Obama Makes The Case AGAINST Health Insurance Reform

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. ... It's the Post Office that's always having problems."

Now that's funny.

Oddly enough, from what I've heard from unnamed sources, UPS is doing fairly well though they've had to adjust their belt so to speak. It's FedEx that is losing it; I heard from that same source that FedEx is trying to stop legislation that would put them on the same playing field as UPS because they've had to change pants.

Be well, ~Alderic

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Oddly enough, from what I've heard from unnamed sources, UPS is doing fairly well though they've had to adjust their belt so to speak. It's FedEx that is losing it; I heard from that same source that FedEx is trying to stop legislation that would put them on the same playing field as UPS because they've had to change pants.

Hmmm, you got yourself in an interesting connundrum don't you? If you agree with Daiwa, then Obama himself admits that Gov't run programs do not work as well as private ones. If you disagree then Obama is lying, misinformed and therefore doing more harm than good for the people of this nation.

So, I'll kinda ignore you above comment and give you a chance to pick where you stand on this issue AJ. BTW, UPS and Fedex do tend to have more business from companies than the post office does but the post office tends to do better when it comes to small mail. However, you can't always track where the letter is.

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unnamed sources, sounds like something Obama would use. Hey Daiwa, looks like the Biden effect is kicking in.

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unnamed sources, sounds like something Obama would use. Hey Daiwa, looks like the Biden effect is kicking in.

The only reason that I stated "unnamed source," is because the person works at one of the UPS places and they have a policy about their workers talking about anything regarding the company. Sort of like a gag order.

If you agree with Daiwa, then Obama himself admits that Gov't run programs do not work as well as private ones. If you disagree then Obama is lying, misinformed and therefore doing more harm than good for the people of this nation.

On the contrary, that is if he is even referencing government programs not working due to Daiwa's assertion. I could easily infer from his comment that the reason he's talking about the post office not working is because people choose UPS and FedEx over the post office because people tend to send more packages and other types of things, than letters. It all depends on what the context and so on, was.

For the record, I neither agree nor disagree. I'm waiting to find out more.

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Daiwa

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Oddly enough, from what I've heard from unnamed sources, UPS is doing fairly well though they've had to adjust their belt so to speak. It's FedEx that is losing it; I heard from that same source that FedEx is trying to stop legislation that would put them on the same playing field as UPS because they've had to change pants.

Put them on the same playing field? UPS chooses to unionize & now 'someone' wants to force FedEx to accept unions. Level playing field, my ass.

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Put them on the same playing field? UPS chooses to unionize & now 'someone' wants to force FedEx to accept unions. Level playing field, my ass.

FedEx is under different laws/rules as UPS is. There are FedEx employees who want to unionize, but are unable to because FedEx won't allow them to under the threat of loss of job. There's a lot of other crap that FedEx pulls. (This is coming from people who work for FedEx, so I'm not just pulling it out of my ass)

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this statement goes well with the one about the 57 states. Of couse the media will push this under the rug like they do everything else they wish to ignore for the good of their agenda.

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this statement goes well with the one about the 57 states. Of couse the media will push this under the rug like they do everything else they wish to ignore for the good of their agenda.

I find it...rather pathetic that people are still bringing up the 57 states comment up. To me, no matter who said it, it comes across as childish and immature. I mean really, who cares if he slipped up and said 57 states? It's not like he slipped up and said he wanted to go to war with north korea or iran or anyone. Really, what is the biggest concern....the expected perfection of our elected officials/nitpicking on them, or...what they do?

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Daiwa

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Speaking of childish & immature...

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Speaking of childish & immature...

Your point?

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Daiwa

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Why does Jethro Tull come to mind? Hmm.

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The only reason that I stated "unnamed source," is because the person works at one of the UPS places and they have a policy about their workers talking about anything regarding the company. Sort of like a gag order.

