Different Definitions of Terrorism

Many liberals use a different definition of “terrorism” than I do. For them the word is related to a cause, for me it’s related to a method.

Hence for them fighting for the cause they agree with, however inhuman and evil, is not “terrorism” regardless of the methods employed.

And for me attacking civilian targets to create fear (”terror”) is terrorism, regardless of what cause is being fought for.

There simply are not many Jews attacking schools and kindergardens in Arab countries because of real or perceived injustice or suffering experienced. But there are many Arabs who attack schools and kindergardens in Israel (and elsewhere). They are terrorists. They seek to create an atmosphere of terror in order to achieve their political goals (i.e. a Jew-free middle east or whatever their current propaganda officially says it is about).

They are too cowardly to oppose a real army and hence resort only to attacking children and unsuspecting civilians. They murder children in front of their parents, NOT because they expected the children to fire at them or because the children were used as human shields by militants firing at them but SOLELY because the children are too small to fight back and are thus an easy target for even the bravest of Arab terrorists.

And they are not very brave. They are only brave when their enemy is weaker. If the enemy turns out to be stronger, they whine and cry and ask the world for help against the evil Israelis, an enemy who at first seemed like an easy target and turned out to be far more difficult to “throw into the sea” than originally thought.

This is the terrorists’ battle strategy:

1. Try to murder children.
2. Wait for Israeli reaction.
3. Try to murder children until Israel reacts.
4. After Israel responds in kind, cry and whine and ask the world for money.
5. Use the money to buy weapons.
6. Repeat.

What heroes! If only they could take violence like they expect Jews to. But they are lesser men than the Israelis.

(Other typical targets of their heroic allies include unarmed black African tribes. Step 4 works so well as the world has lots of money because the world refuses to give that same money to the victims of genocide committed by the terrorists' allies in Darfur.)

 

 

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> because of real or perceived injustice or suffering experienced.

 

I wonder why those who know real suffering could make such a joke below.

Should be careful or similar trend, targeting the weak, can happen among any people.

 

Photos of IDF sniper training graduates' t-shirts

http://jewishpeacenews.blogspot.com/2009/03/photos-of-idf-training-graduates-t.html

 

And some ex-soldiers' testimonies indicated Israeli snipers targeted Palestinian children in the last Gaza assault while Mr. Barak finished the investigation and concluded "that was jus a rumor". After that, I read the news UN appointed a Jewish from South Africa as an investigator of the Gaza conflict. I don't know whether Israel accepts his investigation or not, but I expect their inspection to be fairly conducted and its result.

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but SOLELY because the children are too small to fight back and are thus an easy target for even the bravest of Arab terrorists.
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It's not a good reason, but it's more than just the weakness angle. If it was purely weakness, they'd target hospitals and nursing homes more often. Attacking children is an attack on the future. That's basically the symbolism behind it.

Going to your African genocide/Darfur model, it's why the genitals of victims are often mutilated, eg 'you people don't deserve a future'.

It's horrible, but there's no point pretending these dimensions don't exist or aren't highly influential.

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Should be careful or similar trend, targeting the weak, can happen among any people.

Photos of IDF sniper training graduates' t-shirts

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You can buy those t-shirts in the old city of Jerusalem. They are being sold by Jews and Arabs and are made for tourists. They have nothing to do with the IDF. The particular examples are plainly racist.

I'm not sure I understand your point.

I myself point similar t-shirts, one with a picture of an F16 fighter and the words "Don't worry America, Israel is behind you" and one with the symbol of the Israeli intelligence service and the caption "I'm work for Israeli Intelligence, my job is so secret, even I don't know what I am doing.". (Of course, if I wore these in public, I would get beaten up.)

None of these t-shirts have anything to do with the IDF, they are just making fun of the military, some good-hearted, some not so much. You can buy them in Arab East-Jerusalem.

But claiming that these t-shirts are printed by the IDF and/or somehow represent IDF opinion is rather dishonest.

(It tells you something about the anti-Israel movement when you realise how dishonest they are. Or maybe they really don't know. Maybe they just saw those t-shirts somewhere and "concluded" that they are made by the IDF.)

 

And some ex-soldiers' testimonies indicated Israeli snipers targeted Palestinian children in the last Gaza assault while Mr. Barak finished the investigation and concluded "that was jus a rumor". After that, I read the news UN appointed a Jewish from South Africa as an investigator of the Gaza conflict. I don't know whether Israel accepts his investigation or not, but I expect their inspection to be fairly conducted and its result.

