*blink*  They do have the best mobility in the late game, especially with Entrenchment -- a Kostura can create a temporary phase stabilizer *anywhere* it can shoot, meaning that your opponents have to be ready to defend everywhere once you've established a foothold in their system.

It's also no fun fighting in next to an enemy nano-weapons jammer, watching your supporting capitals be phased out by Marauders, or trying to fight an Orkulus w/ frontal shield, debris vortex, and weapon/armor upgrades.   Or running into mines that Ruiners just happened to drop in inconvenient locations.  Or trying to attrit a Vasari fleet that's using RA to get discounted ships...

Um, I play the Vasari almost exclusively, and they're certainly not weak. Zerging them against enemy fleets isn't the way to win, a bit of Micro and you'll find that their immenent destruction of all other so called intelligent races in the galaxy can not be stopped.

Vasari are not too weak, maybe harder to play.

Vasari have great firepower and really tough ships.

Phase missiles are very powerful, and their cap ships DO support the fleet effectively. Kortul with Volatile Nanites is very dangerous and Skirantra with Repair Cloud is good too.

Their turrets are pretty good and they got very strong SC.

All races are balanced. Rather then whinge that a certain race is weak, figure out how to play as them first.

Odd, I prefer to play Vasari over Advent, which I deem the worst.

With Entrenchment, I got the feeling that TEC is stronger than the others.

Just my observations.

vasari is, in my opinion, the least forgiving race in sins. you have to manage your resources and ships carefully, but when it comes to late game, and all the planning is over, they're freakin deadly. the getting there is the hard part, and thats where *skill* comes in.

Love advent. i do the best with them. Vasari are alright, but they're playstyle doesn't jive with me. i think TEC have sucky economy when they supposedly have hte best but its just my playstyle.

Each race represents a distinct playstyle. playing as a TEC marketing mogul just doesn't cut it for the Unity.

sorry to jump on ths bandwagon but it was to tempting, UR A MORON, first off the visari and way overpowered in late game, theres nothing like watching an enemy build up a choke point just to have it routed from behind, also the vissari fleet if built properly will move fast hit hard, and take a small pounding.  to use the vassari u have to have an assaisins mind set.

The advent, well the advent have culture sheilds and pretty powers of the mind, other than that they are not that tempting to me, reminds me of the damn orai, instead of fighting they just whisper in ur comrades ears and make u fight each other in a way.  to use the advent u have to have a politicans mind set.

The tec are my pick, they dont rely on amazing powers or being able to move around like a mexican jumping bean, no they just rely on BRUTE FORCE SMASH AND FIGHT, sorry for the caps, but the tec resemble the americans a lot, they like to go in an blow the sh** out of everything and they can take one hell of a pounding, in order to use them correctly u have to have a brute mind set.

so to sum it up, they are only as weak as the player playing them, plus u have to figure out what kind of person u are.

Until the next expansion I doubt political skills are going to help much in sins. I think the advent play more like the geth from mass effect (only example that comes to mind) as they get exponentially stronger when their is more of them and in greater variety. One on one all but their caps easily lose to counterparts. Also on a side note I've always thought of Advent as a fusion of the fremen from dune and the amazons.

Lets not forget that since vasari scouts can capture neutrals, you can easily out econ other races early game on larger maps. Makes LRM and/or Carrier rush super easy.

Most the time this is true. You have to get those awesome techs and move them around. With kostura cannon, lvl 6 marauder, an orkulus and/or phase stabilizers, you can literally be anywhere and everywhere. You just have to learn to use that to your advantage.

Hey while im at it, does anyone know if the Kostura destroys SC. I don't think it does, but it would be sweet if it did.

Um...I guess if you think plenty is 1 out of every 10 games. 

Just to play devil's advocate here...

Is this any better than reverie, or ion bolt?  Actually, it's probably a little worse offensively, as you can't damage the phased out ship.  I have never seen a Marauder in multiplayer.

Certainly not any better than advent mines.

Tec have eco to get ships.

Better than the advent caps support their fleet?

More so than a Marza with barrage?

Better than mothership with shield regen?  Also, it's scramble bombers ability sucks.

Are their turrets any better than anyone else's?  And yes, their strikecraft are strong, but they have less of them, so it evens out.

A great ability, but the ship sucks.  It's hard to micro, and when enemy fighers are present (which is always), they get slaughtered.  On the other hand, the tec robo-cruisers demo-bot ability doesn't need to be micro'd (to achieve a similar effect), and they don't drop like flies in the presence of fighters.

Is it better than the tec superweapon?

Advent can see anywhere they have culture.  Tec scouts have a great ability to put a remote sensor on a planet, and it lasts for a long time.

Tec robo-cruisers are better - they repair everything, are cheap, etc.

Tec has a similar area of affect ability.

Again, just playing devil's advocate.

haha, last two posts were great, very entertaining, karma to both of you