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Gay Marriage

June 12, 2008 11:39:57 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

As long as a man with a vasectomy can civilly marry a woman with a hysterectomy - both of them divorced atheists - I can see no reason to prevent gays from marrying civilly and enjoying all the rights, privileges, & responsibilities as the first couple.

Discuss politely, please

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Reply #1 June 13, 2008 9:06:03 AM
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I think marriage is about partnership not procreation.  I have no problem whatsoever with gay marriage.  If they love each other and want to commit to each other, who am I to tell them no? 

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Reply #2 June 16, 2008 5:31:45 PM
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Amen to that

 

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Reply #3 June 16, 2008 5:35:42 PM
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My firends are gay, and there is no difference between them and any of my other friends except for who they love, which affects no one besides themselves.  Not letting gay people get married because they dont like people with certain stereotypes that are often not true(you honestly would have no way of knowing the two friends i am talking about were gay unless you asked them).  Legalizing intolerance and prejudice is the most idiotic thing i have ever heard, and yet politicians actually believe it is a reasonable position. *sigh*

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Reply #4 June 16, 2008 5:36:13 PM
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My firends are gay, and there is no difference between them and any of my other friends except for who they love, which affects no one besides themselves.  Not letting gay people get married because they dont like people with certain stereotypes that are often not true(you honestly would have no way of knowing the two friends i am talking about were gay unless you asked them).  Legalizing intolerance and prejudice is the most idiotic thing i have ever heard, and yet politicians actually believe it is a reasonable position. *sigh*

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Reply #5 June 16, 2008 6:16:21 PM
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Legalizing intolerance? What the heck? Intolerance is always legal. You force it, or the lack of it, and all you create is war.

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Reply #6 June 17, 2008 11:47:14 AM
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Huh?

 

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Reply #7 June 20, 2008 4:53:46 AM
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Our country is based on God and Christianity. And God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I hate the idea of gay marriage but I think it will eventually be allowed because someone will eventually use the 3 Freedoms as an excuse to perform it

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Reply #8 June 20, 2008 10:25:03 AM
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Our country is based on God and Christianity. And God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.


Actually God didn't make Adam and Eve. That is just the Hebrew creation story like every culture has a creation story. That doesn't mean you can learn from it but there was no Adam and Eve.

Our country is based on freedom to worship or not worship as you please not having the majority force their religion on the non-believers.
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Reply #9 June 20, 2008 3:00:05 PM
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Quoting Locamama,
Our country is based on freedom to worship or not worship as you please not having the majority force their religion on the non-believers.

Let me quote part of the Pledge of Allegiance "Under God, Indivisble"

It doesnt say under Buddah, or Under Allah. It says God, which is the Hebrew God and I believe the one true God, but I dont want to get in a religious debate.

Everyone on this earth was created by a Man and a Woman, that is physically how you make a child dont you think(Whatever God you believe) if gay marriage was ok that He would have made it possible to concieve a child that way?

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Reply #10 June 20, 2008 9:29:18 PM
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So you're against the atheists marrying? I didn't pick my heterosexual couple out of a hat...

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Reply #11 June 22, 2008 11:02:31 AM
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Quoting shortyjjb9,

but I dont want to get in a religious debate.

Your entire position is based on religion and that is the only reason this topic has become an issue in america today. Also you talk about conception well it's not like if they are married all of a sudden a sharp decrease will happen in babies born each year. So yeah why does homosexual marriage matter it doesn't affect your busineess, religious, or normal day life why does it matter?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Reply #12 June 30, 2008 6:45:09 AM
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Our country is based on God and Christianity. And God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I hate the idea of gay marriage but I think it will eventually be allowed because someone will eventually use the 3 Freedoms as an excuse to perform it


Our country was also founded on the work of slaves and the theft of land that didn't belong to us. To argue for anything on solely historical merits instead of of any inherent value is absurd.
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Reply #13 July 2, 2008 10:26:53 PM
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What is wrong with love in any form if it is mutual.  Ignorance unfortunately is not bliss as it hurts people.  I also think the real issue is symantics.  It is not necessary to call it marriage.  Gays aren't straight so maybe partners or some other useless politically correct name would do.  The real point is to give the same rights to two people who commit to each other for better or worse richer or poorer and in sickness and in health, God or whatever that higher power is called is the judge of this not me.

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Reply #14 July 25, 2008 11:32:40 AM
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Our country is based on God and Christianity. And God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I hate the idea of gay marriage but I think it will eventually be allowed because someone will eventually use the 3 Freedoms as an excuse to perform it


Our country is NOT based on God and Christianity. The notion that we are somehow a "Christian Nation" is just plain wrong. Go back and re-read our founding documents. Our founding fathers took great pains to make sure that our government and religion were two separate entities.

No where in our constitution is the word God or Christianity mentioned. There is but one reference to "our creator" is in the Declaration of Independence but it doesn't specify any religion. There is a very good reason why religion is NOT associated with our government, our founding fathers saw what mixing religion and government does, that is part of what they were rebelling against. In fact a few of our founding fathers were athiests (Ben Franklin most notably) and many of the rest were NOT Christians but rather diests meaning they believed in a God but no specific religion.

As for the original topic of gay marriage, what is marriage but a lifelong commitment between two people who love each other? And as such ALL people, gay and straight, should be allowed to marry. It's that simple. The argument that being gay isn't natural because two gay people can't conceive a child is insane. As others have pointed out if the point of marriage is to have children then my marriage should be terminated because neither my wife nor I want to conceive (I have actually gotten a vasectomy to prevent pregnancy). What about couples that are simply unable to conceive should they not be allowed to marry? It just doesn't make sense to pin the requirement of marrage on ability to conceive. If two people love each other that should be enough.
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Reply #15 July 25, 2008 12:38:52 PM
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shortyjjb9


This nation may have been predominately christiant, but given that a large reason why people came to the colonies was to practice whatever religion they chose, then I would say that America was not founded as a Christian nation.

 

Gays/Lesbians should have the same right to marry (who they want), period. It's religion run amock otherwise.

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Reply #16 August 20, 2008 4:45:41 PM
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The way I see it, let the individual churches decide if they want to marry gay couples. Marriage is religious (if it isn't it's a civil union). The government interfering with religion against the law, and not just any law, the Constitution.

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Reply #17 August 20, 2008 5:57:44 PM
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What is wrong with love in any form if it is mutual.

That's what pedophiles say...

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Reply #18 August 22, 2008 2:08:07 PM
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Marriage is religious

Unfortunately no it's not.  I got married in a court house because neither my wife nor I are religious and we didn't want a big wedding.  Our marriage is still valid though.  Marriage is a legal contract which is part of the reason why divorces can be so messy, they can be caused by breaches in that contract.

That's what pedophiles say...

In a pedophiles case the love is NOT mutual.  The children are not old enough to make that decision or understand those feelings and therefore the love is simply not mutual.

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