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Bush is an Embarrassment

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Bush is an Embarrassment

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The reception President Bush received today in Canada is a true embarrassment to the United States of America. We have a president who was despised by our closest neighbor and by the people of most of the European nations.

I cannot remember a time when the world had so little regard for our nation. The story is the same no matter were you turn with very few exceptions -- the United States is not trusted and our president is looked upon as an arrogant go it alone leader. It is hard to see how the next four years will benefit the people of our country or mend the huge rifts that exist between the United States and much of the rest of the world.
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Reply #76 from JoeUser Forums Top
zObelisk

I do not take pleasure in GW looking bad. What drives me is that the policies he is following are, for the most part, not good for the majority of Americans. His social outlook, his view of the debt, trade , his lack of compassion and this belief that if he takes care of the wealthy, all will be better. He plays to a very small segment of the Americans even though he has been able to get the vote of 51% of voters. He is being handled by people that are master politicians but care nothing for the long term welfare of this nation!
Reply #77 from JoeUser Forums Top

COL Gene, pict asked the question, I was answering, and including the question so he would know I was answering it.


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Reply #78 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Thanks for the clarification, jeblackstar.

Sometimes it gets a bit hard to keep track
Reply #79 from PolMach Forums Top
[Bush declared no such thing. It has already been proven that banner on board ship was *not* his idea. And while Bushs people had the banner made, they did so at the "ships" request.


Leaves an interesting point. If Bush knew it was untrue and he didn't want it, why didn't he order it taken down? He is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, I'd imagine he'd have some power. Why didn't he say, "Look, we've got a long way to go, this makes me look like an idiot, take it down, please?"
Reply #80 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why didn't he say, "Look, we've got a long way to go, this makes me look like an idiot, take it down, please?"


I love it. Can you imagine him saying that??????? I love the "please" part.
Reply #81 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's been fun watching this Bush Hatefest. Wouldn't want constructive activity to get in the way of all this fun, but hope y'all are feelin' better now and are ready to moveon.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #82 from PolMach Forums Top
"Of course it matters. But should it be an overwhelming priority? NO! What other countries think of us should not be allowed to change the course of events that we chose."

Ahh, in the case of war it does! No country should be able to take it upon itself to initiate war with a whole country is response to a criminal act. That would be like going to war with Italy in response to Mob activity in NY.
The fact is that there is protocol in place and they maintain the integrity of our world, you don't want to be alive when that breaks down. What's next? Cop should be able to enter any house that they want as long as they can find a decent reason for it afterwards?

"Get a grip! We are not bombing the people of Iraq, just the insurgents. And BTW take your non-american, anti-Bush attitude and place it where the sun don't shine."

OK, this stupid comment disqualifies you from the entire conversation. First of all, the insurgents ARE people of Iraq, and do you really think that no innocent people have been killed? Second, non-americans haven't cornered the market on hating Bush, not from the last exit poll I saw. I takes a much bigger man not to go to war than it does to go, Bush was planning this war when he was Gov of Texas. He keep changing the reason every time one falls through.

If someone kills your mom and your dad goes on a killing spree (not actually getting the person responsible, I might add) does that make you feel, maybe... Does that make you feel good about him, maybe..... Is it the right thing to do, HELL NO!

A brave man will fight for his family's safety ...a smart man will make sure he doesn't have to.

And speaking of Family, what has GW done for us here in the US the last 4 years?
Reply #83 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #86 By: Jackmouve - 12/3/2004 12:20:07 AM
"Of course it matters. But should it be an overwhelming priority? NO! What other countries think of us should not be allowed to change the course of events that we chose."

Ahh, in the case of war it does

No it shouldn't!


First of all, the insurgents ARE people of Iraq


You need to do a little more reading. *Most* of the insurgants are NOT Iraqi. They're from the surrounding arab states.
Reply #84 from JoeUser Forums Top
Most* of the insurgants are NOT Iraqi. They're from the surrounding arab states


please see reply#60. pay attention to the numbers.
Reply #85 from JoeUser Forums Top
Daiwa

If you want some constructive suggestions, please look at my Blog, "Policy changes for a second Bush term."
Reply #86 from WinCustomize Forums Top
From what I'm reading, the majority of those 'embarrassed' seem to be so because of a political difference with Bush.

