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Lord Erebus.

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Needs a nerf. I don't care how. But he needs one.

Pretty much all the games I have played recently have had at least one Erebus in, and I don't know what the hell is going on because I never had problems with them before, but at the moment with max minions, max bite, 1 point in swarm and 1 point in stun there is NOTHING you can do against it. It totally owns from level 2 until the game finishes and you simply cannot touch him.

I CAN'T EVEN MAKE THEM LOSE ANY HP, AND THE DPS THEY HAVE IS INSANE.

/rage

:waaaa:  

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Reply #126 from Demigod Forums Top

:digichet:  yup

 

Actually, now that I think about it, I die more to boredom and overconfidence than anything the other team does.

Snake

Reply #127 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Splitshadow, reply 119
If I could make an analagy to pokemon, Erebus is very similar to spiritomb (has no weakness.) The main difference is, pokemon who have no weaknesses also have some major flaw that makes up for this.  Erebus' problem is that every single skill he possesses is a powerful skill that brings him some great benefit. No good Erebus build would ever take attributes; he just has too many good options.  Bite is just seriously a joke. Low cooldown, burst damage with lifesteal, armor reduction, and move speed reduction, all at level 1 wrapped up nicely in a convenient low mana skill.  To make things more laughable, every single one of his attributes is above average from the start of the game through the end. The only demigods who can stand up to him are the unclean beast and oak, and sometimes sedna.  

 

This game is not rock paper scissors, nor is it pokemon.  In pokemon, when you face an opponent that is effective against you, you have the option to switch out for a bit of damage.  In Demigod, the rook is the slowest character, and Erebus can just stalk the rook and continually drive him out of lanes.  He needs to be seriously considered for a nerf in the next patch. In fact, let's just take bite off of him and give it to the queen of thorns (somewhat sarcastic, but it would almost balance things up actually).
You forgot Sableye (I think thats how you spell it its been awhile)

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Reply #128 from Demigod Forums Top

Sableye is just terrible, its base speed is half that of a slow pokemon like charizard. (50/100) It has a decent movepool though.

Reply #129 from Demigod Forums Top

attack
mew low kic ks  ratata
Quoting Splitshadow, reply 123
MEW HAS NO FLAWS!

 

...

 

Level 20 rattata with quick attack and endeavor and focus sash.

Mew queues super powerful amazing attack.

Rattata queues endeavor.

Focus sash triggers after mew's attack, rattata is left with 1 hp

Rattata attacks with endeavor, mew is left with 1hp

Mew queues finishing move

Rattata queues quick attack

lvl 20 Rattata kills mew.

 

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW MWAHAHA!
mew low kicks rattata and than....wait rattata has fainted crap.

Reply #130 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting synnworld, reply 129

attack
mew low kic ks  ratata
Quoting Splitshadow, reply 123
MEW HAS NO FLAWS!

 

...

 

Level 20 rattata with quick attack and endeavor and focus sash.

Mew queues super powerful amazing attack.

Rattata queues endeavor.

Focus sash triggers after mew's attack, rattata is left with 1 hp

Rattata attacks with endeavor, mew is left with 1hp

Mew queues finishing move

Rattata queues quick attack

lvl 20 Rattata kills mew.

 

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW MWAHAHA!mew low kicks rattata and than....wait rattata has fainted crap.

not if focus sash procs :P

Reply #131 from Demigod Forums Top

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Lord Erebus.
By [ShakeNBake] Posted August 12, 2009 3:26:06 PM

Needs a nerf. I don't care how. But he needs one.

Pretty much all the games I have played recently have had at least one Erebus in, and I don't know what the hell is going on because I never had problems with them before, but at the moment with max minions, max bite, 1 point in swarm and 1 point in stun there is NOTHING you can do against it. It totally owns from level 2 until the game finishes and you simply cannot touch him.

I CAN'T EVEN MAKE THEM LOSE ANY HP, AND THE DPS THEY HAVE IS INSANE.

/rage


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December 30, 2009 5:38:27 PM

yup



Actually, now that I think about it, I die more to boredom and overconfidence than anything the other team does.

