Do Blacks really hate all Whites?

We can learn from the past, or dwell in it. The latter never accomplishes anything.

I agree, but the outpouring of hate I saw makes me believe the blacks will never forgive what happened to them hundreds of years ago. None of them alive today, neither the slaves nor the owners of the slaves.

This is one of those 2 wrongs don't make a right situation where Black people feel 2 wrongs do make a right because they believe they have the right to do so. They claim people like Wright and now Pfleger tell it like it is. OK, I will do the same. They need to let go, they need to stop bringing racism back to life. Don't they know how to be the better man? Call me racist for all I care, I am part African, something I was unaware of before. So I would like to see if someone wants to call me racist now.

well I can't speak for all blacks but I've only met really one close friend since I've moved here to Florida and she's black.  Her family comes from Trinidad and we hit it off almost immediately.  Now I'm talking to her about maybe visiting the place of her birth someday.

From a Christian POV (and we're both strong Christains) we don't see race.  Or if we do, we'd see only one...the human race. 

I really would have to question these men's Christian beliefs because what I've seen thus far doesn't show me they are exhibiting Christian character.  Christ said the world would recognize that we belong to him by the love we show others.....not hate. 

 

 

 

 

well for sure I don't believe for a minute all black people hate whites, but to see hundreds of them on television cheering racist remarks aimed at white people does cause me to pause and see how much influence race baiters like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan have over their own brothers and sisters.

Well I have not seen any love come out of that church for sure. Not a drop.

I lived the better part of my youth with blacks and Puerto Ricans and yes we had our problem, but such unbridled hatred I never really experienced, except from the Roman Catholics when they found out I was Jewish.

Well, you aint gonna have any problems with this Catholic Puerto Rican, that's for sure.

Your brother works for me. He is a Jewish Puerto Rican - or as he sometimes claims - the second perfect Jew.

I just saw the title, so that's what I'm-a comment on.

Nope.  My little sister doesn't hate white people!

 

She hates "mexicans."  That means anyone with Latin blood.  Like me.

Ah, racism, without it we'd...all...get along.  Can't have that.

It makes one wonder if this is the 'change' Obama is going to bring?

MM, good to see you up and about again!

People seem to like to hate or at least cast their anger onto someone else. If I can do that I'm not responsible for my 'lacking.'

Maybe it is more of that change he brings?

Did your Klan get $15mil in grants from US gov't to 'do good work'? TUCOC did for their childcare.

Hi Elie!  I have to come back to this when I have more time for a thoughtful response. I'm running out to pick up my baby from school so later!

Slavery ended 150 years ago, lynchings (en masse) ended about 40 years ago.  They are certainly in the past, but they have had long lasting effects on us all.  Black people can feel it most, and it can make us angry.

 

But not all black people hate everything white. African-Americans still have some issues that can often come out, but black people from other countries are less likely to have the same issues.  Also, younger generations who never saw the sixties and the hatred embodied there are less likely to have issues with any culture.

 

From a Christian POV, I do see race.  I don't use it for any other purpose than to help me understand my fellow man and I can serve him/her better.

One interesting thing about slavery that you hardly hear mentioned is that other blacks (possibly rival tribes) are the people that captured and sold the slaves to the white (mostly Dutch) slavers. The white guys didn't go into the jungle; they waited on the docks, with the cash, beads, and trinkets, whatever. So blacks are equally responsible, at least in some respects. Besides, before the whites ever came these tribes would often make slaves of conquers enemies. Whites do not have a monopoly on slavery. In fact every race has been or held slaves at some point in history. Unfortunately for blacks they happened to be the last group of peoples to suffer that fate (which was well documented), and it still exists in some parts of Africa today. Where is the outcry?

