nay-         DirtySanchezz             Arthanis

No Nerf Needed-                              Deceiver_0                 Wingflier            Howdidudothat
                                                     Darvin3                      Ryat                 CallenExile
                                                     Chaotic Magician        Agent of Kharma  Sivcorp
                                                     52500                       JSW_Ballz           LordMechanoid
                                                     Kitkun                       Hrabandur          -Ue_Carbon
                                                     Qu4r                        CrazyElectron

Balance Scouts-

                          Decrease Seeker Vessels Hp/shields/armor?

                                     Yay-         Deceiver_0                 Wingflier             Mow Mow
                                                    Swordsalmon              Darvin3               Ryat
                                                    Greyfox2                    52500                 JSW_Ballz
                                                    Cykur                        Top Vasari           LordMechanoid
                                                    Kitkun                        Hrabandur          -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Qu4r                          CrazyElectron       Arthanis

                                     Nay-         DirtySanchezz            Howdidudothat      CallenExile
                                                   

                          Decrease Seeker Vessels DPS?

                                     Yay-         Swordsalmon              DirtySanchezz      Howdidudothat
                                                     Greyfox2                   Hrabandur          Qu4r 

                                     Nay-         Wingflier                    Darvin3               Ryat
                                                     CallenExile                52500                 JSW_Ballz
                                                     Cykur                       LordMechanoid     Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon                 CrazyElectron       Arthanis

                          Decrease Jikara Navigator cost/supply?

                                     Yay-         Deceiver_0                 Wingflier              Howdidudothat
                                                    CallenExile                 52500                  LordMechanoid
                                                    Hrabandur                  Qu4r 

                                     Nay-         Swordsalmon              DirtySanchezz       Darvin3
                                                    Ryat                          Chaotic Magician   JSW_Ballz
                                                    Cykur                        Greyfox2             Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon                CrazyElectron        Arthanis

                          Increase Jikara Navigator DPS?

                                     Yay-         Mow Mow                   Swordsalmon         Howdidudothat
                                                    Ryat                         Chaotic Magician     52500
                                                    JSW_Ballz                  Hrabandur            -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Qu4r                         CrazyElectron        Arthanis

                                     Nay-         Wingflier                   DirtySanchezz        Darvin3
                                                    CallenExile                Cykur                   Greyfox2
                                                    LordMechanoid           Kitkun   

                          Increase Jikara Navigator hp/shields?

                                     Yay-         Mow Mow                  Darvin3                  Ryat
                                                    Chaotic Magician         Sivcorp                   Top Vasari
                                                    Kitkun                      Hrabandur              -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Qu4r                        CrazyElectron           Arthanis

                                     Nay-         CallenExile               JSW_Ballz               Cykur
                                                    LordMechanoid

No Balance Needed-                         Agent of Kharma      EadTaes                 DesConnor

 

 

RAVASTRA SKIRMISHERS

While the most expensive light frigate in both resources and supply, these ships have the worst DPS per supply. With the recent buff to all light frigs, Cobalts and Disciples are now delivering on the tasks they're meant to, yet skirmishers are still struggling. So what should be done?

Buff Skirmishers-

                            Increase DPS?
                                        
                                      Yay-        Deceiver_0                Darvin3               52500 
                                                    Cykur                       Chaotic Magician   Top Vasari
                                                    Howdidudothat           Wingflier              Swordsalmon
                                                    Juletron                     Ryat                   Sivcorp
                                                    DirtySanchezz             GreyFox2            Raging Amish
                                                    CallenExile                 Mindseye            JSW_Ballz
                                                    Warlord Mike              lbgsloan             Mow Mow
                                                    EadTaes                    DesConnor          Kitkun
                                                    Agent of Kharma        Hrabandur           -Ue_Carbon
                                                    Qu4r                       CrazyElectron        Arthanis

                                      Nay-        LordMechanoid

                            Decrease Supply cost?

                                      Yay-        Raging Amish           LordMechanoid      Hrabandur
                                                    Qu4r    

                                      Nay-        Deceiver_0                Darvin3               52500
                                                    Cykur                       Chaotic Magician   Top Vasari
                                                    Howdidudothat           Wingflier             Swordsalmon
                                                    Juletron                    Ryat                    CallenExile                
                                                    Mindseye                  JSW_Ballz            Warlord Mike
                                                    lbgsloan                   Mow Mow              Kitkun
                                                    -Ue_Carbon               CrazyElectron        Arthanis

                            Decrease Resource cost?