Snake
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December 30, 2009 8:39:27 PM

Quoting Splitshadow,
reply 119
If I could make an analagy to pokemon, Erebus is very similar to spiritomb (has no weakness.) The main difference is, pokemon who have no weaknesses also have some major flaw that makes up for this. Erebus' problem is that every single skill he possesses is a powerful skill that brings him some great benefit. No good Erebus build would ever take attributes; he just has too many good options. Bite is just seriously a joke. Low cooldown, burst damage with lifesteal, armor reduction, and move speed reduction, all at level 1 wrapped up nicely in a convenient low mana skill. To make things more laughable, every single one of his attributes is above average from the start of the game through the end. The only demigods who can stand up to him are the unclean beast and oak, and sometimes sedna.



This game is not rock paper scissors, nor is it pokemon. In pokemon, when you face an opponent that is effective against you, you have the option to switch out for a bit of damage. In Demigod, the rook is the slowest character, and Erebus can just stalk the rook and continually drive him out of lanes. He needs to be seriously considered for a nerf in the next patch. In fact, let's just take bite off of him and give it to the queen of thorns (somewhat sarcastic, but it would almost balance things up actually).
You forgot Sableye (I think thats how you spell it its been awhile)
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December 30, 2009 8:52:56 PM

Sableye is just terrible, its base speed is half that of a slow pokemon like charizard. (50/100) It has a decent movepool though.
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December 30, 2009 9:01:06 PM

attack
mew low kic ks ratata
Quoting Splitshadow, reply 123
MEW HAS NO FLAWS!



...



Level 20 rattata with quick attack and endeavor and focus sash.

Mew queues super powerful amazing attack.

Rattata queues endeavor.

Focus sash triggers after mew's attack, rattata is left with 1 hp

Rattata attacks with endeavor, mew is left with 1hp

Mew queues finishing move

Rattata queues quick attack

lvl 20 Rattata kills mew.



WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW MWAHAHA!
mew low kicks rattata and than....wait rattata has fainted crap.
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Shiro_Sol

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December 31, 2009 3:33:27 AM

Quoting synnworld,
reply 129

attack
mew low kic ks ratata
Quoting Splitshadow,
reply 123
MEW HAS NO FLAWS!



...



Level 20 rattata with quick attack and endeavor and focus sash.

Mew queues super powerful amazing attack.

Rattata queues endeavor.

Focus sash triggers after mew's attack, rattata is left with 1 hp

Rattata attacks with endeavor, mew is left with 1hp

Mew queues finishing move

Rattata queues quick attack

lvl 20 Rattata kills mew.



WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW MWAHAHA!mew low kicks rattata and than....wait rattata has fainted crap.

not if focus sash procs

I have no idea what that is, I stopped playing pokemon after their became more than 151.

Reply #132 from Demigod Forums Top

It always procs if you 1HKO from full health.

Pokemon is a great example of what happens if you buff everything too much. (everything is a 1hko)

Reply #133 from Demigod Forums Top

Hey stop derailing the thread with this pokemon ****!!!!!!!!

Why Erebus is OP:

lvl 20: 5964.37 Modified Armored Health (2nd to rook by ~40 points)
highest base move speed in the game (joint with ub)
highest dps in the game from minions + erebus auto-attacking a target
ability to buy idol minions
a heal (bite)
a slow (bite)
armor mitigation (bite)
an AoE stun (1 point in mass charm)
a blink (1 point in bat swarm)
temporary invunerability to damage (1 point in mist)
lifesteal (lvl 15 aura)

LOLWAT

Reply #134 from Demigod Forums Top

*armor reduction.

 

Maybe this won't help you but I and many with me don't consider erebus to be more OP than Oak or UB and a Rook can usually push out the erebus.

 

P.S. You forgot the super aera stun. :D   X(

Reply #135 from Demigod Forums Top

How did you forget instant cast teleport that kills everything in its path? <-- In other games, a move like this would be considered a joke

Reply #136 from Demigod Forums Top

depends on the situation but 1vs1 i consider le more OP than oak and ub because of mist. he just needs mist 1, then he can avoid most of the spit damage. same with shield or penitence. well beast is most certainly the easiest character to play and oak is best inside a creepwave but generally i think le is the strongest because he is the most versatile dg out there.

