Zoologist03

Join Date 04/2004

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Thoughts on the VP Debate

Biden kicked Palin's ass. No question.

How much pandering to the 'Sixpack Joe' and 'hockey moms' can you do, Palin? Christ, I was embarrassed for you. On top of that, she talked to us like we were children....it's insulting. If I hear the word 'maverick' one more God damned time I'm going to snap on someone...is that the only word she fucking knows?

Both of them were pretty heavy on the word, 'fundamental' but I'm pretty sure the count is lower than 'maverick.' I really, really hate buzzwords. Also- "nucular"...Jesus...nuclear, nuclear, NUCLEAR-SAY IT HOW IT'S SPELLED!

Oh, and she hasn't promised anything, she's only been at this for 5 weeks. But she'll promise to "DO WHAT'S RIGHT!" for America. Can you get anymore cliche?

Anywho, there's not much of a contest...Palin was avoiding questions early on. "I may not answer the way Biden or the moderator want me to." What the fuck? Shit, this is a debate! Completely changing the question and topic was pretty damn pathetic as well. Biden was a little guilty of this...but I felt he actually answered more questions than Palin did. He called her out on question dodging too, kudos to Biden.

Palin did the stereotypical 'turn everything into emotion' appeal. Patriotism this, greatest country that...blah, blah, blah...all canned quips and pure bullshit. Biden had facts and statistics...Palin just tried to appeal to whoever she could.

Well, I'm sure the lot of you disagree...but in my opinion, Biden stomped her ass into the ground.

~Zoo

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This isn't going to matter anyway IMO. I'm still waiting to see the focus group results, but the word from the conservative pundits (and most of the so called liberal elitist media) is going to be that she did OK or great. Which considering the super low expectations is certainly true.

If the format had been the same as for the McCain/Obama debate, she would be dead right now, but with only 2 minutes real exchange and almost no followup questions, both of them were able to give their talking points and canned responses without too much interference.

She did way way way better than in her interviews, and I look forward to see more of her, as she said she wants to talk more to the american people going forward! (yeah right...)

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This isn't going to matter anyway IMO

Probably not...but I'm just glad we got to see how Palin works...which is not very well. I've never seen such question dodging during a debate. I like how Biden called her on it. "I didn't hear a plan." and "She didn't answer the question." Calling people on their bullshit is poetry in motion.

She did way way way better than in her interviews,

Yeah, but that's not saying much.

~Zoo

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Biden stomped her ass into the ground.

Amen. Biden gave her a well-earned butt-whuppin'. The show was good; it was more fun that last week's, and I came away all the more assured that Sarah Palin would be BAD for this country.

Calling people on their bullshit is poetry in motion.

And Joe did it so well. This was the Biden I've been expecting to see (and that has been conspicuously absent) since the announcement that he'd run for VP.

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And moreover - the fact that Biden voted AGAINST the aberration that is FISA (the thing that forever killed my support for Obama) makes him that much cooler.

But, I maintain, vote Nader in '08! You all know I am.

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The show was good; it was more fun that last week's,

Definitely...I actually paid attention this time around.

I came away all the more assured that Sarah Palin would be BAD for this country.

Couldn't agree more...she hasn't the faintest idea of what the hell is going on.

But, I maintain, vote Nader in '08!

Keep trying, SanCho...maybe someday.

~Zoo

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Oh, I almost forgot. Did anyone catch the "THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS!" bit she pulled?

Nothing like securing the ignorant redneck vote, I guess.

And that 2nd Holocaust bit? Where the hell did that come from?

~Zoo

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Did anyone catch the "THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS!" bit she pulled?

My favorite line from Palin: 'We'll work with the Talibani'

My favorite line from Biden: 'The Serbians and the Bosniaks'

Boners, both. However, Palin's boner was a bigger bulge that Biden's.

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Boners, both. However, Palin's boner was a bigger bulge that Biden's.

I just got a horrible image in my head.

~Zoo

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Daiwa

Join Date 07/2001

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Nice little circle jerk you got goin' here.

You have to admit, though, that he didn't come close to the fava beans & bottle of chianti all the 'experts' were expecting (and salivating) to see. Whether you are willing to see it or not, she held her own.

Biden is a slippery chameleon without any core principles I can deduce from his words or actions, least of all tonight's. I would trust Biden to do one thing and one thing only - whatever looks like it might be good for Joe Biden. I have zero faith that he (or Obama, FTM) can be trusted to do the right thing as opposed to what he calculates to be the politically expedient thing.

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To paraphrase the moderator and the Republican veep:

Mod: "What do you think about the economy?"
Veep: "In Alaska..."

Mod: "What do you think about energy?"
Veep: "In Alaska..."

Mod: "What do you think about the war in Iraq?"
Veep: "In Alaska..."

Aaaargh! I don't necessarily have a problem with Palin, but she's going to expand her horizons beyond the Alaskan borders.

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Island Dog

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She did very well considering Biden has been a Washington insider for over 30 years....ya know, the change we need. Biden was a typical Washington, he had so much BS in that debate, too bad the media won't call him on it.

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I didn't watch the debate but watched an old movie on DVD instead. It was an old Robert Redford and George Segal hiest flick, The Hot Rock. I enjoyed it immensely.

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Analyzing the Analysis of the debate: I think Charles did a much better job of trying to present the debate in a neutral light, but his bias did come through in his opinion (duh, right? What else is an opinion) of the over all winner.

Zoo's was strictly a Ms. America standard where there was no analystical attempt at what was said, or the context. Something you would read from one of the candidates' campaign spokesman.

Aldri7 has the best analysis so far. He scores a win for Biden, but then clearly states his own bias, and attempts to look at the debate from the view of the undecideds (which after all is the only audience either was playing for).

