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Do Blacks really hate all Whites?

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Do Blacks really hate all Whites?

The more I see, the more I wonder.

from JoeUser Forums

After watching several "sermons" delivered at the Holy Trinity Church A couple delivered by Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the most recent by a Catholic priest named Michael Pfleger, all of them with a definite racist slant with an outpouring of hatred for the white race.

I could not help but notice the amount of enthusiasm the predominate black audience showed, leaping about, screaming amen as more hatred was spewed on the white race. I cannot help but wonder, is this how the black race really sees us? As devils that need to be put down like an animal in the dog pound? With attitudes like this can there ever be a true coming together of the races?

I can understand the anger over slavery, it was a despicable time in American history, but none of these people were slaves, none of their parents were slaves, the blacks have more opportunity for advancement than white folk have simply because they are black. Slavery ended more than 150 years ago, it might be time to get over it.

Hatred breeds more hatred, when will it end?

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

One interesting thing about slavery that you hardly hear mentioned is that other blacks (possibly rival tribes) are the people that captured and sold the slaves to the white (mostly Dutch) slavers. The white guys didn't go into the jungle; they waited on the docks, with the cash, beads, and trinkets, whatever. So blacks are equally responsible, at least in some respects. Besides, before the whites ever came these tribes would often make slaves of conquers enemies.

Hmmm...not sure where you have conversations.  Black people here (in the USA) talk about it all the time when anyone talks about going to Africa or HIV in Africa.  You have any proof that no one mentions it?

 

Its called the "Black Card" I don't think black people even care about their ancestors being slaves. They are just milking the situation to get more freebies in life.

 

Bullshit! Crawl back in the backwards hole you came from.  It's not a card.  I can't be black when it's convienent and not black when it's hard.  And it can be hard.  I was walking with my infant son less than a month ago when I heard 'fuckin' nigger' hurled from a passing car.  Where was my 'black card' then? I would dismiss it if it were the only time it happened, but happens about once every other month.  If that's what someone feels like saying in the safety of their passing car, God only knows what things are like in other situations.

 

black people were built into our system in the same way oil is built into our system now. we can't just say, okay black folks, you can leave your harnesses at the door - go get in line with everyone else. we just create messy problems that way, don't we? white people resent the fact that we're standing in line with cattle ("they're taking all our jobs, they are!") and black people have to relearn who they are.

 

Taboo, you make really great points.

 

The difference is in the part of yoru statement I quoted. Those looking for a handout will look a long time, and whine a lot. Those who decide to do something, accomplish it - and they did not get favortism or "reparations" to get there. You are right, it is attitude. But attitude is not going to be changed by any kind of entitlement. It is something you have or do not, and it has nothing to do with skin color or creed.

 

Therein lies your myth. The majority of people receiving gov't handouts are not black.  Yes, they make up a disproportionate amount but not the majority.  So are you also saying that white people or any other ethnicity doesn't whine about their circumstances?

Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Therein lies your myth. The majority of people receiving gov't handouts are not black.


Better re-read my statement. Pay close attention to this part:

It is something you have or do not, and it has nothing to do with skin color or creed.


I was not talking black or white, purple charteuse green or lavender. I was talking attitude. Those that have it, succeed. So if you (the royal you) are looking for a crutch, you will never go anywhere. If you are determined to succeed, you probably will, and at least you will be a lot closer to doing so than those who are sitting and whining.
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Reply #28 from Stardock Forums Top

And your point is?

 

The point there was that I don't have a 'get of out jail' race card.  Not that racism doesn't exist but that race, particularly being black, is not some sort of convience.

 

I was not talking black or white, purple charteuse green or lavender. I was talking attitude. Those that have it, succeed. So if you (the royal you) are looking for a crutch, you will never go anywhere. If you are determined to succeed, you probably will, and at least you will be a lot closer to doing so than those who are sitting and whining.

 

Sure, I definitely see your point.  Sorry I didn't say that before. But trying doesn't guarentee you getting any closer to being out of your circumstance.


Ironically, in my experience in inner-city non-profits that try to help the less fortunate, no one wants to be poor or on gov't assistance, at least for the most part.  No one wants to live in the projects.  The irony is that one's you probably call 'whiners' are the educated black people who look at the current situation and say it is in need of change.  They are not the same one's who are languishing at the bottom of our economic food chain.


The overall point, going to my first post, is that this spot in our economy has disproportionatly reserved for blacks and hispanics. While there is a huge degree of personal responsibility to be had, our current system does not make it any easier when you do take responsibility.  In my old position, I say it all the time.

Reply #30 from Stardock Forums Top

Lots of good stuff being said while I was gone, taboo really hit the nail on the head several times. I stated in a previous response that "I don't believe for one moment that all blacks hate all whites", my title is a question. What I saw at Trinity United was as awful as a skinhead rally or a Nazi rally the way the audience behaved.

Little whips point of how can we believe that Obama who seems to surround himself with race haters and claims ignorance of the whole deal is a little hard to believe. Obama seems to be a very smart and well educated man, aware of his surroundings, I find it impossible to believe he does not in some way have some racist leanings himself.