Now Michael Pfleger wants me to give up my 401k even though my family arrived in the US in the early 20th century! I'm white so I must be guilty. Part of my white entitlement i guess. When I went to college I didn't qualify for grants or low interest minority loans, I had been passed up for promotions so a less qualified minority could be promoted. I was refused housing once because my income wasn't low enough (at the time it felt low to me). Is this my white entitlement that blacks are so envious of? Nobody ever gave me a thing because I am white, but I have been refused for that same reason. I don't hate blacks or any other minority for it, it's the system that’s broken. Wish I could have had the education Obama and his wife received, my folks were just not quite poor enough or minority enough to afford it. I sure hope nobody ever has to suffer through white entitlement it’s a drag. Maybe I just don't know the secret handshake...could anyone help a brother out?

first of all, it seems a bit over the top to assume that all blacks refuse to forgive. i live in boston, and you should see how disgusting these white guys get over their sports teams - and yet, true-heart that i am, and white, i am still a die-hard packers fan. do you hear me, favre? nothing you can do will shake my faith!

second, it stands to reason that some blacks have had a worse go at american life than other blacks since honest abe restored a semblance of order to our proud nation. trust is a little thin on both sides of the wall. but it so happens that some blacks and some whites have journeyed into the middle-ground war zone.

mostly, though, i think it's hard to overcome a grudge. especially a good one. i can't stand the eagles after what they did to the packers on 4th and 26 in the playoffs all those years ago. and i nurse that grudge even though i KNOW football doesn't mean more than a tinker's curse. one-fifty years doesn't seem that long to me when you think of where the black community gets their grudge. things will have to change a lot before the grudge goes away for good.

i mean, really! i just read a post equating the short-sighted brutal racism of the KKK to the angry racism of Trinity United! things do change. but very, very s-l-o-w-l-y. right, little whip?

taboo

Cityguy, good response! 

 

Taboo, I hear ya about the equating what the KKK did and what is going on now, the grudge that is seemingly on a never-ending long rope, are two different things!  In that, the physical abuse and atrociousness that went on for years, even after slavery, well, how is that comparable especially since the hate goes on still, and now on both sides!  But as I've said, two wrongs don't make a right.  And while one keeps meteing out the hatred, the other will continue to feel persecuted!

 

While many of those in the congregation didn't go through slavery, I didn't either, there are still things happening today that continues to feed the hate (and yes, on both sides).  I could sit and list some of them, but I won't bother. 

 

So many of us like to think that we are not racist, but we all have something in us that we dislike about someone of another race, we don't hide it when we're with friends, we don't hide it when we're at home, so tell me, when and where will it end?  It's always going to be there!  It has to start with one of us, and only then will the difference be felt!  Talking about it does nothing, action will!  But for many of us, we're too scared to go out on a limb because we don't know how we will be perceived by our neighbors, even worse, our friends and family!

 

The constant reminder of blacks having receive education for free, and living off the system, the continuous pervasiveness of this type of talk is the very reason why there won't be any changes.  Many years ago, after slavery, when the government realise what they did to the very people who were their citizens - slavery, they did the only thing they could do to make amends! 

Unfortunately, what they did, and how they did it, was just a bandaid that cannot cover the gaping wound that still exists!  If it was handled in a way, with much thought and vision (into what the future might be - we're all living it!) instead of a quick fix to make themselves feel better and give a big pat on the back, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in today!

 

Blacks, some blacks, wouldn't feel the entitlement, and wouldn't be so dependent on the very system that made their grandmothers that way, and while some might have the gumption to crawl out of it, so many don't have that stamina or goal, and so they sit and they wallow, and they grow resentful, even at their very own who try to shine and seek better for themselves!  Who is to blame?  I don't know?  But no "whilte people" no, all blacks do not hate you , and all blacks do not think the same way.  This is just something that is going to have to continue to play itself out, and somehow I think it is a good thing, because we do need to have these discussions. We do need to wake up and get over ourselves, all of us, and not be so damn kittish and pc about what we talk about in order to get this out of the way!  Because only then will we make progress!

 

 

 

 

 

Not the ones I've dated.