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Those ex-soldiers have now admitted that they were quoting press articles and didn't actually see these things. One of the two wasn't even in Gaza.

I don't think Israel should accept the investigation. It's a waste of money. There is a genocide in Darfur the UN ought to do something about it first, or is one Arab really worth a thousand black Africans?

Think about it logically: What would be the point? The soldier risks prison time and Israel risks (more) bad PR.

You really have to stop believing this crap.

 

It's not a good reason, but it's more than just the weakness angle. If it was purely weakness, they'd target hospitals and nursing homes more often. Attacking children is an attack on the future. That's basically the symbolism behind it.

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They do target hospitals and nurseries more often. In Israel many people don't even lock their doors because crime rates are rather low and it is really safe. But any building that contains more than five Jews needs to check people for bombs and weapons at the door.

You never know when the freedom fighters strike, and your child if you have one, could be just the oppression they "resist" today.

 

Going to your African genocide/Darfur model, it's why the genitals of victims are often mutilated, eg 'you people don't deserve a future'.

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They are only blacks. They are not worth much, not to the Arabs, not to the UN.

Imagine if the world had four billion dollars for the slave population of Sudan.

You know what would be interesting? If through some magic all Palestinian Arabs were suddenly transferred to Dafur and southern Sudan and all Nilo-Saharan tribes from there were transferred to Gaza and the West-Bank. I wonder how it would work out if at the same time the same magic causes both groups to forget any attachment to the land.

My assumption:

Israel and the Nilo-Saharans would make peace immediately. All borders would be open, Israel would have a large pool of cheap labour as wealth among the black tribes increases, Christian and Muslim tribes would live together in peace in Gaza and Bethlehem and Jericho. Gaza would become a major trading port and the black Africans, freed of their Arab masters would become a major trading power in the Mediterranean.

And Sudan would murder a few ten thousand "Palestinians" like so many Arab governments did before while the world ignores them and watches intently whether there is _any_ sign of anti-black racism in Israel or any evidence at all that the conflict was Israel's fault and should continue now that only the peaceful Arab victims have been removed from it and replaced with those no-good black Africans.

 

 

 

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> It tells you something about the anti-Israel movement when you realise how dishonest they are. Or maybe they really don't know. Maybe they just saw those t-shirts somewhere and "concluded" that they are made by the IDF.

 

As far as I know, the first one who reported about the T-shirts is Haaretz. Is Haaretz dishonest?

Every war crime should be clear whether it is regarding the Africans in Africa or the Arabs in Middle East. If IDF is really one of the armies that has the best moral in the world, they should accept official investigation.

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As far as I know, the first one who reported about the T-shirts is Haaretz. Is Haaretz dishonest?

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No, and as I said the t-shirts exist. It's the implication that they have something to do with the IDF that's dishonest. The point is simply that the t-shirts have absolutely nothing to do with the war between Hamas and Israel. They are NOT official Israeli propaganda material, just products made by enterprising Jews and Arabs living in Jerusalem.

 

Every war crime should be clear whether it is regarding the Africans in Africa or the Arabs in Middle East. If IDF is really one of the armies that has the best moral in the world, they should accept official investigation.

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Why should they? Even the accusation is an insult. Israel is sick and tired of being accused of war crimes every few weeks. And every time the investigations finally show that Israel was innocent. So what's the point? Do the UN have nothing better to do than to invest their resources into trying to stick something to the Jews?

Would you personally find it acceptable if the Japanese police stormed your flat every two weeks just because you MIGHT have committed a crime? And imagine that at the same time the obvious crime lords in your neighbourhood are left alone because the police don't have the manpower to do something about them.

Would you find it acceptable if the Japanese police kept accusing YOU of horrible crimes every few days, not because you are a known trouble maker and in spite of having been proven innocent EVERY TIME they did it?

The UN have no jurisdiction in Israel. If they want to fight war crimes, they can start with Hamas and Hizbullah, who openly admit to committing war crimes.

There is a difference between fighting crime and accusing the local Jew of every crime one can think of.

If the UN are so worried about war crimes they can stop them among their own troops first. But I guess it is easier to accuse Israel occasionally.