                                      Yay-        52500                       Warlord Mike

                                      Nay-        Darvin3                     Cykur                Chaotic Magician  
                                                    Top Vasari                 Howdidudothat    Wingflier
                                                    Swordsalmon             Juletron              Ryat
                                                    DirtySanchezz             Raging Amish     CallenExile
                                                    Mindseye                   JSW_Ballz           LordMechanoid
                                                    lbgsloan                    Kitkun                Hrabandur
                                                    -Ue_Carbon               Qu4r                   Arthanis

                            Adjust Reintegration autocast AI to activate earlier?

                                      Yay-        Deceiver_0               Darvin3               52500
                                                    Chaotic Magician       Top Vasari           Howdidudothat          
                                                    Wingflier                  Swordsalmon       Juletron
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Reply #326 from Sins Forums Top

Deliverance Engine?  No change needed, it's fine.

Reply #327 from Sins Forums Top

Engine needs overhaul

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Reply #328 from Sins Forums Top

Yay

 

:fox:

Reply #329 from Sins Forums Top

I will say yay to the deliverance engine allegiance hit.

 

[_]-Greyfox

Reply #330 from Sins Forums Top

Deliv. Engine = BUFF ME!!!! I vote yay.

Reply #331 from Sins Forums Top

Deliverance engine does not need a buff.  It is absolutely perfect as it is.  Seriously, guys.  It is broadcasting your culture remotely.  It shouldn't be able to do that faster from farther away, that just makes no sense.

To be clear:

NO BUFF NEEDED!!!!

:ninja:-Exile

Reply #332 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting ovi_187, reply 315

one last thing, does the pirate cobalt have AM using abilities?? if not why does it have a antimatter pool??

Yes.  It is an ability that steals credits from your empire.  Mind control one with the advent Cap that does this(Forget which) and you'll see.

:ninja:-Exile

Reply #333 from Sins Forums Top

Callen, yes it does broadcast remotely, but consider its usefulness when compared to the other superweapons, 5 kosturas can obliterate most fleets, and can allow you to jump a fleet or starbase anywhere, 2 novas can take out a hw, 1 for any upgraded planet. So where does that leave the DE? You can spread a bit of culture remotely, which will eventually be overcome if the enemy has culture centers. Big f-ing woop. Whne compared to travel , fleet destruction and planet destruction, it really really sucks.

Reply #334 from Sins Forums Top

Yay to the Deliverance Engine buff

 

Maybe even an instant debuff to enemy ship damage for X seconds while you're at it.

Reply #335 from Sins Forums Top

It's not a combat weapon, it's espionage.  Kill your enemy's econ from behind enemy lines.  It's duration cancels out the need for direct alliegience drop.  If you add this, people could scatter steal planets, build a culture center here and there, then hit everything in between, owned or not, with deliverance and steal 50% of owned planets minimum with almost no work at all, and no defense.  Tha makes it far MORE powerful than th other two.  And more useful, as it gives you a boost to your own culture spread if used properly.

:ninja:-Exile

Reply #336 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting CallenExile, reply 335
It's not a combat weapon, it's espionage.  Kill your enemy's econ from behind enemy lines.  It's duration cancels out the need for direct alliegience drop.  If you add this, people could scatter steal planets, build a culture center here and there, then hit everything in between, owned or not, with deliverance and steal 50% of owned planets minimum with almost no work at all, and no defense.  Tha makes it far MORE powerful than th other two.  And more useful, as it gives you a boost to your own culture spread if used properly.

I don't know what game you're playing, Exile.  I have used multiple simultaneous deliverance strikes, and had them used against me.  If you have your own culture pumping, it does nothing.  You won't see any alliegence drops.  Tier 2 or 3 culture centers totally cancel out tier "whatever" deliverence engine, which took you God knows how many credits to get.  And it isn't going to affect anyone's eco, because late game eco comes from trade ports, not from allegience.

I'm not voting on the issue, because I don't know what the best solution is.  But I do think the deliverence engine sucks.

EDIT: I'd prefer to see the poll question worded as "deliverence engine sucks" or "do something about deliverence engine."

Reply #337 from Sins Forums Top

I thought that the devs modified the Deliverance Engine so that it increased the damage output of your fleet, in addition to any cultural effects?

Reply #338 from Sins Forums Top

That it does, Chaotic. :)

I wouldn't mind the instant Allegiance drop, myself.  So, sure, why not? :grin:

Reply #339 from Sins Forums Top

I thought that the devs modified the Deliverance Engine so that it increased the damage output of your fleet, in addition to any cultural effects?

So you are saying it was buffed sometime semi-recently?  Then I suppose that needs to be taken into account before asking for changes....

