The setting is not right. If I had two neighbours, Suzuki and Saito, and Suzuki keeps screaming "death to Saito" and shoots at Saito's door every day. Their neighbours know well about both of them. Some of the neighbours cooperate with Suzuki, some stop him from smuggling weapons and the other one, who has the biggest power in the region, cooperate with Saito. I would find it extremely odd if the police did not search the place where Suzuki and his family were shot and Saito did not allow the police to come in the place.

not only is your analogy bullshit fussyvet, you also managed to mix up the names you made up.

Did the police search Suzuki's place to find out if one of Suzuki's own family killed Mr Suzuki or did the police immediately assume that it must have been Saito?

Also remember that most of the neighbours used to join Suzuki in his insane war against the Saito family.

Plus there used to be Mr Toshiba from the other side of the road, who murdered ALL of the Suzuki's cousins on his side of the road and is still considered a hero by the Suzuki family and most of the other people living in the house.

The biggest power in the region cooperates with Saito, but has only done so for a short time and for some reason tries to be "balanced" all the time, asking Mr Saito please to open the door when the Suzuki family complain that they cannot shoot Saito's children with the door closed.

And the major complaint the police have is that Mr Saito keeps his door closed when being shot at. Plus they condemn the Saito family for not giving free money to the Suzuki family all the time. (Mr Saito already pays the Suzuki family's medical bills and is regularly shot at when he brings over the money.)

Of course there is a back story where the apartments once belonged to Mr Suzuki, and before that to Mr Mitsubishi, and before that to Mr Saito, and after Mr Suzuki they belonged to Mr Turkish Guy and after that to some English dude. All the other apartments in the street are owned by the Suzuki family, who keep the former inhabitants as slaves. Mr Sudanshi and Mr Irakishi (Mr Suzuki's cousins) were the worst perpetrators.

The police hears about it.

Mr Suzuki wants to kill the Saito family and can't because the Saito family keep their door closed.

Mr Saito occasionally shoots back and is a much better shot.

Mr Saito's cousin, Mr Sudanshi, is accused of murdering everyone in the three apartment on his floor and enslaving the people on the floor below. People are FLEEING his part of the house, some to the Saito's apartment, which already houses refugees from all the other apartments.

In the buildings on both sides of the street members of the greater Suzuki family murder and enslave everybody else, except the Saito family who shoot back. And they murder each other. In fact Mr Algarishi (another cousin of Mr Suzuki's) has managed to somehow to end up with one third of his family dead one evening, with no external influence whatsoever.

Mrs Saito complains that she has heard that Mr Saito occasionally murders his own children, and indeed there are often children missing with no explanation.

So the police decide to raid Mr Saito's apartment every two weeks.

And there is nothing wrong with the scenario?

Actually, it's all right.

Except that not all of Mr Suzuki's family was shot but only three or so of the 19-year old troublemakers. And Mr Suzuki claims they were shot by Mr Saito and Mr Saito claims they were shot by Mr Suzuki.

NORMALLY the police would investigate both claims.

IN REAL LIFE, if the UN is the police, the police will only investigate the claim against the Jew.

yea i see now, she didn't confuse the names because she was simply not telling the whole story, she wasn't make an abstract but simply renaming israel and palastinians and then perpetuating blood liabel.

We were supposed to GUESS as you did that suzukis family was murdered (by the saitos), because there is no indication of that ever happening her story...

However if going ONLY by the story then there is no mention of suzuki's family being murdered in the saitos residence or by the saitos or whatever (its not clear within that story).

Honestly I would be much more concerned about the "police" in question as my little post about the un indicated... since the police come they don't actually investigate anything but just rape random little girls in the neighborhood, steal, and join in the shooting.

Leauki, you added the details and made the scenario longer. I like it. But it is not enough yet. As one of the back grounds, this should be included: Saito continues to enlarge his house over the border.

If Saito wants to claim that his family is the only righteous family in the region and that the last assault was just a legal defence, he should allow the police to investigate. The police says that they intend to inspect both Saito and Suzuki. You say that it will be a bad PR for Saito. But unfortunately, the last war has already been a bad PR for them. While the police says they will investigate both, that will be a worse PR if Saito never accepts it, I think.

I read the news that Mr. Netanyahu pledged for peace talk. I am following their course.

Only if the neighbour in question tried to murder him, plus he gave back the apartment he once took.

Note that all the other neighbours happily invade other apartments if they want to, for example the house of the Berber family from North-Africa, the house of Mr Kurdistan, and the homes of those nice black African families that Mr Sudanshi claims as his.

And while Mr Saito has an agreement with the people living in the apartment he took over, none of Mr Suzuki's large family even speak to the people whose apartments they took or allow them to speak.