(The UN have admitted that they lied about the UN school having been shelled by Israel. How do you know that those anti-Semites wouldn't lie about Israeli war crimes too?)

 

 

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> The UN have admitted that they lied about the UN school having been shelled by Israel.

 

After that, I read the news that UN says they will probe Gaza bombing.

http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=21020090311

How do you know that those anti-Semites would always be there?

 

Why did hundreds of children have to be killed in the last assault in Gaza? There is still a big question. If Israel continues to claim those children were killed by Hamas using human shield and booby trap, why don't they accept the investigation to prove Hamas's war crime?

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After that, I read the news that UN says they will probe Gaza bombing.
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Does anyone in their right mind trust the UN for anything? That corrupt, agenda driven, neo-political organization is a joke. They are currently making North Korea laugh. What a waste of taxpayer dollars.

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Why did hundreds of children have to be killed in the last assault in Gaza? There is still a big question. If Israel continues to claim those children were killed by Hamas using human shield and booby trap, why don't they accept the investigation to prove Hamas's war crime?

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No, the big question is how many children were really killed. Hamas claim that mostly innocent civilians and children were killed. Israel claims that the victims were mostly terrorists.

Why wouldn't Israel accept an investigation done by the same people who finance and helped Hamas during the war? Interesting question... maybe you can figure it out yourself.

 

Then, what/whom does someone in their right mind trust? I'm just curious.

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I trust Hamas when they say that they use human shields and that they love death. I also trust Hamas when they say that they want to exterminate the Jews.

I trust Israel when they say that they don't shoot at civilians if it can be avoided.

But I don't trust the UN if it contradicts both Hamas' pre-attack and Israel's post-attack claims, especially since the UN are not above lying if it can be used to increase hatred of Jews.

I'd rather have the Jordanian or Egyptian government do such an "investigation" than the UN.

Finally, I still don't see why there has to be an investigation at all. Why exactly is it so obvious to the world that Jews lie? I thought we had evolved a bit since World War II and now know that Jews are not automatically evil and that the guys who scream that all Jews must die are sometimes the bad guys.

I ask again, would you agree to the Japanese police storming your flat every two weeks on account that you MIGHT have committed a crime and with the explanation that crimes have to be investigated? Would you not think that there is anything odd about being accused of horrible crimes all the time? And would you not think that such an investigation is likely to be a sham when you know that the police was actually actively supporting the people who attacked your flat last week?

 

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After Israel responds in kind, cry and whine and ask the world for money.
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Israel has never, EVER, responded in kind...

Israel responds by hunting down those who murdered children and executing them.

Speaking of... did you see the boobytrapped school? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU

 

 

 

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Quoting fussyvet, reply 9
Then, what/whom does someone in their right mind trust? I'm just curious.
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Anyone who says "I want to kill all <people>", beleive him that he really does want to kill <people>. Hamas openly states that their goal is not peace, but the death and elimination of all jews in the region and the destruction of israel. That is their official goal.

 

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Israel has never, EVER, responded in kind...

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I meant "violently". The point is largely academic as for many liberals a Jew aiming at an Arab terrorist is morally the same as an Arab aiming at a Jewish child.

 

Israel responds by hunting down those who murdered children and executing them.

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Actually, too often they are caught alive and kept in prison for 20 years. Israel doesn't have a death penalty.

 

Speaking of... did you see the boobytrapped school? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU

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I saw it and referred to it in some of my posts.

I wonder why the media never reported how exactly those children might have died, given that Israel might not have found all boobytrapped schools in time.

(Here's a good joke: what about a UN investigation into the possibly war crime of boobytrapping a school. Muahahahahaha!)

 

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Actually, too often they are caught alive and kept in prison for 20 years. Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
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I am well aware of the unfurtunality... IF they are cought alive they will get a trial, and get "life in prison" (which is a max of 20 years... or was it 24 years?). In reality they then spend a couple of months in prison, then a jewish child or more rarely an adult is kidnapped by the terror organization, and is traded for hundreds of terrorists.

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(Here's a good joke: what about a UN investigation into the possibly war crime of boobytrapping a school. Muahahahahaha!)
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There will be none, honest freedom fighters will never do such a thing, it must be another dispicable jewish lie.