Some would call that insider trading. I'm not sure how you would expect us to take the word of a person who is willing to break company policy in this manner. Also, unless the guy is some kind executive in a really high position in UPS with access to financial information that can indicate what you mentioned, I wouldn't take their word either, because I too worked for UPS before.

I could easily infer from his comment that the reason he's talking about the post office not working is because people choose UPS and FedEx over the post office because people tend to send more packages and other types of things, than letters.

Actually, Obama's point about his mention of USPS vs FedEx and UPS was that the USPS is a Gov't run program yet private programs such as UPS and FedEx florished just fine. This was to rebunk the idea that Gov't run Healthcare (which ironically they claim will not be Gov't run Healthcare) will put private insurance companies out of business or something of that nature that in reality (according to the Obama Administration) it will be an alternative not the only option.

Tell me AJ, how come is it that I understood Obama's "very stupid" comment better than you did? Also, using such a concept of Gov't run vs private run to make Gov't run look good is a bad idea when using a Gov't run program that is failing compared to private run programs basically proving to people the Gov't failed compared to the private sector (which has been and can be proven time and again). Now if you chose to ignore or dismiss this that's fine, but facts are facts and Obama gave the facts that he can not take back and you can not ignore because they are now inconvenient.

For the record, I neither agree nor disagree. I'm waiting to find out more.

I'm sorry AJ but that is a lame attempt at staying on the side lines. This is not about listening to more or not, what else is there to say or hear? The info is out there for you to read, reread, watch, listen, understand, question, digest and absorb. Obama has made enough Town Hall meetings, TV interviews, commercials, websites and televised speeches explaining, reiterating (not to mention attacking, blaming, scolding and asking to move aside), repeating and regurgitating his reasons why we should pass this reform. If you are not in favor or against at this point then you have no clue what you want for this country making you comments and opinions somewhat useless.

Make a stand already. I made mine and most others have made theirs. Obama sure has made his already. I can give him that much.

FedEx is under different laws/rules as UPS is. There are FedEx employees who want to unionize, but are unable to because FedEx won't allow them to under the threat of loss of job. There's a lot of other crap that FedEx pulls. (This is coming from people who work for FedEx, so I'm not just pulling it out of my ass)

I can bete there are just as many who don't want Union in FedEx and I can also bet some people in UPS would rather not have a Union. I should know, I worked there before.

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I find it...rather pathetic that people are still bringing up the 57 states comment up. To me, no matter who said it, it comes across as childish and immature. I mean really, who cares if he slipped up and said 57 states? It's not like he slipped up and said he wanted to go to war with north korea or iran or anyone. Really, what is the biggest concern....the expected perfection of our elected officials/nitpicking on them, or...what they do?

I find it rather pathetic and somewhat shameful that some people in this country thought it was OK (morally) to create Bushism merchandise and profit from it while ridiculing the leader of their nation in the process. It is said that the position of the POTUS is a position to be respected, the position of a man/woman who represents us in the world stage, who people from other countries judge based on the opinions of those he leads. For 8 years the Democrats made it not only their job but their passion to ridicule, insult, demonize and even criminally charge the leader of this nation, all for what? For power. They didn't care that the reputation of the USA was being dragged all over the world like a tin can tied to the bumper of a newly wed car. The way they are treating voter in these town hall meetings, TV interviews and online comments is proof that it was self political interest and not the need to save their voters from a distuctive Administration that motivates them.

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I find it rather pathetic and somewhat shameful that some people in this country thought it was OK (morally) to create Bushism merchandise and profit from it while ridiculing the leader of their nation in the process. It is said that the position of the POTUS is a position to be respected, the position of a man/woman who represents us in the world stage, who people from other countries judge based on the opinions of those he leads. For 8 years the Democrats made it not only their job but their passion to ridicule, insult, demonize and even criminally charge the leader of this nation, all for what? For power. They didn't care that the reputation of the USA was being dragged all over the world like a tin can tied to the bumper of a newly wed car. The way they are treating voter in these town hall meetings, TV interviews and online comments is proof that it was self political interest and not the need to save their voters from a distuctive Administration that motivates them.