Again I wonder, why do some people feel that other people's actions are a reflection upon them? As an aside, it would be interesting to see if there were any correlation between political leaning and the Type A/Type B personalities I described in my first post.

Actually, I suspect that it's not truly embarrassment that motivates many of those who make such claims, but rather claiming embarrassment is yet another method of denigrating one's political foe. In society, pointing out someone's embarrassing actions is a method of shaming them into following the accepted norms of the majority.
Also, it's doubtful that those persons claiming hate for the President feel embarrassed for him. Generally, feeling embarrassed for someone is reserved for someone you have compassion for, which is probably unlikely to be felt for Bush by those who despise him.


OT - Thanks, Daiwa
Reply #87 from PolMach Forums Top

Daiwa, nice pyschological analysis! Does it serve a purpose? What does 'embarresment' have to do with anything? Your idea that it's just a matter of differing political opinions and that we just need to let the president do his job is absurd. It's about MORAL OUTRAGE at mass murder as a way to peace or anything else of lasting value. And yes, Bush's actions reflect on all of Americans, like it or not.

"*Most* of the insurgants are NOT Iraqi. They're from the surrounding arab states." - I really didn't know that- thanks Drmiler! Bomb the s@#t out of them then if there not 'real' Iraqi's - such a pointless statement. Maybe if you can think of a different way to label these people then you can really convince yourself that they should be killed.

Killing people is wrong, killing people for profit is wrong. Killing people so you can feel safe at night is wrong. Killing people for democracy is wrong.

The most dangerous people in the world are those that are certain in their beliefs. Evil dictators (even elected ones ) are always are certain, stead-fast in their beliefs, which is why they can feel justified in killing people for what they believe.
Reply #88 from PolMach Forums Top

Also I wanted to say that there are ways of securing peace, promoting national and world democracy (don't forget about world democracy - you can't be for one and not the other - without being a contradiction), opposing dictatorships and all the other stuff that Bush talks about, without war. It's as if Bush never even considered any other option before heading straight to war. And he couldn't have came up with a plan of action that fast after 911, unless... it had been planned before 911. ( It's all so clear, I feel nauseas)
Reply #89 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #91 By: mismos - 12/3/2004 12:52:50 PM

Daiwa, nice pyschological analysis! Does it serve a purpose? What does 'embarresment' have to do with anything? Your idea that it's just a matter of differing political opinions and that we just need to let the president do his job is absurd. It's about MORAL OUTRAGE at mass murder as a way to peace or anything else of lasting value. And yes, Bush's actions reflect on all of Americans, like it or not.

"*Most* of the insurgants are NOT Iraqi. They're from the surrounding arab states." - I really didn't know that- thanks Drmiler! Bomb the s@#t out of them then if there not 'real' Iraqi's - such a pointless statement. Maybe if you can think of a different way to label these people then you can really convince yourself that they should be killed.

Killing people is wrong, killing people for profit is wrong. Killing people so you can feel safe at night is wrong. Killing people for democracy is wrong.


Okay your right killing people is wrong. Then I have a question. What if the people who we're not killing decide to start killing our people? Should we ignore them? Ok that's 2 questions.
Reply #90 from PolMach Forums Top
I takes a much bigger man not to go to war than it does to go


I find this a bit ridiculous because people were complaining about the sanctions before we even went to war. I've heard people claim that through sanctions we killed thousands of babies and children each year. So, sanctions aren't acceptable, neither is war, then what the hell is the correct option?
Reply #91 from PolMach Forums Top

Then defenend yourself, don't ignore them!

But don't go on to tell me that the people all the way over in Iraq are trying to kill you. They are doing what I suggested you should/would do to the question above. Someone has come to their land to kill and take control of them and they MUST defend their own lives on their own land, they have no other choice. The only active decision in this war is on Bush side, everything else is a reaction.
Reply #92 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #95 By: mismos - 12/3/2004 1:12:23 PM

Then defenend yourself, don't ignore them!

But don't go on to tell me that the people all the way over in Iraq are trying to kill you. They are doing what I suggested you should/would do to the question above. Someone has come to their land to kill and take control of them and they MUST defend their own lives on their own land, they have no other choice. The only active decision in this war is on Bush side, everything else is a reaction.