Of the 200 apartments in the street, 99 are owned by Mr Suzuki's family, another 99 are controlled by his family and its inhabitants kept at slaves or murdered while only two flats are under the control of Mr Saito, one being the one he bought and the other being one of the places the Suzuki family used to shoot at Mr Saito's children, which Mr Saito says he will give back to the Suzuki family if they agree not to shoot any more.

I'm afraid at some point the police will have to investigate somebody else too. How can they solve crimes otherwise?

you are aware that israel is actually withdrawing from territory all the time, right?

I am planning a series of posts about illegal occupations of other people's lands in the middle east, by size.

First posts will be about the "Arab" Maghreb (Berbers), Sudan (Nubians and related tribes), Kurdistan (Kurds), Assyria (Assyrians/Aramaeans), Hejaz (Hashemite clan, that's the kingdom the Saudis annexed in the 1920s and STILL haven't returned to the rightful owner). I'll grant them Egypt. I'll also cover Invaderland ("Palestine") which apparently belongs to the Arabs for some reason.

I want to create a campaign to end all occupations in the middle east starting with Kurdistan and Hejaz now.

End the occupation! Withdraw from Hejaz now! (I'll see if I can create a logo for the movement.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Hejaz

Once Syria withdraws from Kurdistan and Saudi-Arabia from Hejaz we can talk about an Israeli withdrawal from ancient Jewish cities like Hevron and Jericho. But we need to verify first that the Arabs really believe in ending the occupation.

When is the us withdrawing from its occupied territory? (look up the mexican american war... one of the spoils of which wasthe entire state of mexico).

Israel actually evecuated whole settlements, had to use tear gas and hordes of police for those who wouldn't leave by themselves... (and gave each person twice the value of their home in return, even those who were evacuated by force) and then surrendered those cities to the arabs... I don't think ever in the history of mankind did a nation willingly and forcibly removed its OWN citizens from a "conquered territory" to "give it back" to someone...

Israel conquered ALL the oil fields of egypt, gave it back for peace... huge stupid mistake... egypt would have collapsed without the oil and would not have been able to wage war against israel anyways, israel would have been filthy rich from the oil, rich enough to buy public opinion (or rather, buy enough news outlets to make them less anti semetic in their lies)

The current definition of a terrorist appears to be a returning veteran having difficulty re-integrating into society.

While having his contractual medical compensation cut because his government beleives him to be evil for having been injured in a war they send him to.

Never mind the US.

I still demand that the Arabs withdraw from North-Africa, Sudan, Assyria, and Kurdistan.

And Saudi-Arabia must withdraw from Hejaz!

The occupation of Islamic holy cities must end now.

"Israel is "very unlikely" to cooperate with a UN agency's probe into whether Israel and Hamas committed war crimes in the IDF's recent Gaza offensive, a government official said Wednesday.

Hamas, meanwhile, said it was ready to work with the investigators, to be led by Richard Goldstone, a South African judge who served as chief UN prosecutor of war crimes in Yugoslavia and Rwanda."

From J-post.com

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1239710696285

Why is righteous Mr. Saito very unlikely to cooporate with the police while evil Mr. Suzuki is ready to work with it?

because, as we explained and you keep ignoring, the "police" are self appointed, corrupt, rapists, theives, and murderers who are ineffective bigots on a witch hunt who have never, ever, done anything good.

Also hamas never cooperates, it just always makes STATEMENTS saying it WILL. Who cares what STATEMENT they made, they never actually follow through on any of their promises, agreements, or statements.

> because, as we explained and you keep ignoring, the "police" are self appointed, corrupt, rapists, theives, and murderers who are ineffective bigots on a witch hunt who have never, ever, done anything good.

Hey, are there any countries whose soldiers never rape or muder anyone and rob anything? If you believe the soldiers of your country never do crazy things, you　are too innocent, Simple Simon.

The reason I ignore you is that your comments are worthy of little attention.

There are where it is extremely rare because it is illegal and punished harshly, the UN on the other hand gives total immunity to their troops who do so.

Yes. It's actually the norm.

Most armies (not Hamas, though) have rules that prohibit such behaviour and prison time (or worse) for offenders.

There are very few organisations that don't. Hamas have and enforce no such rules. And the UN have such rules but don't enforce them. (As Taltamir says, UN troops have immunity.)

this sort of "rape is normal" argument reminds me alot that one guy who was saying "if someone invaded america, american soldiers would use its civilians as human shields, its called normal tactics".

It never ceases to amaze me how forgiving liberals are of war crimes. And their assumption that everyone comits them. I guess that might have to do with their beleif that guns are evil, ergo all soldiers are pure evil and must thus all equally commit war crimes.

Yes, that was a bit much. I was never that disgusted before. Some people are scum.

Whatever evil the mind can conceive, the liberal will want to check whether Israel committed it. It doesn't matter how preposterous the accusation or how often similar accusations were proven wrong, Israel must be accused of crimes.