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I ask again, would you agree to the Japanese police storming your flat every two weeks on account that you MIGHT have committed a crime and with the explanation that crimes have to be investigated? Would you not think that there is anything odd about being accused of horrible crimes all the time? And would you not think that such an investigation is likely to be a sham when you know that the police was actually actively supporting the people who attacked your flat last week?
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I would allow tje police to come to my flat every two weeks if necessary. I have never heard that UN investigators went to Israel every two weeks. I read J-post, Harretz and blogs you introduced to me every day. The news I read every two weeks is "illegal Palestinian house was removed", "Palestinian festival banned" and so on (of course including the news on terrorism, too).

If I were included in a sham crime, I would do my best to clear my reputation and accept the police.

Would you doubt whether anyone who refuses every inspection by police is really innocent?

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I ask again, would you agree to the Japanese police storming your flat every two weeks on account that you MIGHT have committed a crime and with the explanation that crimes have to be investigated? Would you not think that there is anything odd about being accused of horrible crimes all the time? And would you not think that such an investigation is likely to be a sham when you know that the police was actually actively supporting the people who attacked your flat last week?
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I would allow tje police to come to my flat every two weeks if necessary. I have never heard that UN investigators went to Israel every two weeks. I read J-post, Harretz and blogs you introduced to me every day. The news I read every two weeks is "illegal Palestinian house was removed", "Palestinian festival banned" and so on (of course including the news on terrorism, too).

If I were included in a sham crime, I would do my best to clear my reputation and accept the police.

Wouldn't you doubt whether anyone who refuses every inspection by police is really innocent?

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Sorry. I tried to delete comment 16, in which I made a mistake, but couldn't (I have no idea why I cannot delete my own comment now).

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Quoting taltamir, reply 12


 
fussyvetreply 9Then, what/whom does someone in their right mind trust? I'm just curious.
Anyone who says "I want to kill all <people>", beleive him that he really does want to kill <people>. Hamas openly states that their goal is not peace, but the death and elimination of all jews in the region and the destruction of israel. That is their official goal.
 

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I intended to ask comment 8.

And I asked "what/whom does someone in their right mind trust"? Is Hamas in their right mind? If you think so, the answer is right while I don't think Hamas is in their right mind.

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And I asked "what/whom does someone in their right mind trust"? Is Hamas in their right mind? If you think so, the answer is right while I don't think Hamas is in their right mind.
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I think you are failing to correctly use basic english grammar to convey your meanings. Wether the hamas is of right mind is irrelevant because the question (and my reply) was weather a person of right mind can beleive the hamas (when they say they wish to kill everyone and not peace). The subject and the object are different.

After which you further go on suggesting that the hamas is SO INSANE that they cannot POSSIBLY mean to kill whom they SAY they wish to kill... because insane people never kill anyone?

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OK, OK. It's confusing. I think a part of Hamas members really want to kill all the Israeli.

I was just curious about the man who asked, "Does anyone in their right mind trust UN?", and wanted to ask him.

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I would allow the police to come to my flat every two weeks if necessary.

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In Europe and the US we have laws against that much government supervision. The police need a better reason to come to my flat than "he's a Jew".

If there ever was evidence that Israel has committed war crimes like, for example, Sudan, I wouldn't mind the UN going to Israel to investigate. But it's getting ridiculous when the accusations are simply the default after every war Israel fights.

 

I have never heard that UN investigators went to Israel every two weeks.

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They don't. UN officials are permanently installed in Israel. You cannot cross a street in Jerusalem without seeing UN-marked trucks.

 

I read J-post, Harretz and blogs you introduced to me every day. The news I read every two weeks is "illegal Palestinian house was removed", "Palestinian festival banned" and so on (of course including the news on terrorism, too).

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It will take a while for the world to understand that being an Arab is not an excuse to build a house without a permit. Jews can't do it either, but it's not news when a Jew follows the law.

 

If I were included in a sham crime, I would do my best to clear my reputation and accept the police.

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If the police were interested in facts that might be possible. But if the police are known for accusing you of every crime possible all the time without any evidence, letting them into your house will just tell the world that you agree with the need to search your place.

 

Wouldn't you doubt whether anyone who refuses every inspection by police is really innocent?

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No. Not allowing the police to search your house has nothing to do with being innocent or not.

But if I had two neighbours, Miller and Goldberg, and Miller keeps screaming "death to Goldberg" and shoots at Goldberg's door every day, I would find it extremely odd if the pollce searched Goldberg's house whenever Goldberg shoots back rather than Miller's when it starts.

