The reference about God is your opinion, and I respectfully disagree.

As for the maps - I know this, but that still doesn't mean we should pat Israel on the back consistantly. Help when help is needed, but scold when scolding is needed. Right? You don't go and constantly give a child encouragement when they do things wrong, right?

You don't destroy people's homes! If you're fighting a war against terrorists, you go after the terrorists. If you don't know where they are in a given area, then you look harder.

Yes, and they never hide in or fire from "homes", right?

You are an anti-Semite, my friend. You repeat anti-Semitic lies and you don't even care how illogical they sound.

Why ON EARTH would Israel destroy homes INSTEAD of fighting terrorists? Did you think that the Israelis met one evening and decided that the world doesn't hate the Jews enough? Or what's the logic there?

So say you lived there, and you happened to have someone who used your home (with or without your permission) to fire at Israeli troops. Would you just go, "Oh alright." And smile? These people are trying to live their lives.

I don't remember where I saw the report, but if I had to guess I would say that it was likely on PBS. They went to a family whose home had been bulldozed because apparently, as Israel claimed (w/o proof), there were terrorists. They interviewed the family, and none...were terrorists, and none ever saw any terrorists in their homes.

News, independent reports, United Nations, etc. It's out there, go look.

So do you fail to see the connection here?

How do you see it coming across as pretentious? 

LOL, Quit being such a shlamiel (don't know what that is ask the rabbi or your best friend).

Your anti-semitism is coming through the words you are saying and through your perspective.  I don't care for your justification it has nothing to do with the words you said and the perspective of anti-semitism. 

I'm still waiting to hear how Israel ALWAYS get the pass.  They are the one's that have to ALWAYS give something up in the name of peace.  When's the last time you heard Palistin had to give up Jeruselam, West Bank, Gaza, etc in the name of peace? 

Maybe your anti-semitic remarks come from your ignorance/bias, maybe not time will tell.

I wonder if that friend know that he will believe any story told about him, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

I really hoped we would be done with this at some point.

You know what I think will be one of the first signs that the Messiah has arrived?

A random person will be told "Israel (or Jews) just did evil thing X." and the random person will answer "Oh, that I cannot believe. Why would they do that?".

We are still far from that age.

At the moment random people will still believe whatever story they hear about Israel or Jews. And they won't recognise it as anti-Semitism.

But that is what anti-Semitism is and was. The Nazis did not, in fact, do much else to convince people that Jews are evil. They just retold stories and people believed them. And it never stops. And at no point do people wake up and think "Wait. Today I won't believe it. It ends here. Even if it is true, just for once I want to see what happens if the Jews are not considered evil.".

So what if Israel "gets a pass". Is that really worse than risking the continuation of 2000 years of persecution?

If anyone or any country deserves a pass it's Israel.  They have been the most persecuted of all people of all time wandering around with no country to call their own after 2000 years.  Before that they were almost wiped out a few times.  To see Israel in their own land is nothing short of a miracle.  People just have no idea.  

Because if they get a pass then what order and expectations we've established for the world goes to the can. If we give Israel a pass, then that means we would have to give others passes, and so on so forth. It sets a bad precedent.

So, would I be correct in that anything that is said about Israel or Jews (even if it is factual)...is anti-semitism? Wow...

I totally get and empathize with their plight; I don't envy their position and conflict, but when someone is persecuted, does that necessarily mean that we should consistantly give them a pass?

If someone lost their home here in the states, do we thereafter give them passes on things they do? Or do we help them, and then expect that they will get along well on their own, and follow the laws.

Agreed, Iran does need to show responsibility, but is it really our job? Where does it say in our constitution or laws that we are suddenly the world police.

Here's an idea: Instead of rattling the saber, let's wage a war...of pamphlets, etc. so to speak.  In fact, I think I first heard of the idea from former President Bush. It's claimed in a book about him that ge said that he wanted to drop "bombs" of food first in, i think, Afghanistan.

Why not take that approach, not with the leaders...but with the people. There's evidence to show that a percentage of people in Iran don't care for what's being done. It's pretty much, to an extent, a case of what politicians say is not necessarily what the people say.

Depends, according to some the left says that a lot. Seriously though, I cannot think of anyone at the moment, but I'll think further.

From the second source:

I take it we can forget about destructions of homes built illegally and for military necessity since you were referring to the destructions of homes of innocent people for no reason.

Or did you mean that Israel should be criticised for destroying homes built without permits? Same thing is happening in other countries. Do you want to single out Israel without being an anti-Semite? Should be an interesting manoeuvre.

"Human Rights Watch" is known for its anti-Semitism, but let's look at the "source" anyway. (I really would have wished that you would have referred to normal news media reports rather than organisations with obvious agendas, but hey.)

The document says that Israel has stopped house demolitions because it was "ineffective". It does NOT say that those homes destroyed were the homes of innocent people, but of "alleged terrorists". (To give you an idea of what an "alleged terrorist" is, that's legal speak for the guy shooting at you. It is NOT a random Arab who might be a terrorist. "Alleged terrorist" is a polite term for someone who is currently murdering people or trying to murder people and who hasn't yet been put before a judge, which is difficult during the actual battle.)

Human Rights Watch even admit that there is still a legal battle about the demolition. That sounds quite different than your story, it really does.

So even the openly anti-Israel Human Rights Watch don't support your version of the story.

(As for the Fourth Geneva Convention, I don't know if it applies. As far as I know it only covers conflicts between parties that both accept the Geneva Conventions.)

There is also a very transparent lie in that document. It's even funny:

If they can appeal the demolition it means that the demolition might not be legal according to Israeli law. But the statement before that claims that the demolition IS legal according to Israeli law.

One of the two statements must be wrong, they cannot be be true.

Incidentally, here is the real story:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3578794,00.html

It is definitely the story "Human Rights Watch" were talking about, but it sounds different before they added their flavour to it. There is no hint that this home doesn't really belong to the terrorist but to innocent people with little connection with him.

Anyway, what is it? Is Israel's destroying homes for no reason or is Israel destroying houses of terrorists in a process that people can appeal against?

Where is the evidence for your claim?

What's so hard is that what is right and what is wrong apparently changes when it comes to Israel.

You made a claim, you didn't back it up.

There is nothing wrong about demolishing houses that were built without a permit or that were used to plan or execute attacks.

But the way you retell those stories is as if Israel was simply destroying family homes for no reason. And that's a lie.

Israel did give land for peace, several times. It didn't work.

They tried it with Hitler too, they gave him land. It didn't work.

You cannot make peace with the "death to the Jews" crowd by giving them land.

The PLO rejected offers of land.

What do you want Israel to do?

(Some people demand a compromise. What is a compromise between no dead Jews and six million dead Jews? Three million dead Jews?)