Just because someone does somthing that is stupid - does that make it right? Why not hold yourself to a higher standard? Sorry, but the republicans and their ilk are playing the same game the democrats and their ilk did, etc. Same game, same players - different target.

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Some would call that insider trading. I'm not sure how you would expect us to take the word of a person who is willing to break company policy in this manner. Also, unless the guy is some kind executive in a really high position in UPS with access to financial information that can indicate what you mentioned, I wouldn't take their word either, because I too worked for UPS before.

With suspicion I'm sure, but hey, I provided a basis for my words, instead of just making wild claims without any sort of support. However, I completely and utterly trust the source and I'm pretty finicky with things like that.

Actually, Obama's point about his mention of USPS vs FedEx and UPS was that the USPS is a Gov't run program yet private programs such as UPS and FedEx florished just fine. This was to rebunk the idea that Gov't run Healthcare (which ironically they claim will not be Gov't run Healthcare) will put private insurance companies out of business or something of that nature that in reality (according to the Obama Administration) it will be an alternative not the only option.

That's one interpretation Charles, one of many that are possible.Could you provide the specific section, statement, et al. that says that the system will be the only? He was right though, UPS and FedEx do well despite having a socialized government program up and running.

Tell me AJ, how come is it that I understood Obama's "very stupid" comment better than you did? Also, using such a concept of Gov't run vs private run to make Gov't run look good is a bad idea when using a Gov't run program that is failing compared to private run programs basically proving to people the Gov't failed compared to the private sector (which has been and can be proven time and again). Now if you chose to ignore or dismiss this that's fine, but facts are facts and Obama gave the facts that he can not take back and you can not ignore because they are now inconvenient.

I get his point Charles, I'm not saying that I don't. I even agreed that his comment wasn't bright. However, as with anything said or written - there are many possible interpretations. One can just go with what they think is the right one with the information that is available. Learn to read, all right? I'm tired of saying things and then having people ignore what I said and nit pick other parts. Jebus H. Crisco!

I'm sorry AJ but that is a lame attempt at staying on the side lines. This is not about listening to more or not, what else is there to say or hear? The info is out there for you to read, reread, watch, listen, understand, question, digest and absorb. Obama has made enough Town Hall meetings, TV interviews, commercials, websites and televised speeches explaining, reiterating (not to mention attacking, blaming, scolding and asking to move aside), repeating and regurgitating his reasons why we should pass this reform. If you are not in favor or against at this point then you have no clue what you want for this country making you comments and opinions somewhat useless.

Make a stand already. I made mine and most others have made theirs. Obama sure has made his already. I can give him that much.

First off, I'm still forming mine. Secondly, "I agree every opinion shoudl matter, even if it's from some snobby actor or stupid singer." (You said that.) Thirdly, I'm a peace maker, a compromiser, and at this moment I'm looking for a way that could bring both sides of this issue together. I don't believe that either side's suggestion is right completely, and so...again, I'm still forming an opinion on it. In fact, I'm currently looking at the concept of whether or not health care is a right, versus being a mere luxury/commodity.

So please, don't push me into making a stand that I'm not yet ready to make, or I will push back.

I can bete there are just as many who don't want Union in FedEx and I can also bet some people in UPS would rather not have a Union. I should know, I worked there before.

I'm sure there are. I've always felt that people should have clauses in the contracts that say that if they wish to opt out of the union, they can. Some people want to, and some don't. Personally, I think the clause would help for people like myself who was in a union they did not like. I hated it because they just didn't listen, whereas another i was in was fine in my opinion.

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Obama Makes The Case AGAINST Health Insurance Reform

Obama Makes The Case AGAINST Health Insurance Reform

Might be his biggest inadvertent gaffe so far