Ah, you poor soul! :LOL:

I REALLY know how you feel - Raider fan in Deadskin land!

Its called the "Black Card" I don't think black people even care about their ancestors being slaves. They are just milking the situation to get more freebies in life.

the word "entitlement" is a loaded term . . .



who feels entitled, a black person who demands the right to an education or the white person who demands the right to an education?

the answer is both, of course. the black guy FEELS entitled to those reparations that are due; without them, he cannot legitimately PURSUE life and liberty. meanwhile, the white guy, having committed no crime in his lifetime, FEELS he cannot legitimately PURSUE life and liberty while having to pay reparations for the crimes committed by others.

throughout, the debate over "politically correct" continues. some say, "what is the point of not telling it like it is?" others say, "that's not polite." but the real PC battle isn't about truth or politeness. it's about language, and the argument for truth.

everyone has a sense of entitlement. we all think what we see is the truth. PC is a battle for our own mythologies, not for the "way things are."



within one system of mythology, this makes sense; in another, there is an unbalanced equation because "blacks living off the system" is code for "blacks created by the system." you can say "the past is past, now is now, so fk you" if you want; but the problem remains. entitled to the PURSUIT requires an active relation to the means of production; but in the united states, at least, slavery was the MODE of production and black people were the cattle.

black people were built into our system in the same way oil is built into our system now. we can't just say, okay black folks, you can leave your harnesses at the door - go get in line with everyone else. we just create messy problems that way, don't we? white people resent the fact that we're standing in line with cattle ("they're taking all our jobs, they are!") and black people have to relearn who they are.

that's the problem with your concept of black entitlement. it means, they feel entitled to what white people in the USA have always felt entitled: the pursuit. but they don't have the necessary identity - the active relation to the means of production.

taboo

LW,



well, i agree with you. but there isn't a real "melting pot" experience in the USA anymore - if there ever was one. within larger communities, smaller communities will form around a sense of common identity, and then they will try to protect themselves. am i happy about the existence of an angry black racist church community? no. but i would say that, antagonistic as trinity united is toward me, their method of "protecting" themselves is considerably more civil and tolerant than the KKK's method of "protecting" themselves - and the source of trinity united's antagonism seems more justified as well.

taboo

Tell that to Walter E. Williams, L. Douglas Wilder, Thomas Sowell, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas, Michael Steele, etc.

Dont expect to get an answer too fast though. They are too busy PURSUING life, liberty, happiness, etc.

rice was brought up "in a middle-class, black community called Titusville, where education was a high priority for children who were expected to succeed regardless of any prejudices or boundaries."

thomas: "In 1964, the year the Civil Rights Act was enacted, Thomas' grandfather withdrew him from the all-black parochial high school he was attending and sent him to an all-white Catholic boarding school in Savannah, St. John Vianny Minor Seminary. Despite being confronted with racism, Thomas made excellent grades and played on the school's football team. Thomas' grandfather sent Clarence to Immaculate Conception Seminary in northwestern Missouri after his graduation from high school in 1967."



how one is raised has an effect on one's ability to pursue life and liberty. you named seven people, and they have all experienced high degrees of success. you could name seven people at the other end of the spectrum who would also like to pursue life and liberty as well, but they have very little chance of doing so.

but in any case, this isn't the point, is it? the question is about entitlement, and about the mythologies to which we subscribe. you write an article called "Do Blacks Really Hate all Whites?" and my response is to point out how your mythology is just as generalizing and subjective as the one pontificated by wright. your beliefs - yours and his - come from living lives filled with very different experiences. i would also argue that wright's mythology is probably very different from colin powell's. wouldn't you?

taboo

The difference is in the part of yoru statement I quoted. Those looking for a handout will look a long time, and whine a lot. Those who decide to do something, accomplish it - and they did not get favortism or "reparations" to get there.

You are right, it is attitude. But attitude is not going to be changed by any kind of entitlement. It is something you have or do not, and it has nothing to do with skin color or creed.