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Nice little circle jerk you got goin' here.

Well, you right wingers get enough of them...thought we'd have one to change it up a bit.

Whether you are willing to see it or not, she held her own.

If 'held her own' means not saying "Fuck it." and running off stage, then sure. I know you honestly can't say that she was good at this.

I don't necessarily have a problem with Palin, but she's going to expand her horizons beyond the Alaskan borders.

Alaska's the only thing she has some idea about...so it was her fall back position. When it doubt(which was a lot) compare it to Alaska. It was a move of desperation.

Oh...change huh? Who's campaign did I hear that from?...hmm...

If by change you want some random person that doesn't know a damn thing, then sure. It can't possibly turn out bad.

Also, what politician doesn't bullshit? Biden did it well, Palin's was shallow as hell. "Maverick, maverick, maverick. OMG John McCain is the coolest! I'm from Alaska, let's talk about Alaska. Hey there average American I like you and I"m going to pander to you and make you feel special. I'm going to dodge all the questions in this debate like they were feces thrown by a chimp. TERRORISTS HATE OUR FREEDOMS LOL."

Yeah...I'm so confident in her leadership abilities.

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Island Dog

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Yeah...I'm so confident in her leadership abilities

You should be, as she's 100 times more qualified than Obama. Too bad she didn't bring up William Ayers.

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Zoo's was strictly a Ms. America standard where there was no analystical attempt at what was said, or the context. Something you would read from one of the candidates' campaign spokesman.

I'm not analyzing anything....nor do I pretend to be. Just my thoughts, that's all...oh and being an unbridled asshole.

Ya'll know I didn't like Palin going into it...she didn't change my mind in slightest. I wasn't even sure of who the hell Biden was going in, now I have a small idea.

I'm not sure if I have a Ms. America standard...perhaps answering questions is too high of a standard? If she would've done that, then I'd go a lot easier on her...but seriously...it sucked all the way around.

I didn't rip on John McCain in his debate nor do I think Obama won it. I'm not a rabid fan or enemy of either party...I just genuinely think Palin sucked and I express it with colorful language.

~Zoo

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You should be, as she's 100 times more qualified than Obama.

She's shown me nothing to instill that kind of confidence.

Too bad she didn't bring up William Ayers.

If she did, I say Biden would have to ask what kind of saddle Jesus used to ride the dinosaurs around.

~Zoo

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I also pointed out my opinion was somewhat bias, I gave Biden the benefit of the doubt. I just still incline more towards McCain (even if not my main choice) and what he said just didn't convince me otherwise. That's just how I feel.

Zoo pretty much had these feeling before he even saw the debate so I am not surprised to see this article at all. I think this article was over the top against Palin but, this is America and people have the right to like or dislike someone regardless.

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Me, over the top? You don't say.

I knew Palin would do this, so I was prepared to be a gratuitous ass. I sort of wished she could have eased my opinion of her...but, no such luck.

~Zoo

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Daiwa

Join Date 07/2001

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Ya'll know I didn't like Palin going into it...she didn't change my mind in slightest.

My take is that your mind was closed; I doubt anything less than a Gettysburg equivalent would have swayed you, if that. Not that that's a bad thing.

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I'm not analyzing anything....nor do I pretend to be. Just my thoughts, that's all...oh and being an unbridled asshole.

I was not suggesting what you should do, only how I read the reviews. As I freely admit I did not see it, I did not want to hear what the spin was from each campaign, or who the partisans were. Over all, I like Aldri7's review the best as being the most informative to "an undecided". I did not even comment on most of the comments as I knew the leaning of the commentors prior to reading their analysis (as I knew yours and Charles).

While you claim not to be analyzing, that in essence what you wrote. It was not a hit piece, but just your perception of the debate. If you had sung Palin's praise, then I would have started looking for anyone that was trashing her to see how big she won.

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My take is that your mind was closed; I doubt anything less than a Gettysburg equivalent would have swayed you, if that. Not that that's a bad thing.

Haha! My mind's not as closed as you might think. It has rusty hinges...but it'll swing open if pushed. Palin just didn't do it for me. I don't think I would ever switch over and support her...but she had the potential to go up a few notches in my book...she failed in that respect.

Admittedly I did expect her to crash and burn...and she did surprise me that she didn't flip her shit. She got through it, but that doesn't make it good and I'm holding her to the same standard as the other candidates. She's not getting an A for effort in my book, because this isn't about trying hard...this is the number 2 seat for the highest office in the country and I expect a candidate that can handle that. I don't see it in her, especially not after that debate. Biden may be a bullshitter....but damned if he isn't good at it.

While you claim not to be analyzing, that in essence what you wrote

Well, you're right...perhaps I should clarify. I'm not objectively analyzing the debate, just my thoughts on the debate. There is bias, of course...but I'd rip into a Democrat if I got a similar performance to what Palin put on.

Biden seems pretty capable, Palin looked like a first grader doing their first oral presentation- nervous, drifting off topic(on purpose), and saying stupid crap.

If you had sung Palin's praise, then I would have started looking for anyone that was trashing her to see how big she won.

If I ever sing Palin's praise, then either she had me kidnapped and brainwashed or she performed some sort of miracle...for instance, raising the dead. ---->

~Zoo

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My Democratic biased ripping of Palin got featured? Holy crap!

Thank you to which ever mod deemed me fit for that. Going for a balance in viewpoints, I imagine...glad to be a part of it.

~Zoo

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My Democratic biased ripping of Palin got featured? Holy crap!

Please dont! I dont like the small of crap in the morning! Even if it is blessed by a holy man!

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Daiwa

Join Date 07/2001

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for instance, raising the dead

Well... raising something, anyway.

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