Reply #137 from Demigod Forums Top

P.S. You forgot the super aera stun.


an AoE stun (1 point in mass charm)

How did you forget instant cast teleport that kills everything in its path?

a blink (1 point in bat swarm)

u guys blind or something?

Reply #138 from Demigod Forums Top

Ninja edit or my eyes fooled me... it was late!

Reply #140 from Demigod Forums Top

The OP doesn't say a blink...


an AoE stun (1 point in mass charm)
a blink (1 point in bat swarm)
temporary invunerability to damage (1 point in mist)


...but at the moment with max minions, max bite, 1 point in swarm and 1 point in stun


?

Reply #142 from Demigod Forums Top

He needs a nerf to bite, mist needs to be reworked, bat swarm's range should be shorter, and his minion creation needs to be revamped.

Reply #143 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Splitshadow, reply 142
He needs a nerf to bite, mist needs to be reworked, bat swarm's range should be shorter, and his minion creation needs to be revamped.

Batswarm really isn't too bad. I don't have a problem with the ability. If I were to change it I would just make it cost maybe 100, 150 more mana.

Bite's armor reduction is really the only thing that needs to go, mist needs some form of duration, and Coven should be changed from 2/5/8/10 or whatever it is to  0/3/6/9. It's only three seconds anyway ;)

The biggest thing for him, really, is that he has all sorts of awesome Level 15 skills (like the rest of tier 1 demigods) while all tier 2- have shitty-ass Level 15 skills, or only one good Level 15 skill. Making the other demigods' 15 skills more useful would go a long way to deal with Ereb.

Reply #144 from Demigod Forums Top

He has a ton of viable skill lines, unlike every other character. You could spec erebus ANY way you want and he'll still be pretty good. Each character should have 2 great skill lines that cost a ton of mana, a passive skill, and two or three okay skills. No character should have a useless skills, and no character should have all useful skills.

Reply #145 from Demigod Forums Top

Erebus teleport ability can go through null spaces, that gives the player enormous advantages in arenas like Crucible.

There he can teleport from somewhere near the artifact shop and capture the enemy portal.

Or when pinned, the player uses the teleport to instantly get to his citadel area.

 

That hiding ability allows Erebus to recover HP like mad, cannot be hit or stunned.

 

The bite reduces victims armor and HP, heals Erebus.

 

Nightcrawlers combined with normal general minions are near fatal to any Demigod, allowing Erebus to capture flags while attacking another player or enemy structure.

 

No wonder why Lord Erebus is Top Nº1 Demigod!

Reply #146 from Demigod Forums Top

You forgot that bite ALSO slows, making it all the more lethal.

Reply #147 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Splitshadow, reply 146
You forgot that bite ALSO slows, making it all the more lethal.

Yes, but without the slow AND armor bite isn't that useful. Bite helps an assisting teammate and also has gank-synergy with BatSwarm.

You can get rid of one or the other. But not both.

Part of the strenght of Bite is that is is dirt-cheap mana-wise. 350 Mana for a 500 damage swing + snare + armor debuff. Compare to:

Spit. 500 damage (450 DoT), ranged, but over time. 500 mana

Penitence. 200 damage, ranged, interrupt, nice snare and +dps. 450 mana

Pounce. 400 damage, interrupt. 400 mana

Reply #148 from Demigod Forums Top

The only reason I consider LE OP is his get out of jail card.  It makes LE extremely difficult to kill even if you dominate him in a straight up 1v1.  I'd like to see two things with LE: 1) increase swarm cost, 2) when in mist form, timers don't count down (e.g., stopping the ability to mist and wait for swarm).

Reply #149 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Melric, reply 148
The only reason I consider LE OP is his get out of jail card.  It makes LE extremely difficult to kill even if you dominate him in a straight up 1v1.  I'd like to see two things with LE: 1) increase swarm cost, 2) when in mist form, timers don't count down (e.g., stopping the ability to mist and wait for swarm).

Silence that mother-fucker ;)

Reply #150 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 149
Silence that mother-fucker

 

YOU get your fingers out of the keyboard, those arent bad penalties for an overpowered, better-skills thief vampire!

 

Lord Erebus sux, that simple