It was a nice eight years when liberals directed some of their hatred at the US and George Bush, it really was. Suddenly somebody else was a possibly candidate for criminal of the decade. But now that Obama is president, it's Israel and Israel and Israel.

Those people will only shut up, for a while, when the Jews get what they deserve. Then they'll be sad for a few years until they find new crimes they can accuse the Jews of.

(Note that I am not referring to people like our Japanese friend but to people like our "human shields are acceptable" friend.)

Leauki, I saw a footage that showed Israeli soldiers were hitting some Palestinians and breaking their bones. Were the soldiers punished? It was like being organized and the soldiers looked used to it.

I know UN sex scandals. But any countries have such kinds of scandals on soldiers and some of them are punished only after whistle-blowing. UN is not special.

1. How would we know, you haven't linked the footage or an article so its not like a specific incident we could look up, refer to. just liabalous claims of "did you know israeli soldiers break the bones of palastinians"

2. I would very much like to see that footage.

3. How did you know that they broke their bones

3a. How did you know it was "like, being organized"

4. How did you know that they looked used to it, you saw a lot of such footages? made out their facial expressions? was the video HD?

5. How do you know the victims were palastinians? (there was a famous photo of israeli policeman beating a palastinian child, turns out it was an israeli policeman chasing away the arab mob who beat that israeli child half to death, but taken from the "right angle" looked like he was charging for another smack with the club; and go figure israelies and palastinians LOOK THE SAME)

6. Your post clearly indicates that you do not KNOW what the followup of it was, you just assumed that if it is israeli soldiers commiting an atrocity, and that they would not be punished for it if they did.

7. were the assailants at least wearing an israeli uniform? I want to give you the benefit of the doubt on something so basic but I learned the hard way to ask, to date i have been told about a lot of such atrocities who all turned out to be shams... (like the "israel is bombing ambulances" lie)

What Taltamir said...

תל תמיר

אני בארץ. בתל אביב רחוב הירקון

מחר בערב אני נוסע לחיפה

You can search for it with "break" "bone" "strategy" "Israel" in youtube if you want to watch it.

See, that wasn't too hard, here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMXpvOFuOQ

There is a voice over of a lady telling a story, all of it is BS... this is followed by two clips of people who are maybe hit with what looks like a stick by people in unmarked and uncoordinated uniformed. then two clips of black and white zoomed out clips of a group of men in an unrecognizeable uniform hitting someone with a rock, first on the back, and then one holds his arm and the other hits it with a rock in the joint. It looks like it is supposed to be the same setting as the stick beating, which, btw, was faded into black and white, but they don't look to be the same to me. Then there is a teen boy with a bleeding nose being lifted, yelled at by one man, and then pulled away from the yeller and being pushed against the wall (maybe to handcuff him?). finally men in coats and hats that say "mishtara" in hebrew (police) push a few individuals who look completely unharmed into a car.

That last bit with the police is the only case in which I can actually IDENTIFY the uniform being worn. in the case of the rock beatings they were not even all wearing the same stuff, it was a mismatch of items. heck one of the rock beaters is even wearing a HOODIE.

The one man being hit with rocks is the only case where actual real violence is observed and not a "lead into" or "aftermath" of violence.

I can't make out any rank, insignia, words, flags.. nothing. There is a guy wearing a hoodie shirt the color of the uniform, another wearing what looks like a black sweater.

They DO look middle eastern though. It being black and white makes it even harder to tell what the hell kind of uniform it is.

PS. just so you know in hebrew "break their bones" means "kick their ass". just like in "ass kicking" there is not necessarily any physically kicking a buttox.

So... the question is, are those israeli soldiers? if so, were they doing so as part of a "plan" or comitting a singular crime? if a crime, did it get investigated and were they punished for it? and finally, are the various claims made by the narrator are true (ex: the bit about "during the intifada, thosands of palastinians were being rounded up with no trial, and imprisoned in harsh conditions where physical torture and abuse were rampant" or before that "many palastinians being rounded up and imprisoned; since 1967 over 400,000."). as of 2007 the population of gaza has reached 1.5 million... israel has a population under 6 million at the time, today it has 7.2 million (and had much less around 1967)... how a 6 million people country rounds up and imprisons 400k people out of a 1.5 million person territory (again, there were much less back then) is beyond me, especially doing so without anyone noticing. (the news here makes a huge fuss about every INDIVIDUAL palastinian killed.)

Anyways, I am currently looking up more photoes of uniforms from the region. I want to see if, even without rank, insignia, etc, if there are any distinguishing features in those mismatched uniforms...

But that does not mean its not possible that a gang of israeli soldiers out of uniform and wearing no identifing insignia set about to break the bones of a palastinian man, it is just not as conclusive as you make it out to be.