 

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OK, OK. It's confusing. I think a part of Hamas members really want to kill all the Israeli.

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Not a part, the lot. It's in Hamas' charta. That's their purpose.

And it's not only Israelis, it's all Jews everywhere.

They do not differentiate between "evil" Jews and "good" Jews like western liberals do. They hate both middle-eastern and European/American Jews.

 

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Quoting fussyvet, reply 21
OK, OK. It's confusing. I think a part of Hamas members really want to kill all the Israeli.

I was just curious about the man who asked, "Does anyone in their right mind trust UN?", and wanted to ask him.
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thats like saying "part of the nazies want to kill the jews" or "part of the KKK want to kill blacks"... The hamas MOTTO is "drive the jews into the sea", the hamas one and ONLY stated goal is the destruction of israel and killing of all the jews... Just like the KKK's is openly against blacks, and that is in fact its core principle... Actually the hamas is moreso than the KKK because the hamas actually has a written goal, last I checked the KKK did not have orginized documentation.

Is it possible that there was a person who was born to a family where everyone is a member of the KKK, where that person does not beleive in it, but he doesn't have the courage to stand up to his family? yes... But that is a RARE thing. An organization explicitly stating the destruction of a race should be beleived that it really wants it, and all or at the very least almost all its members should be viewed as supporting that...

And what do you mean "complicated" its simple basic english, I am not a native english speaker and I get this.

It will take a while for the world to understand that being an Arab is not an excuse to build a house without a permit. Jews can't do it either, but it's not news when a Jew follows the law.
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Only in the most extreme cases do illegally built houses of arabs get removed, because its such a big deal in international news, only jews pay taxes and get permits, arabs don't. But on occasion they build something so unsafe or in such a place that it HAS to be removed... and of course its all over the news... Because for some reason its evil to require all citizens of a country to obey basic zoning regulations regardless of their race, [sarcasm]only jews and christians and atheists and hindues and beduin and the myrid others should be required to obey zoning regulations, muslims must be allowed to build whatever they want without permits[/sarcasm]

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let us not forget that the "police" in question (UN) has a history of embezzling food donation funds, raping children with impunity, and aiding terrorists.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/081zxelz.asp

See, the UN has NOBODY watching over it, furthermore the UN has TOTAL immunity in any country it operates in. So when UN soldiers rape little children in congo (for example) refugee camps, the local authorities can't do anything because the UN operatives are granted un immunity. Then the UN tries to cover it up, and when it finall blows up they "suspend" a few people... There is no court that could actually do anything, its just an internal un investigation... maybe they will fire someone.

Various U.N. reports and interviews with humanitarian groups suggest that international peacekeeping missions are creating a predatory sexual culture among vulnerable refugees--from relief workers who demand sexual favors in exchange for food to U.N. troops who rape women at gunpoint.

Allegations of sexual abuse or misconduct by U.N. staff stretch back at least a decade, to operations in Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Liberia, and Guinea. A 2001 report, released by the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and Save the Children, found that sexual violence against refugees in West Africa was endemic (though some of its findings were denied by a subsequent U.N. team). A year later a coalition of religious organizations sent a letter to Secretary of State Colin Powell urging the United States to send more human rights monitors into Congo. The U.N. then introduced a "code of conduct" to help prevent future abuses, including prohibitions against sexual activity between staff and children and the exchange of money or food for sex.

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Thats right... the UN staff is now officially no longer allowed to have sex with CHILDREN... i guess raping adults is still fine though.

Almost a year after the MONUC office in Kindu sent a memo in August 2003 to its headquarters in Kinshasa, detailing suspicions of sexual exploitation, the London Independentdiscovered action still hadn't been taken.
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Who are we kidding though... "investigation" is code word for get the fuck off my lawn I aint doing anything. The UN isn't investigating anything, all the scumbags in the UN get away with rape.

Indeed, the international operation in Bunia, home to about 16,000 refugees, threatens to become another monument to U.N. paralysis and failure. Investigators describe a "significant, widespread and ongoing" pattern of abuse at the camp--an astonishing conclusion given that many women are afraid to report sexual violence against them. At least one senior official in charge of security in Bunia is implicated in the scandal, and U.N. peacekeepers allegedly have threatened investigators with retaliation. According to the Economist, a U.N. probe is even considering the possibility that MONUC has been infiltrated by "organized pedophiles who recruit their friends."
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