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Bush is an Embarrassment

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The reception President Bush received today in Canada is a true embarrassment to the United States of America. We have a president who was despised by our closest neighbor and by the people of most of the European nations.

I cannot remember a time when the world had so little regard for our nation. The story is the same no matter were you turn with very few exceptions -- the United States is not trusted and our president is looked upon as an arrogant go it alone leader. It is hard to see how the next four years will benefit the people of our country or mend the huge rifts that exist between the United States and much of the rest of the world.
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
Get a grip! We are not bombing the people of Iraq, just the insurgents


You're kidding, right? No, you're freakin' serious. I suppose it's the martians that have killed upwards of 100,000 Iraqis, according to some estimates. That may be high, but the point is that the insurgents have not killed nearly as many Iraqi civilians as the Americans have. But, then again, this administration doesn't count Iraqi deaths. Therefore, they haven't occurred, right? Oh, wrong again..........

You need to get a grip and face some reality, bro. You're living in la la land.
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
Helix the II

As with every issue about Bush and the choices he has made- Are they resolving the issues that face America? Bush is saying it is results not the effort that counts. I guess we will have to see the results of things like:

What type of government develops in Iraq and what it will mean to us.
What will happen to the National Debt and the interest it will cost us all.
What will happen with trade and the falling Dollar.
Will we make Social Security and Medicare financially secure
Can we prevent another attack on America
Can we overcome the world wide Muslem actions aginst America.
Can we resolve the Middle-east conflict
Can we prevent nuclear weapons from ending up in Iran etc.

In time we will be able to see just how well Bush and his policies handled the major issues we are faced with today.
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
You're kidding, right? No, you're freakin' serious. I suppose it's the martians that have killed upwards of 100,000 Iraqis, according to some estimates. That may be high, but the point is that the insurgents have not killed nearly as many Iraqi civilians as the Americans have. But, then again, this administration doesn't count Iraqi deaths. Therefore, they haven't occurred, right? Oh, wrong again..........


So, the American army is bombing innocent Iraqis? For what reason?
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #53 By: dabe - 12/1/2004 7:50:31 PM
Get a grip! We are not bombing the people of Iraq, just the insurgents


You're kidding, right? No, you're freakin' serious. I suppose it's the martians that have killed upwards of 100,000 Iraqis, according to some estimates. That may be high, but the point is that the insurgents have not killed nearly as many Iraqi civilians as the Americans have. But, then again, this administration doesn't count Iraqi deaths. Therefore, they haven't occurred, right? Oh, wrong again..........

You need to get a grip and face some reality, bro. You're living in la la land.


The american army is bombing innocent Iraqis? Show proof!
Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #53 By: dabe - 12/1/2004 7:50:31 PM
Get a grip! We are not bombing the people of Iraq, just the insurgents


You're kidding, right? No, you're freakin' serious. I suppose it's the martians that have killed upwards of 100,000 Iraqis, according to some estimates. That may be high, but the point is that the insurgents have not killed nearly as many Iraqi civilians as the Americans have. But, then again, this administration doesn't count Iraqi deaths. Therefore, they haven't occurred, right? Oh, wrong again..........

You need to get a grip and face some reality, bro. You're living in la la land.


The american army is bombing civilians? Show proof!

Reply #52 By: whoman69 - 12/1/2004 7:49:59 PM
You don't like being ridiculed? Then I apologize. I expect the same from you. I'm not going to let you talk bad about "my" country, my president or me and my fellow americans and not say anything about it.


Were you such a stickler for ridicule about your president when your president was Bill Clinton?


I was until after the Lewinsky incident. After that I lost "all" respect for the man.
Reply #56 from PolMach Forums Top
Anyone notice that Bush called the Canadian PM, Mr Premier?
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
So, the American army is bombing innocent Iraqis? For what reason?


The Bush administration doesn't really want to talk about the Iraqis that have died as a direct result of coalition airstrikes, but when they do, they call it "collateral damage". Tell that to the Iraqis. Following is an excerpt from one report, with a link, along with other links, if you care to actually read up on this rather disturbing issue.

"The survey indicated violence accounted for most of the extra deaths seen since the invasion, and air strikes from coalition forces caused most of the violent deaths, the researchers wrote in the British-based journal.

"Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children," they said.

The report was released just days before the U.S. presidential election. The Lancet routinely publishes papers on the Web before they appear in print, particularly if it considers the findings of urgent public health interest. "
Link ABCNews

Link Iraq Body Count

Link Taking Stock of Iraqi Deaths

These are just a few..................
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top

-- most of these "insurgents" are not from Iraq originally


according to the latest reports ive seen, the number of insurgents captured and still being held after the most recent battle for fallouja is about 1000; of those 30 were third-nation foreign fighters.  that doesnt take into account the dead found in possession of copies of the qu'ran printed in countries other than iraq and no other identification but to say most insurgents are not iraqis is far less than accurate.


Though it could be argued that the people that are having bombs targetted at them are perhaps giving up their citizenship because they've taken up arms against the provisional government and/or against the defenders of the peace there (us).


as it could be argued that the american revolutionaries were traitors having taken up arms against the colonial government and the defenders of the king's commonwealth.

Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
see replies #56 and 57.  yall got the good dr so riled up hes quoting his own responses now.
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #61 By: kingbee - 12/1/2004 11:39:51 PM
see replies #56 and 57. yall got the good dr so riled up hes quoting his own responses now.


Sorry for the double post. Don't know how I missed it.
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
The Big picture in Iraq is that we have converted an evil Dictatorship into a terrorist operation. It is a measured choice as to which is worse. The real test will be what happens after their election and after we are no longer in Iraq.
Reply #62 from PolMach Forums Top
The Big picture in Iraq is that we have converted an evil Dictatorship into a terrorist operation. It is a measured choice as to which is worse. The real test will be what happens after their election and after we are no longer in Iraq.


The real question is, in effect, 'how could we have gotten it so wrong?' Support the war, don't support the war, it doesn't really matter. The fact remains that since Bush declared 'mission accomplished', and since the start of this, a huge number of US soldiers and Iraqi civilians and security are dead. We don't seem to be reaching the 'hearts and minds of the Iraqi people'. And before you counter with, 'well, a little over a thousand troops isn't much,' that's the largest number of troops lost in an action since Vietnam, and if you've all read your history books, Vietnam wasn't our most rousing success either.
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
The two issues are first, should we have gone into Iraq and second, have we been effective?

As to the first question, there are different opinions. However, if the net result is that the government that emerges in Iraq is anti US and supportive of our enemies, we were wrong.

As to the second question, Bush was dead wrong. He did not have a workable plan to win the peace and did not have the resourses needed to do the job. That is becausse he did not listen to the military officers who knew what it would take to be successful. As Bush says, its results that count. By that measure our occupation of Iraq is a failure and Americans are paying the price for the Bush decissions to go into Iraq without enough force to secure the country after Saddam was removed from power!
Reply #64 from PolMach Forums Top
As to the first question, there are different opinions. However, if the net result is that the government that emerges in Iraq is anti US and supportive of our enemies, we were wrong.

As to the second question, Bush was dead wrong. He did not have a workable plan to win the peace and did not have the resourses needed to do the job. That is becausse he did not listen to the military officers who knew what it would take to be successful. As Bush says, its results that count. By that measure our occupation of Iraq is a failure and Americans are paying the price for the Bush decissions to go into Iraq without enough force to secure the country after Saddam was removed from power!


Amen! I've never heard it put so succently or correctly before, Col. Gene. Also, perhaps we should of listened to our allies a little more, and helped at least treat the UN as a world body, or have the guts and gumption to build our own. As the world's superpower, we are accountable to the world to use our power responsibly and respect the fact that there are governments that don't believe the same that we do.
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top

Care to expand on your reasons why?


Sorry, the I think you're wrong was directed to the post above yours pict.


Cheers

Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
Jeblackstar

What question do you want expanded reasons for?
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
George Bush had a message to all his Canadian detractors:



And a special one for COL Gene:



Cheers.
Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top
Myrrander

You make the case as to why the American voters made a BAD choice on November 2, 2004!

Helix the II

How about solutions to just a few of these issues?
Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top
You make the case as to why the American voters made a BAD choice on November 2, 2004!


Well, yes, of course! We tried our best, eh?
Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #64 By: Solnac - 12/2/2004 9:14:33 AM
The Big picture in Iraq is that we have converted an evil Dictatorship into a terrorist operation. It is a measured choice as to which is worse. The real test will be what happens after their election and after we are no longer in Iraq.



The real question is, in effect, 'how could we have gotten it so wrong?' Support the war, don't support the war, it doesn't really matter. The fact remains that since Bush declared 'mission accomplished',


Bush declared no such thing. It has already been proven that banner on board ship was *not* his idea. And while Bushs people had the banner made, they did so at the "ships" request.
Reply #71 from JoeUser Forums Top
If President Bush and his policies are so globally hated, why do we still have such a huge immigration problem i.e., millions scrambling to get in every year. And, YES....I've already checked last years stats and they're not all people from impoverished countries that would move to hell for a hot meal..........(in advance - nice try though)
It's like a kid that screams at the top of his lungs that he HATES ice cream and then when nobody is looking he takes a gaping mouthful of it.
Reply #72 from JoeUser Forums Top
zObelisk

It is not because they like Bush. They believe they have a better chance to make a living than where they come from.
Reply #73 from PolMach Forums Top
George Bush had a message to all his Canadian detractors:


Pretty much, and then he wonders why he can never get their help when he needs it.
Reply #74 from JoeUser Forums Top
whoman69

That is what he does not understand. It is his way in domestic policy as well as with foreign policy. History will rank George W. very low and we will pay for his attitude for many years to come. Even his so called supporters will smart from the policies of George W. Bush!
Reply #75 from JoeUser Forums Top


It is not because they like Bush. They believe they have a better chance to make a living than where they come from.

. . . . and yet they have so many other choices where President Bush is not the leader and better opportunities exist.
History will rank George W. very low and we will pay for his attitude for many years to come. Even his so called supporters will smart from the policies of George W. Bush!

You would take great pleasure in that wouldn't you.....very telling. I wouldn't hold my breath on this if I were you.
Pretty much, and then he wonders why he can never get their help when he needs it.

First of all, us "grown ups" realize that this is a doctored image and well done too . Although, that was exactly the message the Canadians were sending Pres. Bush.
. . . . and the Canadians wonder why we seem to care less and less about their opinions these days