There are always assholes that are going to call blacks niggers for no reason, just like I was called kike and hymie and Jewboy for no reason other than I am Jewish. Come to think of it it was Jesse Jackson a Blackman that refered to Jews in New York City as Hymietown.. There will be race haters and race baiters till the end of my life time I believe the best we can hope for is to come to small general understandings between the few of us here, Black, White, Latino, Asian, whatever, that we are all not that different and treat one another with some respect and if we have disagreements let them be on issues, NOT RACE OR RELIGION!

Reply #31 from Stardock Forums Top

Little whips point of how can we believe that Obama who seems to
surround himself with race haters and claims ignorance of the whole
deal is a little hard to believe. Obama seems to be a very smart and
well educated man, aware of his surroundings, I find it impossible to
believe he does not in some way have some racist leanings himself.




Let's think about this for a sec. What IF this were true? What if Obama IS ignorant about this whole deal?



Here is a man that is trying to portray himself as someone with good judgement even condemning Bush, McCain, etc for poor judgement. What does this say about HIS (Obama's) judgement if he doesn't even know the people he has surrounded himself around?



Rezco verdict: Guilty. There is some evidence linking Obama in there. Obama may become the first DNC nominee to end up in jail while campaigning for President!




Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
But trying doesn't guarentee you getting any closer to being out of your circumstance.


No, but not trying gets you nowhere. There is no guarantee of success. There is a guarantee of failure - to not try.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
Let's think about this for a sec. What IF this were true? What if Obama IS ignorant about this whole deal?


good point AD. So what you're saying is "why in the world would we want to vote for someone like Obama who doesn't know what's going on even in his own church (forget about a whole country) after being a part of this church for 20 years?"

It sounds like a lose-lose situation here. Either he really does know and is lying about it to disengage himself for political gain or he really is ignorant and not aware of what's been going on right under his nose even after shelling out thousands of dollars to this institution.

Now, do we want him to be a steward of our hard earned bucks if he can't even be a good steward of his own? He's already said he wants to raise taxes. Do we trust his decisions? What does he have to show us he can even make good decisions?

So far I'm not impressed.





Reply #34 from Stardock Forums Top

So what you're saying is "why in the world would we want to vote for someone like Obama who doesn't know what's going on even in his own church (forget about a whole country) after being a part of this church for 20 years?"


Sure KFC, but how many of us who go to church see an immoral downfall coming? If we have a pastor who has a moral failure, does that automatically disqulify us? I have been a part of churches that  I did not fully embrace.  Even Piper says no church is perfect. But it may not be for a while that something this extreme happens.

Reply #35 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting KFC, reply 39
Let's think about this for a sec. What IF this were true? What if Obama IS ignorant about this whole deal?good point AD. So what you're saying is "why in the world would we want to vote for someone like Obama who doesn't know what's going on even in his own church (forget about a whole country) after being a part of this church for 20 years?" It sounds like a lose-lose situation here. Either he really does know and is lying about it to disengage himself for political gain or he really is ignorant and not aware of what's been going on right under his nose even after shelling out thousands of dollars to this institution. Now, do we want him to be a steward of our hard earned bucks if he can't even be a good steward of his own? He's already said he wants to raise taxes. Do we trust his decisions? What does he have to show us he can even make good decisions? So far I'm not impressed.

you comment about doc guys comment is right to the point. either way. After 20 years he claims ignorance of any racism in Trinity United, either he is a liar or totally unconscious. Is this the kind of man we want running our country?

Reply #36 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting little-whip, reply 41
BTW Sabrina, how are you? You had surgery recently, right?Yes, cg, thanks for asking. I'm healing, (albeit slowly) and have a way to go with physical therapy, having lost a good deal of flexibility in my right wrist. Other than that, I'm just hanging in there, waiting for the next thing to go wrong, haha.Good news yesterday, (for once!) It doesn't look like I have macular degeneration, but we won't know for sure until I have a second test in 6 months so they can compare results. That one had me scared...And while I'm babbling off-topic, Elie, could you try to give me a call this afternoon? I had something important to tell you the last time we spoke and it totally slipped my mind. (bad me, baa'aad me!)

Sure, since I know your hand hurts to much to dial my phone.. eh eh eh eh eh!!!!

Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sure KFC, but how many of us who go to church see an immoral downfall coming? If we have a pastor who has a moral failure, does that automatically disqulify us? I have been a part of churches that I did not fully embrace. Even Piper says no church is perfect. But it may not be for a while that something this extreme happens.


If a church is preaching heresy you shouldn't need 20 years to figure this out. Usually a few months will suffice. Then you have the decision to make. Do I stay because I like the people and enjoy the friendships or do I leave because I'm contributing to..in this case a "hate filled" atmosphere from the very top? This preacher just didn't start ranting and raving. This church has a racist history behind it, so it's not brand new. It's only coming to the forefront now because of Obama's participation in it.

You should go to a particular church because they best represent what you believe. And for 20 years we can now see quite clealy where Obama has aligned himself.

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Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
Opens champagne and marks the date on her calender. KFC and I agree on something!


:SURPRISED:
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't hate all blacks. I don't hate all whites.