Reply #340 from Sins Forums Top

It does boost damage to those in system when it hits.  It gives 15% in vanilla and 25%(i think) in entrenchment.  It is a fleet buff cannon at present and is able to fire at friendly worlds unlike the other 2 cannons.  No one ever uses it in multiplayer.  The culture part while useful for giving culture fleet benefits is not useful outside of that.  You can't turn a planet with it unless you have an hour to repeatedly hit a planet with it because allegiance goes so slow.  An allegiance hit does not need to be big with it but noticeable.

[_]-Greyfox

Reply #341 from Sins Forums Top

It does boost damage to those in system when it hits. It gives 15% in vanilla and 25%(i think) in entrenchment. It is a fleet buff cannon at present and is able to fire at friendly worlds unlike the other 2 cannons.

Well that actually sounds pretty good as is, then.

Reply #342 from Sins Forums Top

Might be good if it wasn't considered a super weapon. Tier 8. Plus the effect does not stack as far as i know. So would you rather be able to 1. Destroy an enemy fleet anywhere anytime, or be able to jump anywhere anytime, 2. Destroy any enemy planet or 3. Give your fleet a 25% damage buff in 1 system. DE just doesn't hold the kind of power the other superweapons have and is not worth the cost to get it. I agree with Grey in that, if it did maybe a 5-10% hit to allegiance, you could use them to speed up cultural domination of planets already under the influence of your culture, and have a head start on spreading that culture to worlds behind the frontlines.

Reply #343 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting CallenExile, reply 335
It's not a combat weapon, it's espionage.  Kill your enemy's econ from behind enemy lines.  It's duration cancels out the need for direct alliegience drop.  If you add this, people could scatter steal planets, build a culture center here and there, then hit everything in between, owned or not, with deliverance and steal 50% of owned planets minimum with almost no work at all, and no defense.  Tha makes it far MORE powerful than th other two.  And more useful, as it gives you a boost to your own culture spread if used properly.

-Exile

please tell us how you managed to use the deliverance engine to spy on a planet or even wreck someone's economy....

the above 2 situation might be possible if the culture spread rate stacked, but it doesnt.

 

deceiver.....for DE, i think a better option would be doubling the culture spread rate and making it stackable up to 5 times.

 

Reply #344 from Sins Forums Top

please tell us how you managed to use the deliverance engine to spy on a planet or even wreck someone's economy

There is a research that lets you see planets with your culture. and the resource and credit drop from losing culture could tip the scales in for favor in a battle of attrition.

Reply #345 from Sins Forums Top

There is a research that lets you see planets with your culture. and the resource and credit drop from losing culture could tip the scales in for favor in a battle of attrition.

Yes there is a research that allows you to see planets under your culture. But there is also a Cap ship ability called Clairvoyance that does just that and is much much less costly to acquire. The loss of credits due to culture spread is negligible since it has no major effect on allegiance, and any effect it does have is likely to be no more than 1% of a small number anyway, hardly enough to tip the scales in a battle of attrition. On the other hand, losing ones HW IS a significant loss of income, and can be done with 2 Novalith warheads, and having your fleet take 20% damage from a Kostura can certainly tip the scales in a battle of attrition.

Its not that the DE doesn't do anything worthwhile, its that it does NOTHING in comparison to the other 2 superweapons.

Reply #346 from Sins Forums Top

Aye your right, but he asked how it can be done. So I provided an answer.

I think of the DE as a blend of Novalith and Kostura.

 Usually when superweapons come into play its hard for a Novalith to make a big impact on overall income. With trade ports making more usually by that time. Honestly I rather trade in some planet killing power for some fleet support. Again my humble opinion. Not to mention you cant kill off the planet with a SB. Yeah its expensive to build SB with the tech at EVERY planet but lets face it...usually the first planet to get hit is the HW like you said...again late game losing one planet isnt gonna tip the scales either since again most income late game is trade ports. Planets are key for resources tough...and affecting that is something the Novalith cant do.

As for the Kostura...well its a true superweapon. Usufull no matter what is around the planet or what kind shape its in. IMHO both the Novalith and DE should be brought up this kind of lvl if your going to be buffing the superweapons.

 

Anyhow I dont see how it could hurt give the DE a slight effect buff some how.

 

Reply #347 from Sins Forums Top

oh my some ppl forget insurgency can be considered as the second superweapon if u know how effective it works

Reply #348 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting -Ue_Carbon, reply 346
Aye your right, but he asked how it can be done. So I provided an answer
 

carbon, sorry for not being clear, i was being sarcastic when i asked that question, i know that avent research allows them to spy on planets under their culture...what i meant to ask how Exile plans on spy on planets or wreck economies with ONLY the DE, which only provides a non stacking 5.0 culture spread rate, which can be countered just by having a culture center and proper research.

Reply #349 from Sins Forums Top

Ah well thats why i get for trying to be helpful LOL:dur:

Reply #350 from Sins Forums Top

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