Your opinion not mine.
Reply #93 from PolMach Forums Top

xr700: Maybe if Bush were a little better at communication he could, you know, get together and discuse, debate, create allies, apply pressure through neighboring countries, be a leader, which means being creative. There is no 'correct' option, but there IS a less violent one.
Reply #94 from PolMach Forums Top

And what is your opinion drmiler? This is a terrible way to ignore a truth.

Hitler: "This is just my opinion", Me: "Well I can't argue with you there, Hitler". (Not calling you Hitler, just showing you that you are deceving yourself with that arguement - which isn't actually an arguement.
Reply #95 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #98 By: mismos - 12/3/2004 1:25:56 PM

And what is your opinion drmiler? This is a terrible way to ignore a truth.


My opinion is as it always was. Right or wrong we're already there. We can't pull out now and leave the country as it is so we must finish what we started. And if our troops are fired on, well then blow the sh*t out of the other guys!
Reply #97 from PolMach Forums Top
xr700: Maybe if Bush were a little better at communication he could, you know, get together and discuse, debate, create allies, apply pressure through neighboring countries, be a leader, which means being creative. There is no 'correct' option, but there IS a less violent one.


great response. he kept on saying during the debates that he knows these people, but looking at the reception he is getting, that is not the case. he is the worst diplomat in US history.
Reply #98 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes- we are there and must try and not leave Iraq as bad or worse than when we invaded. The real issue for me is how Bush will handle a similar issue in the future. It is clear Bush does not understand the nature of the danger facing us. I have been reading ," Imperial Hubris" and that clearly documents that the Muslim actions are far more than Terrorism. The Muslims believe they are fighting for their beliefs and their God. They look at bin Ladin like a hero. Our actions in Iraq have not made us safer but have created even more converts to the followers of bin Laden and al Qaeda. This movement, like it or not, includes millions of supporters in 20 plus countries and the number is growing.
Reply #99 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #102 By: COL Gene - 12/3/2004 2:17:47 PM
Yes- we are there and must try and not leave Iraq as bad or worse than when we invaded. The real issue for me is how Bush will handle a similar issue in the future. It is clear Bush does not understand the nature of the danger facing us. I have been reading ," Imperial Hubris" and that clearly documents that the Muslim actions are far more than Terrorism. The Muslims believe they are fighting for their beliefs and their God. They look at bin Ladin like a hero. Our actions in Iraq have not made us safer but have created even more converts to the followers of bin Laden and al Qaeda. This movement, like it or not, includes millions of supporters in 20 plus countries and the number is growing


We must find someway to disillusion them of their present course of action.
Reply #100 from JoeUser Forums Top
They look at bin Ladin like a hero. Our actions in Iraq have not made us safer but have created even more converts to the followers of bin Laden and al Qaeda. This movement, like it or not, includes millions of supporters in 20 plus countries and the number is growing.


Not necessarily true

Reply By: zieinobiaPosted: Sunday, October 31, 2004
yes that what I mean of less religious and threatening,may be he is trying to get the support of other people who believe in Freedom , don't like the Acts of U.S Administration and are against globalisation
he mentioned that if he hated freedom and democracy as Bush said , he would have planned to bomb Sweden
,but one thing I know for sure ,Bin laden what ever he is now tries to make people pay attention to him again , he tries to be in the spot light again especailly I guess in the arab world ,there were no news about el-Quida for a while except for ElZarkoy group in Iraq
and also the what so called popularity of Osama Bin Laden in the Arab World is decreasing (at least from my opinion and the opinion of the people I know) after the Iraq War now as the arabs say alright you hate the americans now they are in Iraq ,a muslim country and many civilians got killed ,where are you?, all what he does just speeching ,same thing for the Palestine issue

one thing to notice in Iraq now the Zarakoy terrorist group ,assumed to be part of El-Quida ,has done nothing in Iraq except kiddnapping innocent people and killing them just like what so called the islamic army of Iraq ,a way that makes the world support the existence of the american army in Iraq, giving a bad pubilicity to the Iraqi issue.
if you notice the resistence and fights in Fallujah or Nagaf has nothing to do with Zarakoy
he is just trying to come back in to the spot light saying don't forget me I am here
anyway yesterday all arab political analysts agreed on one thing this gives a push to Bush in the Elections


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