I hate everybody.

My misanthropy is universal, babeh.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting KFC, reply 44
Sure KFC, but how many of us who go to church see an immoral downfall coming? If we have a pastor who has a moral failure, does that automatically disqulify us? I have been a part of churches that I did not fully embrace. Even Piper says no church is perfect. But it may not be for a while that something this extreme happens.If a church is preaching heresy you shouldn't need 20 years to figure this out. Usually a few months will suffice. Then you have the decision to make. Do I stay because I like the people and enjoy the friendships or do I leave because I'm contributing to..in this case a "hate filled" atmosphere from the very top? This preacher just didn't start ranting and raving. This church has a racist history behind it, so it's not brand new. It's only coming to the forefront now because of Obama's participation in it. You should go to a particular church because they best represent what you believe. And for 20 years we can now see quite clealy where Obama has aligned himself.

all excellent points!!! give yourself a giant cookie for a very insightful thought, well presented!

Reply #41 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting SanChonino, reply 47
I don't hate all blacks. I don't hate all whites.I hate everybody.My misanthropy is universal, babeh.

Now here is a man after my own heart! hahahahahahahahaha

Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
Opens champagne and marks the date on her calender. KFC and I agree on something!


oh please LW.....be honest. It's not "quite" the first if you'll admit to it.

Besides, is it really that bad?  ;p  

all excellent points!!! give yourself a giant cookie for a very insightful thought, well presented!


thanks! I'm not sure how to give myself that giant cookie. Maybe that's good since it's not too good for my waistline anyhow...heh!

Reply #43 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting KFC, reply 50
Opens champagne and marks the date on her calender. KFC and I agree on something!oh please LW.....be honest. It's not "quite" the first if you'll admit to it. Besides, is it really that bad?    all excellent points!!! give yourself a giant cookie for a very insightful thought, well presented!thanks! I'm not sure how to give myself that giant cookie. Maybe that's good since it's not too good for my waistline anyhow...heh!

A "cookie" is joeuser euphemism for a pat on the back for good works.

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Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
A "cookie" is joeuser euphemism for a pat on the back for good works.


You could give Karma.
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top

If a church is preaching heresy you shouldn't need 20 years to figure this out. Usually a few months will suffice. Then you have the decision to make. Do I stay because I like the people and enjoy the friendships or do I leave because I'm contributing to..in this case a "hate filled" atmosphere from the very top? This preacher just didn't start ranting and raving. This church has a racist history behind it, so it's not brand new. It's only coming to the forefront now because of Obama's participation in it.


Hmmm...Can you remind me of what Wright said that was heresy? Are you sure it was 'hated-filled' 20 years ago?  I lived near the church for a while in Chicago and racism is not what it was known for.  What proof do you offer that the Sunday morning soundbyte heard around the world was a normal occurance for 20 years?

While I believe Wright's opinions to be wrong, I find it difficult to link it to Obama.  I doubt very seriously that he would have the congregation he does if all he spoke on is hate.  Hopefully you agree or you really do believe that Blacks hate whites pretty uniformly.

Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top

Yes, cg, thanks for asking. I'm healing, (albeit slowly) and have a way to go with physical therapy, having lost a good deal of flexibility in my right wrist. Other than that, I'm just hanging in there, waiting for the next thing to go wrong, haha.

 

Good to hear you are doing better.

Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
Black people x.

White people x.

As soon as you make a statement, you're wrong. Because not ALL blacks hate ALL whites, some hate MOST whites, some whites hate MOST blacks, etc.

The real question is, can a black person get away with hating white people just because they're white? Can a white person get away with hating black people just because they're black?

I think this church itself is still getting away with it, even if Obama can't. Mention you belong to it to your black interviewer and you'll still get the job. But a white person mentioning he's a KKK member to his white interviewer will not get the job. You can't put on your resume that you helped run the Klan's adopt a child program. Or maybe you can. I just don't feel like I could hate black people for no reason and be accepted anywhere outside of a racist group.
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Reply #48 from Stardock Forums Top

You should go to a particular church because they best represent what you believe. And for 20 years we can now see quite clealy where Obama has aligned himself.


Don't you think that's part of the problem? If we follow that, blacks and whites will never go to church together.  KFC, I assume you believe the Bible.  Isn't church for the fellowship and gathering of believers?

Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
Isn't church for the fellowship and gathering of believers?


On rare occasions. But it's the exception, not the rule, in my experience.
Reply #50 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Jythier, reply 55
Black people x.White people x.As soon as you make a statement, you're wrong. Because not ALL blacks hate ALL whites, some hate MOST whites, some whites hate MOST blacks, etc. The real question is, can a black person get away with hating white people just because they're white? Can a white person get away with hating black people just because they're black?I think this church itself is still getting away with it, even if Obama can't. Mention you belong to it to your black interviewer and you'll still get the job. But a white person mentioning he's a KKK member to his white interviewer will not get the job. You can't put on your resume that you helped run the Klan's adopt a child program. Or maybe you can. I just don't feel like I could hate black people for no reason and be accepted anywhere outside of a racist group.

terrific point! you are evolving into quite a debater!